Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

Ha, Tell that to OKC. And we pretty much just guaranteed that we aren't even getting a top 5 pick next year now, and probably going to have our pick taken by the Bulls and end up with no 1st round pick at all. I hope you think getting this waste of space a job here is worth it. Absolutely worst hire at the worst time by no other than the worst owner in the history of the NBA.

OKC never tanked. Shame on Jordan for getting a player who can help the team.

You're being way too nearsighted. When you're doing a rebuild you always have to look ahead at the next draft and make decisions accordingly. If we weren't the Bobcats you could maybe bank off grabbing a good FA but unfortunately without overpaying, no one would come here. Al Jefferson will never be worth not having a 1st round pick next year.

Why wouldn't we have a first rounder? If were close to losing our pick you can guarantee that the entire starting 5 will miss the last 10 games of the season. Were still going to be pretty bad.

[Stun704]

Raps fan here, would you guys consider this trade?

Bobcats Get:

Rudy Gay
Kyle Lowry
Knicks 2nd round pick (most likely both)

Raptors Get:

MKG
Gordon
Sessions
Future 1st

F*ck outta here.. theres nobody on the raptors that the bobcats want now that we have Zeller

[JustWin]

Raps fan here, would you guys consider this trade?

Bobcats Get:

Rudy Gay
Kyle Lowry
Knicks 2nd round pick (most likely both)

Raptors Get:

MKG
Gordon
Sessions
Future 1st

Take out Lowry, MKG and future 1st and we can talk turkey.

Lmfao

[Red Larrivee]

You're being way too nearsighted. When you're doing a rebuild you always have to look ahead at the next draft and make decisions accordingly. If we weren't the Bobcats you could maybe bank off grabbing a good FA but unfortunately without overpaying, no one would come here. Al Jefferson will never be worth not having a 1st round pick next year.

There's no move that you can make today or next month that guarantees the Bobcats will be in the top-3 of next year's draft. This isn't an opinion, but fact.

The Wizards went 15-36 before the all-star break and 14-17 after, and leaped into the top 3 over the Bobcats. The Bobcats were tied for the worst record in the league before the last game of the season. They got the 2nd worst record and fell out the top-3. How long was that losing streak before it ended in Chicago?

[Rich4114]

Maybe there's a chance that even though we signed Al, the team still tanks? I mean, it's another new coach in another new system and we still have no depth or scoring. I don't think this makes us that much better without another weapon or two.

[Snidely FC]

Logander, I don't like the deal either. However, Big Al is coming. Nothing we can do about it. So, I'm putting these tidbits I've posted earlier in the thread in one post so that you can read them together a couple of times. Al Jefferson's a pretty darn good basketball player. We're getting him for 2 or 3 yrs at prime age. Now's your chance to appreciate him in a Bobcats uni, instead of cringing while watching him confound Biz again. Cheers, old fellow. Have a drink and enjoy the show.

Did you know that Al Jefferson averaged the same # of rebounds per game as Kenneth Faried this year. 9.2/game?
That ranked him #14 rebounder in NBA, and the #10 Center, ahead of Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert & Chris Bosh.

Did you know that Al Jefferson averaged more blocks per game than Kendrick Perkins, Omar Asik, Al Horford, Emeka Okafor, DeMarcus Cousins & Gerg Monroe?

Did you also know that Al Jefferson had more double doubles last year than Joakiim Noah, DeMarcus Cousins, Omar Asik, Nikola Pekovic, Roy Hibbert, Tyson Chandler, Kevin Garnett, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh & Brook Lopez?

[Logander]

You're being way too nearsighted. When you're doing a rebuild you always have to look ahead at the next draft and make decisions accordingly. If we weren't the Bobcats you could maybe bank off grabbing a good FA but unfortunately without overpaying, no one would come here. Al Jefferson will never be worth not having a 1st round pick next year.

There's no move that you can make today or next month that guarantees the Bobcats will be in the top-3 of next year's draft. This isn't an opinion, but fact.

The Wizards went 15-36 before the all-star break and 14-17 after, and leaped into the top 3 over the Bobcats. The Bobcats were tied for the worst record in the league before the last game of the season. They got the 2nd worst record and fell out the top-3. How long was that losing streak before it ended in Chicago?

Yes but if we had the number 1 pick we could only fall to number 2 at worst. At 2 we could, at worst, fall to 5. Id rather have those odds than having an unlikely chance at pulling a Wizards next year and skipping 6 teams.

[RussellandFlow]

Red- Don't waste your time. Some people are steadfast in their belief that this team will not have their 1st rd pick, even though you've presented examples of the past few years when this team finished with the worst or 2nd worst record and still did not get the top pick.


Everyone needs to say this over and over again courtesy of Red : There's no move that you can make today or next month that guarantees the Bobcats will be in the top-3 of next year's draft. This isn't an opinion, but fact.

[Logander]

Logander, I don't like the deal either. However, Big Al is coming. Nothing we can do about it. So, I'm putting these tidbits I've posted earlier in the thread in one post so that you can read them together a couple of times. Al Jefferson's a pretty darn good basketball player. We're getting him for 2 or 3 yrs at prime age. Now's your chance to appreciate him in a Bobcats uni, instead of cringing while watching him confound Biz again. Cheers, old fellow. Have a drink and enjoy the show.

Did you know that Al Jefferson averaged the same # of rebounds per game as Kenneth Faried this year. 9.2/game?
That ranked him #14 rebounder in NBA, and the #10 Center, ahead of Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert & Chris Bosh.

Did you know that Al Jefferson averaged more blocks per game than Kendrick Perkins, Omar Asik, Al Horford, Emeka Okafor, DeMarcus Cousins & Gerg Monroe?

Did you also know that Al Jefferson had more double doubles last year than Joakiim Noah, DeMarcus Cousins, Omar Asik, Nikola Pekovic, Roy Hibbert, Tyson Chandler, Kevin Garnett, Marc Gasol, Chris Bosh & Brook Lopez?

Yeah you're right. Thanks man.

[Red Larrivee]

Yes but if we had the number 1 pick we could only fall to number 2 at worst. At 2 we could, at worst, fall to 5. Id rather have those odds than having an unlikely chance at pulling a Wizards next year and skipping 6 teams.

That's not how it works. The team with the worst record has the following odds:

1st: 25%
2nd: 21.5%
3rd: 17.8%
4th: 35.7%

You have the highest odds of not falling out the top 3, but you also have the highest probability to get the 4th pick. Who knows what could happen. Did you predict the Bulls to win the lottery in 2008 with a 1.7% chance of getting the 1st pick?

You can't build around ping pong balls.

[ohara]

Terms are good. Not as high a number as he wanted, and the term is limited. Cho did a good job.

[Rich4114]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery

Look at the teams who have won the #1 pick in the past. It's rarely the worst team.

Since 1995 (worst records who won lotto):

5th
2nd
3rd
3rd
3rd
7th
3rd
5th
T-Worst
Worst
6th
5th
6th
9th
2nd
5th
8th
3rd
3rd

Worst: 2
2nd: 2
3rd: 6
4th: 0
5th: 4
6th: 1
7th: 1
8th: 1
9th: 1
10th: 0
11th: 0
12th: 0
13th: 0
14th: 0

Sounds like we want to finish 3rd.

Also, there's always a chance for #2 or #3 which in this upcoming draft might be just as much of an impact.

[Logander]

Yes but if we had the number 1 pick we could only fall to number 2 at worst. At 2 we could, at worst, fall to 5. Id rather have those odds than having an unlikely chance at pulling a Wizards next year and skipping 6 teams.

That's not how it works. The team with the worst record has the following odds:

1st: 25%
2nd: 21.5%
3rd: 17.8%
4th: 35.7%

You have the highest odds of not falling out the top 3, but you also have the highest probability to get the 4th pick. Who knows what could happen. Did you predict the Bulls to win the lottery in 2008 with a 1.7% chance of getting the 1st pick?

You can't build around ping pong balls.

I'm done with this discussion, I understand everything you're saying, it makes complete sense, however I disagree with the decision of bringing in Al. As Sindley pointed out, no amount of complaining will take Al off the team, well just see how it goes and it'll sort itself out. I appreciate the food for thought on the subject though.

[Ozymandias]

Well it's pretty telling that the Bobcats have NEVER moved up in the draft lottery in this franchise's entire existence. They've either stayed put or fallen back. So you can't really blame fans for wanting to tank given this organization's history of bad luck. The law of averages has to work in our favor sometime, right?

[hotrod]

So you guys think signing Jefferson makes us a playoff team?

[Rich4114]

I think we're like somewhere between 3rd and 6th worst team in the league. No play offs. This signing would be great once we secured a top 3 pick in 2014.

[AttitudeAjusta]

Tyrus and McBob are officially no longer Bobcats/Hornets after this signing as well.

Thomas is gone, Williams is gone, Mullens is gone. That might leave enough room to sign McRoberts assuming as sign Henderson. Remains to be seen.

I really hope through all of this, we keep Dayman/McBob. Such a great pickup that contributed immediately on both ends. Great chemistry and his superior passing skills definitely helped the offense flow better.

It's funny we got this guy; my buddy and I would always play NBA2K9/10 and build our own teams via draft, and I swear the Bobcats would ALWAYS - 9/10 times choose Al Jefferson with their pick and we actually end up getting him in real life. **** is hilarious.

I'm okay with the signing and it will be nice for once, to have a good center that can score down low. I don't think he's good enough to take us out of the running for a top pick. Every player has their flaws in different, varying degrees, but hopefully with good coaching (Ewing), he can overcome some of those and his better traits will become more evident. He's too old to be with us all the way, so I hope Zeller bulks up a little and learns some things from Al

[BlackOutBuzz]

If you're holding out for a top-3 pick, that's not a plan, it's a hope.

I hope you think getting this waste of space a job here is worth it.

Of course he likes it, he's a Bulls fan

Everyone needs to say this over and over again courtesy of Red : There's no move that you can make today or next month that guarantees the Bobcats will be in the top-3 of next year's draft. This isn't an opinion, but fact.

Of course we know that, we've been at the bottom of the league for two years running so we know how it works. You can't guarantee top 3, but you can guarantee yourself top 4 or like this year top 5. We suffered through the worst season ever, sucked again for the worst draft in recent memory, and now we're trying to win now that a very strong draft class is coming up? You'll excuse us for being a little upset at today's events...

[James Gatz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery

Look at the teams who have won the #1 pick in the past. It's rarely the worst team.

Since 1995 (worst records who won lotto):

5th
2nd
3rd
3rd
3rd
7th
3rd
5th
T-Worst
Worst
6th
5th
6th
9th
2nd
5th
8th
3rd
3rd

Worst: 2
2nd: 2
3rd: 6
4th: 0
5th: 4
6th: 1
7th: 1
8th: 1
9th: 1
10th: 0
11th: 0
12th: 0
13th: 0
14th: 0

Sounds like we want to finish 3rd.

Also, there's always a chance for #2 or #3 which in this upcoming draft might be just as much of an impact.

If any of you took a basic statistic class you would know previous results have no bearing on future ones.

[Snidely FC]

So you guys think signing Jefferson makes us a playoff team?

Ordinarily I would say no. But the way teams are lining up to fail next year there's no telling what's going to happen.

I hope that this is the year the league recognizes that there's something wrong with team's trying to fail, and does something to change the draft process.