Official Speculation Thread I

[LBPTarHeel27]

why? it's not our money and honestly i've never seen us as a team that worried about spending money either i mean we payed arenas 60 million just to go away. That being said maybe the harsher tax implications in the new CBA may change things but with Vuc only thing i can say is we'll cross that bridge when we get there

What do you mean why??? Our money or DeVos' money it still is a major hit on the Magic's salary cap.. And Yes, Vuc will get a max-deal no doubt about it in my mind.

if he's worth a max deal then pay him, that simple. If he's improved enough to deserve a max deal then pay him if not then don't. There is so much unknown at this point to even worry about this, how do we know if we offer him a fair deal he won't take it? you don't know that at this point, nobody does. IDK i hate talking about these things because it's just speculating about something that's not happening soon where there are so many variables to consider.

You are kind of missing the point...he probably won't be worth the max deal but with guys like Earl Clark and Tiago Splitter getting this ridiculous deals, it does not bode well for the price tag that will come along with Vuc. I really hope he does develop to the point that he DESERVES the deal, but I think either way...he is going to get it.

I know it is a ways down...all I am saying is that it is going to be tough considering these deals being handed out now.

[LBPTarHeel27]

It is going to be frightening when Vuc hits FA...we are going to have to give him a max deal....and I'm not being sarcastic or joking at all.

why? it's not our money and honestly i've never seen us as a team that worried about spending money either i mean we payed arenas 60 million just to go away. That being said maybe the harsher tax implications in the new CBA may change things but with Vuc only thing i can say is we'll cross that bridge when we get there

What do you mean why??? Our money or DeVos' money it still is a major hit on the Magic's salary cap.. And Yes, Vuc will get a max-deal no doubt about it in my mind.

Exactly. It doesn't hurt my wallet but it hurts my favorite team's chance of winning in the future if we have to give him max deal and he isn't worth it. He still has room to grow, and hopefully he will...be regardless, he is gonna get a max deal if he even just stays at the same level he is at now. He is currently twice the player as Earl Clark and tree times the player Splitter is.

[NEM]

It is going to be frightening when Vuc hits FA...we are going to have to give him a max deal....and I'm not being sarcastic or joking at all.

why? it's not our money and honestly i've never seen us as a team that worried about spending money either i mean we payed arenas 60 million just to go away. That being said maybe the harsher tax implications in the new CBA may change things but with Vuc only thing i can say is we'll cross that bridge when we get there

I just don't think he will be worth that max deal. Yes, they are willing to pay players...and I have said before that we are very lucky, as fans, to have ownership that isn't concerned with money. However, just handing out huge deals didn't work in the past, I don't see why it would in the future.

Centers, good ones at that, will always be overpaid because there is not a lot of them out there. Vucevic is highly skilled as an offensive player and while his defense is not the best in the league, he can hold his own on that end. If he was a free agent right now, without any improvements to his game, he would command at least 40/4 on the open market, and IMO we should and we would give him that. If he improves ANY this coming season, he will get the max. Good thing for us is we have him for less than 2 million for 13-14 and 14-15... As well as Tobias and moe... Like someone said earlier, we will cross that bridge when we get there.

Also he will be restricted so we decide his future.

[LBPTarHeel27]

why? it's not our money and honestly i've never seen us as a team that worried about spending money either i mean we payed arenas 60 million just to go away. That being said maybe the harsher tax implications in the new CBA may change things but with Vuc only thing i can say is we'll cross that bridge when we get there

I just don't think he will be worth that max deal. Yes, they are willing to pay players...and I have said before that we are very lucky, as fans, to have ownership that isn't concerned with money. However, just handing out huge deals didn't work in the past, I don't see why it would in the future.

Centers, good ones at that, will always be overpaid because there is not a lot of them out there. Vucevic is highly skilled as an offensive player and while his defense is not the best in the league, he can hold his own on that end. If he was a free agent right now, without any improvements to his game, he would command at least 40/4 on the open market, and IMO we should and we would give him that. If he improves ANY this coming season, he will get the max. Good thing for us is we have him for less than 2 million for 13-14 and 14-15... As well as Tobias and moe... Like someone said earlier, we will cross that bridge when we get there.

Also he will be restricted so we decide his future.

Splitter got a 4/36 deal...right now, Vuc would command a good bit more.

I agree that if that is what we could get him for (4/40), then that is a no brainer and would be a fair deal. However, I think that is a very modest estimate.

It is very nice to be able to have these guys under a small contract for a couple more seasons. By the time they are headed for FA, we will really know what they are worth. If it were this season, we would be taking a shot in the dark with their contract.

[NEM]

I just don't think he will be worth that max deal. Yes, they are willing to pay players...and I have said before that we are very lucky, as fans, to have ownership that isn't concerned with money. However, just handing out huge deals didn't work in the past, I don't see why it would in the future.

Centers, good ones at that, will always be overpaid because there is not a lot of them out there. Vucevic is highly skilled as an offensive player and while his defense is not the best in the league, he can hold his own on that end. If he was a free agent right now, without any improvements to his game, he would command at least 40/4 on the open market, and IMO we should and we would give him that. If he improves ANY this coming season, he will get the max. Good thing for us is we have him for less than 2 million for 13-14 and 14-15... As well as Tobias and moe... Like someone said earlier, we will cross that bridge when we get there.

Also he will be restricted so we decide his future.

Splitter got a 4/36 deal...right now, Vuc would command a good bit more.

I agree that if that is what we could get him for (4/40), then that is a no brainer and would be a fair deal. However, I think that is a very modest estimate.

It is very nice to be able to have these guys under a small contract for a couple more seasons. By the time they are headed for FA, we will really know what they are worth. If it were this season, we would be taking a shot in the dark with their contract.

I went with the lower end, but his max would be I think 60/5 or something like that because he would have less than 8 years experience, has win no awards, and does not have an all star berth... That's 12 a year. Like I said, you will always have to overpay for a good center, and we wouldn't be overpaying by much. I'd give him that max. He's still 22 and improving rapidly.

[KillMonger]

What do you mean why??? Our money or DeVos' money it still is a major hit on the Magic's salary cap.. And Yes, Vuc will get a max-deal no doubt about it in my mind.

if he's worth a max deal then pay him, that simple. If he's improved enough to deserve a max deal then pay him if not then don't. There is so much unknown at this point to even worry about this, how do we know if we offer him a fair deal he won't take it? you don't know that at this point, nobody does. IDK i hate talking about these things because it's just speculating about something that's not happening soon where there are so many variables to consider.

You are kind of missing the point...he probably won't be worth the max deal but with guys like Earl Clark and Tiago Splitter getting this ridiculous deals, it does not bode well for the price tag that will come along with Vuc. I really hope he does develop to the point that he DESERVES the deal, but I think either way...he is going to get it.

I know it is a ways down...all I am saying is that it is going to be tough considering these deals being handed out now.

There is a lot of unknowns man, we don't know what the CBA is going to do with to the free agent landscape it makes sense that these guys are getting these kind of deals now but i'm not so sure they would have gotten those deals if it was 14-15 off-season or the 15-16. Like i've been saying before i'm hearing that the new CBA implications is going to kill off some of these ridiculous deals that are being handed out. If i'm hearing right New free agents going forward would have to really consider testing the market or taking the extension deal offered from their current teams. If they test the market they might not get money they're looking for, but of course i'm talking about Middle class guys or role players like Earl Clark and Splitter.

Now if i'm understanding what i'm hearing it's meant to curb spending but at the end of the day if the team wants spend the money and take the hit they will, it's all up to ownership. Like i said too many unknowns i mean what if Vuc is the kind of guy that will take less money to keep the team intact? who's to say? you won't know until you get to that point. Speculation is just going to get you all anxious, just go with the flow for now and worry about that when it's time to worry about it. That time imo is not now

[MagicTownBaller]

Giving Earl Clark $4.5M a year for two years and the second year is a team option is overpaying???? Wow at everyone. I honestly thought he'd get a J.J. contract because of how hyped the Lakers made him. That contract is a steal considering if he doesn't work out, they just decline his option for next year. They have a heavy need at the SF and PF, so that's good for Cleveland.

[LBPTarHeel27]

Giving Earl Clark $4.5M a year for two years and the second year is a team option is overpaying???? Wow at everyone. I honestly thought he'd get a J.J. contract because of how hyped the Lakers made him. That contract is a steal considering if he doesn't work out, they just decline his option for next year. They have a heavy need at the SF and PF, so that's good for Cleveland.

I read the Earl Clark deal wrong...you are right. It isn't a bad deal. When I first read it, I thought 9 per year.

[crazytown]

Like how some of these bad teams are improving (Pelicans, Bobcats). Bucks and Suns need to follow suit. Hopefully we can still dump AA & Nelson.

#Tank4Wiggins

[KingRobb02]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 6m

Al Jefferson is heading to Charlotte on three-year deal worth estimated$41 million with opt out after Year 2, sources tell ESPN

i think this gets them a better record than us this year. i think its between philly and us for the worst record now imo.

+ Celtics
Also, if we don't trade away some of our vets we will win 30+ games.

Right now, the only projection I see has us down for 16 wins next year. So there's that. The same article did praise us for rebuilding the right way and hoped we could get rid of baby, Afflalo, turk, and al before the season.

As for the Celtics, I don't see them being terrible. A lineup of Rondo, Bradley, Green, wallace, bass with humphries, marshon, sullinger off the bench is a lot better than us. Plus anything Kelly olynyk and Jordan Crawford give them in scoring is just gravy.

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[The Real Dalic]

^I agree with you on the Celtics thing. I'm not sure how some people think having Rondo, Bradley, Green and Wallace would make them bad.

I disagree with most on us being the worst team though. I think we have the potential to be somewhere between 8 to 12 in this weaker eastern conference at the bottom.

[MagicFan32]

Bobcats signing Al Jefferson is good for us.

Look like magic/hawks/celtics primary tank candidates in the east

[RookieStar]

Teams are pretty active. Surprised we aren't..

I'm not.

well to be honest I would have thought we'd be letting go of our "anchors" in Turk and Al for draft picks or something. That's why Im surprised.

[MagicTownBaller]

We should trade Turk and a second round pick to a team for a second round pick and then trade Al Harrington to a team (LAC anyone) for 2 second round picks! WE WIN!!!

[ralphie9898]

we need to clear AA and BBD off the books this year, so come 2014 we have a core of:

Vuc/KO
Harris/Nicholson
Harkless/Orby
Oladipo/Lamb

plus a couple 2014 1sts (us and Denver/NY).

then, if we draft a PG (Smart/Harrison/etc), we try to sign a big man (DMC). if we draft a big man (Randle/Gordon/etc), we try to sign a PG (Wall). if we draft a wing (Wiggins/Parker/etc) we try to sign BOTH!.

signing guys like Wall won't be easy, as Washington will match everything and anything, but if we've got enough quality trade pieces to send back (like the Hornets are doing currently), we could get a deal done. and with a crafty contract in place, we could potentially offer Wall a max contract with a 2nd year ETO, and 3rd year player option, so if Washington does match - Wall will always be a threat to walk away after a year and sign outright with someone else, forcing Washington's hand in negotiating a s&t with us.

I agree we need to build next year and not do anything this year that jeopardizes our cap space our our draft positioning as there is more than just Wiggins in this coming draft. But we aren't getting Wall. Yes he is a restricted free agent but if you look at articles about the 2014 free agent class they talk about The Miami big three and there possibility for opting out and they talk about teams possibly being able to get Paul George. But I don't see any talk about teams being able to get John Wall. The Wizards can match anything anyone can offer and they aren't going to surrender their cornerstone future PG in a sign and trade unless you give them something equal like lets say Andrew Wiggins or another superstar. You are dreaming if you think we have a shot at Wall.

[ralphie9898]

Earl Clark heading to Cleveland on a 9 million dollar deal.

It is going to be frightening when Vuc hits FA...we are going to have to give him a max deal....and I'm not being sarcastic or joking at all.

I don't know about a max deal at this point. He is a good center but I think he is more in line for a Roy Hibbert like deal in the 10-15 mill range. A max deal like Howard is unlikely. Plus I am not sure but since he doesn't have that much time in the NBA and would be coming off his rookie deal I believe that he isn't eligible for that kind of max deal. Not sure on that but it would be wise to strike negotiations before that so that you can possibly resign him for less money rather than wait when it could get more expensive.

[Nemesis21]

Tyreke Evans to the Pelicans for Vazquez and two 2nd rd picks?? Pelicans raped the Kings on that one.

[ralphie9898]

Teams are pretty active. Surprised we aren't..

I'm not.

well to be honest I would have thought we'd be letting go of our "anchors" in Turk and Al for draft picks or something. That's why Im surprised.

I don't think they have much trade value and I doubt a team is going to give us draft picks. I think it much more likely we end up waiving them as their deals are only partially guaranteed so that saves us about 10 mill this and almost twice that next year.

And that can't happen until July 10th until people can actually sign on the dotted line and transactions can actually take place. All that's going on right now is pretty much just a bunch of verbal agreements and we probably haven't seen a story on us waiving them because 1. they aren't a big story and 2. it has already been talked about in stories even before the draft and during the season and thus everyone pretty much expects it to happen. But Hennigan and magic brass have probably already made a decision and will carry it out July 10th. We may get word a day or two earlier but Hennigan keeps a lot of things close to his vest and the Magic don't let out a lot of info so we will see. But expect to see them both waived sometime soon but officially it can't happen until after July 10th.

[ralphie9898]

Tyreke Evans to the Pelicans for Vazquez and two 2nd rd picks?? Pelicans raped the Kings on that one.

yeah I don't know about that. Evans was going to leave so I think Sac did the best they could and got something for him. And they got a solid player in Vazquez and who knows what those 2nd round picks could bring. Probably not anything great but you never know as they could possibly produce a nice role player or two. And don't forget New Orleans also had to let their starting center Robin Lopez go to Portland. so I think Sac made out fine and got something valuable for a guy they were going to probably lose anyway. And New Orleans gave up more than just Vazquez and some picks to get Evans its just that the thing they gave up went to Portland who didn't have to give anything up and now they have a legitimate starting center(not great but he is solid).

[TDJacksonville]

Isiah Thomas anyone?