Big Al's Paint: The Al Jefferson Thread

debo23 · Post #461 » by **debo23** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 8:59 pm

jdm3 wrote:Not only do they only slightly improve our team but it will set back our young guys development years.

How does one of the most polished bigs in the game mentoring young athletic players set them back?

MrBigShot · Post #462 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 8:59 pm

Congrats, that's a good signing for you guys and not a bad price either. Kemba/MKG/Zeller/Jefferson...now you just need a legitimate SG.

Wish my GM would get off his butt and sign someone.

Logander · Post #463 » by **Logander** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:00 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Logander wrote:
KingCat wrote:
This move has pretty much guaranteed us missing out on a top 5 pick in this stellar draft, meaning it's time to start drafting back from say, 8, 9 maybe even 10 (or perhaps we wont even have a draft pick next year) and you know how uncommon it is to find a franchise player that far in the draft?

Also pretty soon we will have to give up our pick to Chicago, and it would have been pretty ideal to start pushing for the playoffs, and giving up our pick after we get our star. Why Cho and co. decided to end the tank right before this spectacular draft, I will never know.

Some may try to argue that we wont be a treadmill team because Biz, Kemba, and MKG are not close to reaching their ceiling, but lets be realistic, non of them will ever be good enough to be our franchise player, and carry our team to a title. This signing is just a horrible move.

You and I are on the same page. I don't think people understand what a rebuild is honestly. It takes more than 3 years to turn a team around when your only way of obtaining talent is through the draft. We aren't the Celtics or Bulls, etc and cannot sign great players like they can. Unless we sign a player to a ridiculous contract (Al Jefferson). I just don't understand why the BOOBcats picked this year to end a rebuild, with the best draft in 4 years ahead of us. I honestly can't wrap my head around it. **** like this is why we're always going to be the laughing stock of the NBA world.

Your average fan does not understand what it takes to try and build a winner. We caved to pressure and yelled we are fine with mediocrity. They heard people say we want to win not understanding a few down years is fine as long as you have a plan and stick to it. Now we have wasted the plan and we might as well have kept the guys we had and made a run or two at the lowest playoff seed. We are now a mediocre team with 0 direction. What a giant FAIL this offseason this has been.

People also need to realize this wasn't a Cho move. When we hired him he came out and said we will get better through the draft. This is just MJ being a f*cking idiot when it comes to basketball.

Marvel · Post #464 » by **Marvel** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:03 pm

3 years is ok. I'm good with 3 years. Allows Zeller to develop in that time without completely ruining his future.

BeesWax · Post #465 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:04 pm

debo23 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Not only do they only slightly improve our team but it will set back our young guys development years.

How does one of the most polished bigs in the game mentoring young athletic players set them back?

Most polished bigs? This guy has a worse defensive rating than Brook Freaking Lopez. This guy is one of the laziest big men in the game today. He only wants to play offense and could not care less about winning. If he really wanted to win he would get in better shape and try his hand a defending someone. He could end up setting our bigs back hugely due to his poor example.

Ozymandias · Post #466 » by **Ozymandias** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:05 pm

jdm3 wrote:Not only do they only slightly improve our team but it will set back our young guys development years.

I agree. OKC really screwed up Serge Ibaka's development having him play behind Nenad Krstic for a couple seasons.

BeesWax · Post #467 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:05 pm

Logander wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Logander wrote:

You and I are on the same page. I don't think people understand what a rebuild is honestly. It takes more than 3 years to turn a team around when your only way of obtaining talent is through the draft. We aren't the Celtics or Bulls, etc and cannot sign great players like they can. Unless we sign a player to a ridiculous contract (Al Jefferson). I just don't understand why the BOOBcats picked this year to end a rebuild, with the best draft in 4 years ahead of us. I honestly can't wrap my head around it. **** like this is why we're always going to be the laughing stock of the NBA world.

Your average fan does not understand what it takes to try and build a winner. We caved to pressure and yelled we are fine with mediocrity. They heard people say we want to win not understanding a few down years is fine as long as you have a plan and stick to it. Now we have wasted the plan and we might as well have kept the guys we had and made a run or two at the lowest playoff seed. We are now a mediocre team with 0 direction. What a giant FAIL this offseason this has been.

People also need to realize this wasn't a Cho move. When we hired him he came out and said we will get better through the draft. This is just MJ being a f*cking idiot when it comes to basketball.

I think so of it is MJ. The other thing I think hurts us is a fan base that is willing to turn on a team during a rebuild. People do not understand what it takes to build a consistent winner. Sad that people who care about the team and want to see it succeed have to watch this disaster.

BeesWax · Post #468 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:06 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Not only do they only slightly improve our team but it will set back our young guys development years.

I agree. OKC really screwed up Serge Ibaka's development having him play behind Nenad Krstic for a couple seasons.

You are correct because he is further behind offensively now than he would have been if he had been on the court the whole time. Good point.

Logander · Post #469 » by **Logander** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:16 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Logander wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Your average fan does not understand what it takes to try and build a winner. We caved to pressure and yelled we are fine with mediocrity. They heard people say we want to win not understanding a few down years is fine as long as you have a plan and stick to it. Now we have wasted the plan and we might as well have kept the guys we had and made a run or two at the lowest playoff seed. We are now a mediocre team with 0 direction. What a giant FAIL this offseason this has been.

People also need to realize this wasn't a Cho move. When we hired him he came out and said we will get better through the draft. This is just MJ being a f*cking idiot when it comes to basketball.

I think so of it is MJ. The other thing I think hurts us is a fan base that is willing to turn on a team during a rebuild. People do not understand what it takes to build a consistent winner. Sad that people who care about the team and want to see it succeed have to watch this disaster.

They want a short term mediocre fix. I swear its like they are OK with being a mediocre, laughable at best playoff team. We already went through this a few years ago. Its like a never ending cycle. I feel like we have some of the most idiotic fans out there. This isn't including anyone on RealGM, I am talking about most of the clowns on the Facebook pages who talk crap about the Bobcats every single year and actually suggest we draft Lebron James or some all-star player that is a FA. I don't mean to sound pretentious but holy hell these people have no clue what a rebuild is. They need to go hop on the nearest bandwagon and peace out.

therebirth · Post #470 » by **therebirth** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:21 pm

mj doesn't want to be associated with a national joke anymore. Cho can affford to take it slow. He is not being rediclued on a daily basis. Nobody in that organization is except for mj is. Did you see the cats on saturday night live? For his health I think mj had to do this. I don't want to see him have a heart attack at 50.

Ozymandias · Post #471 » by **Ozymandias** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:23 pm

jdm3 wrote:You are correct because he is further behind offensively now than he would have been if he had been on the court the whole time. Good point.

Oh c'mon, you don't really believe that. The Bobcats are not giving up on their young players. Biz will still be featured in the rotation. He'll likely average at least 20 minutes per game. He'll still be practicing and the coaches will continue to help him improve his game. It's not as if they'll force him to rot on the bench.

KembaWalker · Post #472 » by **KembaWalker** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 9:28 pm

I didnt want Jefferson either but some of you are pitifully emo. If we make the playoffs with this roster we'd in no way be a "treadmill" team. Even with aj 75% of our production is gonna come from our youth. If we make the playoffs it will mainly be because of them. Then maybe someone will actually notice our youth for once. A productive big salary with some respected youths and picks could be a good package to net the next super star hitting the market

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Post #473 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 10:19 pm

Welp, time to change the thread title!!

ohara · Post #474 » by **ohara** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 10:25 pm

I applaud MJ. He is spending money on a big time FA. And he is going to have to pay TT even tho he is going to be dumped by amnesty. This just shows he is committed to winning, or at least trying to win. I dont think the idea of trying to lose even computes in his mind. I wonder what he would think if he visited the Bobcat sites like this and saw so many fan being upset that Al will make us win too many games. Even if it is for trying to get ping pong balls. Just think he would shake his head.

Post #475 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 10:26 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Nanogeek wrote:So we've either already given up on Zeller or we've given up on Biyombo. My guess is its probably the latter.

This is the scenario I was worried about and have posted about on here before. The Bobcats have to overpay a player to get them to sign here. We should have traded for players on existing deals. Now we've committed 25% of our cap space to a guy who thinks defense is helping the other team score quickly so you can get back on offense.

AND we've hurt ourselves in the Wiggins/Parker/Randle sweepstakes.

Its almost funny how this franchise seems to always be able to screw itself.

Haven't given up on Biyombo. He can come off the bench to backup the 4 or 5 spot until hes more suited to be an actual starter at the NBA level. Its what he should have been doing the past two years anyway.

Forget playing him off the bench, Biz needs to spend a LOT of time in the D next season.

That would be good for him.

penquin11 · Post #476 » by **penquin11** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 10:49 pm

this is a cho move, I dont understand where the hell people get the idea that MJ runs things....

I hate to see that our fanbase has become scared by any move that makes us a better team. We keep on waiting for the next big draft, the next prospect, and when we pick up a player with any considerable talent it shocks us. Guys, wake up, you dont only win through the draft, you dont get to strike gold on prospects each year, and Al Jefferson is a very good center in this league. If you dont believe me just watch what he did when he played against us.

Lastly, I dont think AJ is going to push us over the hump this year, so chances are we walk away with a good player next year....

LakerLegend · Post #477 » by **LakerLegend** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 11:25 pm

I think this signing was a "we have credibility" signing as much as anything.

Liver_Pooty · Post #478 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 11:27 pm

Way too much obsession with the 2014 draft. Everything is going to be perfectly OK guys, I promise

I mean, God forbid we upgrade our roster to the point where it isn't painful to watch us. We will still have a top 10 pick plus Detroits pick.

Logander · Post #479 » by **Logander** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 11:35 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Way too much obsession with the 2014 draft. Everything is going to be perfectly OK guys, I promise

I mean, God forbid we upgrade our roster to the point where it isn't painful to watch us. We will still have a top 10 pick plus Detroits pick.

Only if Detroit falls out of the top 8... Last year wasn't painful to watch at all. I mean yeah there were about 15 or so games that were absolutely pitiful but for the most part we held with it when playing most of the teams. I just don't want to have this thrown back in our faces and further the laughing stock that is the Boobcats. That would be the icing on the cake for me really if we landed outside the top 10 and ended up getting 0 picks next year. Maybe in a few days I can start to be positive but for now I just cant haha. I need to get a drink or something I think. :lol:

Edit: Also, there's a reason why we're all obsessed with next years draft. Because it could ultimately challenge the 2003 draft as being the best draft in along time. And if you remember we weren't a team so we missed out on that one. Can't miss out on this one, no matter what.

dmutombo321 · Post #480 » by **dmutombo321** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 11:39 pm

No, Jefferson wont push us over the hump into making the playoffs.

But he will push us over the hump of being bad to mediocre. And the bad-to-medicore hump is not one we want to vault the year before a once in a decade type draft.

Signing big Al would have been a fantastic move next summer once we were stocked with a franchise talent from the 2014 draft and prepared to make the jump towards playoff contention. Now, instead of having a shot at the 3-4 coveted players in this draft who are highly probable allstars, we will instead pick around 6 to 11 and have to settle for another role player.

Cho and/or Jordan became impatient and abandoned the blueprint for long term success despite being on the home stretch.

Unless our roster suffers injuries, be prepared for 30-35 meaningless wins next year and be prepared to say goodbye to any chance at wiggins/randall/parker