Which Trio would you prefer?

[nitetrain8603]

And more balance? Are you kidding me?

As a ridiculous oversimplification of the players:

Rose/Deng/Noah = All offense/Offense+Defense/Offense+Defense

Rose/Anthony/Asik = All offense/All offense/ All defense

Of all the arguments, team balance is not in favor of the hypothetical trio.

Since when did Deng become a 2-way player? This isn't 2007 or even 2010 in which he was better than he is now, but still no one who scares you offensively in his best years offensively.

Deng and Noah would only have one guy to pass the ball to since they can't score themselves. As Gordon would say in Batman...THERES ONLY ONE GUY HOLDING THE TRIGGER

[JamesEarlCash]

Spoken like Paxson and JR. Cap be damned.

And more balance? Are you kidding me? Rose can score in that trio and that's it. Deng is declining every year offensively. And for a guy with great defense, he sure as hell gets lit up by LeBron quite often. Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

There is more balance offensively and defensively with that trio, as well as more flexibility to fill out a roster with the trio of Deng, Rose & Jo imo.

Look at New York now. They have Amare and Melo making 45 million between them. The cap is 58. What players do you expect to bring in that will make that team a contender?

Omer is a nice player, but he is still inept offensively.

Carmelo doesn't make his team any better, and whilst he has incredible offensive skills, his brain at times stops him from being as good as he can.

You can confuse me as some that has gone crazy or overvalues our players, but you would be wrong.

I will see you on the GB then...

The issue is Amare is providing almost nothing to the Knicks at that salary and doesn't look like he will ever live up to it again. Assuming Rose is back to Rose, I don't think you need to look that deep into it. You have two monsters and you surround them with the best you can. Simple as that.

[chadrucf]

LOL at attributing offense to Deng.

Deng is universally regarded as a high-caliber 2 way forward. It's his entire identity as a player.

[JamesEarlCash]

LOL at attributing offense to Deng.

Deng is universally regarded as a high-caliber 2 way forward. It's his entire identity as a player.

well his efficiency is universally laughable. Using "identity" based on the past with what we KNOW of what kind of a player he is is dishonest. Deng should not be labeled offensive. You should make Rose Defensive since he does clamp down on who he guards.

[nitetrain8603]

LOL at attributing offense to Deng.

Deng is universally regarded as a high-caliber 2 way forward. It's his entire identity as a player.

By whom? Deng is a guy who does a little of everything(very little of everything on offense), but masters nothing(especially on offense). He's highly regarded defensively, and even then, he gets burned by elite SF's. Toasted.

His best move was his midrange jumper. And that's completely abandoned him now.

[chadrucf]

And more balance? Are you kidding me?

As a ridiculous oversimplification of the players:

Rose/Deng/Noah = All offense/Offense+Defense/Offense+Defense

Rose/Anthony/Asik = All offense/All offense/ All defense

Of all the arguments, team balance is not in favor of the hypothetical trio.

Since when did Deng become a 2-way player? This isn't 2007 or even 2010 in which he was better than he is now, but still no one who scares you offensively in his best years offensively.

Deng and Noah would only have one guy to pass the ball to since they can't score themselves. As Gordon would say in Batman...THERES ONLY ONE GUY HOLDING THE TRIGGER

Deng can't score? Are we only counting isolation scoring or something?

[kingkirk]

The issue is Amare is providing almost nothing to the Knicks at that salary and doesn't look like he will ever live up to it again. Assuming Rose is back to Rose, I don't think you need to look that deep into it. You have two monsters and you surround them with the best you can. Simple as that.

And if Amare returns, they still have 75% of their cap wrapped up into 2 players, both of whom don't fit together.

I question if Rose and Melo would fit together.

I see where this thread is headed. Its going down the path of the Noah/Deng for Melo trade nonsense that we seemingly do every few months, but the OP asked a question, i answered.

If the game was 3 on 3, i'd take Rose, Melo & Asik.

Obviously, the game isn't 3 on 3, and i feel you get more versatility and flexibility across the entire roster by not having 2 guys eating up 75% of your cap space.

Its not that farfetched or bizarre to apply this logic.

[JamesEarlCash]

The issue is Amare is providing almost nothing to the Knicks at that salary and doesn't look like he will ever live up to it again. Assuming Rose is back to Rose, I don't think you need to look that deep into it. You have two monsters and you surround them with the best you can. Simple as that.

And if Amare returns, they still have 75% of their cap wrapped up into 2 players, both of whom don't fit together.

I question if Rose and Melo would fit together.

I see where this thread is headed. Its going down the path of the Noah/Deng for Melo trade nonsense that we seemingly do every few months, but the OP asked a question, i answered.

If the game was 3 on 3, i'd take Rose, Melo & Asik.

Obviously, the game isn't 3 on 3, and i feel you get more versatility and flexibility across the entire roster by not having 2 guys eating up 75% of your cap space.

Its not that farfetched or bizarre to apply this logic.

If the Knicks were able to be as successful as they were with 75% of their salary (which is false if you do the math) on two players and one of them contributing nothing, then I don't see why the Bulls doing something close to the same with both players playing up to their salaries would be something bad. I mean, we do all think Thibs is an elite coach, right? The Bulls overall are better than the knicks?

[JamesEarlCash]

As a ridiculous oversimplification of the players:

Rose/Deng/Noah = All offense/Offense+Defense/Offense+Defense

Rose/Anthony/Asik = All offense/All offense/ All defense

Of all the arguments, team balance is not in favor of the hypothetical trio.

Since when did Deng become a 2-way player? This isn't 2007 or even 2010 in which he was better than he is now, but still no one who scares you offensively in his best years offensively.

Deng and Noah would only have one guy to pass the ball to since they can't score themselves. As Gordon would say in Batman...THERES ONLY ONE GUY HOLDING THE TRIGGER

Deng can't score? Are we only counting isolation scoring or something?

Deng's efficiency is a joke, his offensive game has been declining, and he looks like my 12 year old sister dribbling the ball.

[chadrucf]

LOL at attributing offense to Deng.

Deng is universally regarded as a high-caliber 2 way forward. It's his entire identity as a player.

well his efficiency is universally laughable. Using "identity" based on the past with what we KNOW of what kind of a player he is is dishonest. Deng should not be labeled offensive. You should make Rose Defensive since he does clamp down on who he guards.

Anthony isn't particularly efficient either. He's the #18 ranked small forward in TS% of guys playing more than 20 minutes a game.

[chadrucf]

Deng's efficiency is a joke, his offensive game has been declining, and he looks like my 12 year old sister dribbling the ball.

Solid, objective analysis there. Nothing to argue with.

[JamesEarlCash]

Deng is universally regarded as a high-caliber 2 way forward. It's his entire identity as a player.

well his efficiency is universally laughable. Using "identity" based on the past with what we KNOW of what kind of a player he is is dishonest. Deng should not be labeled offensive. You should make Rose Defensive since he does clamp down on who he guards.

Anthony isn't particularly efficient either. He's the #18 ranked small forward in TS% of guys playing more than 20 minutes a game.

How about guys with his usage rate? more than 20 minutes a game LOL 90% of those guys probably barely touch the ball let alone take contested shots.

[JamesEarlCash]

Deng's efficiency is a joke, his offensive game has been declining, and he looks like my 12 year old sister dribbling the ball.

Solid, objective analysis there. Nothing to argue with.

Am I lying? Outside of the 3rd sentence which is an exaggeration, I am stating facts. Anyone calling Deng an offensive player forfeits their right to have their basketball opinion respected. Either that or they are a complete homer. Maybe not even a homer you want to call rose ALL OFFENSE on top of that to make it an even more obviously biased analysis of Deng's game.

[kingkirk]

If the Knicks were able to be as successful as they were with 75% of their salary (which is false if you do the math) on two players and one of them contributing nothing, then I don't see why the Bulls doing something close to the same with both players playing up to their salaries would be something bad. I mean, we do all think Thibs is an elite coach, right? The Bulls overall are better than the knicks?

What success have they had with Melo and Amare?

They went as far as we did in these playoffs, and we were playing without Rose and with injuries all over the place.

If Melo is such a great player, why didn't he at least get the Knicks to the ECF and challenge the Heat if they have had some success and have built a quality roster?

Carmelo has proven nothing positive in the playoffs at this point in his career.

His playing style, his contract and the team that is required around is not conducive for deep playoff basketball.

[chadrucf]

How about guys with his usage rate? more than 20 minutes a game LOL 90% of those guys probably barely touch the ball let alone take contested shots.

Anthony had the highest usage rate in the league last year.

[chadrucf]

you want to call rose ALL OFFENSE on top of that to make it an even more obviously biased analysis of Deng's game.

The oversimplification of Rose has nothing to do with Deng.

[chadrucf]

Anyone calling Deng an offensive player forfeits their right to have their basketball opinion respected.

Deng is the 9th highest scoring small forward in the league at 14 points per game. It is on below average efficiency, but to ignore his scoring is strange.

[JamesEarlCash]

If the Knicks were able to be as successful as they were with 75% of their salary (which is false if you do the math) on two players and one of them contributing nothing, then I don't see why the Bulls doing something close to the same with both players playing up to their salaries would be something bad. I mean, we do all think Thibs is an elite coach, right? The Bulls overall are better than the knicks?

What success have they had with Melo and Amare?

They went as far as we did in these playoffs, and we were playing without Rose and with injuries all over the place.

If Melo is such a great player, why didn't he at least get the Knicks to the ECF and challenge the Heat if they have had some success and have built a quality roster?

Carmelo has proven nothing positive in the playoffs at this point in his career.

His playing style, his contract and the team that is required around is not conducive for deep playoff basketball.

We just established Amare has had zero contribution with his 21 mil salary. Rose will not have zero contribution.
They went as far as we did. Would you agree the Pacers are WAY better than the Nets and we barely squeaked by them? Lets not be simple. The argument is Melo on the Bulls with Asik compared to the current guys. It's not about a cokpletely different team with a completely different coach and a completely different supporting cast. JR Smith was very, very bad and they relied on him for offense as much as they did Melo. Kidd literally didn't score for I believe a record consecutive games. Again, not that simple.

It's cut and dry. Melo with Rose and Asik under Thibs on the Bulls or the current trio?

[kingkirk]

It's cut and dry. Melo with Rose and Asik under Thibs on the Bulls or the current trio?

I've already answered this question, and despite your best efforts, you have not changed my opinion.

[bullsnewdynasty]

Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

This.

Seriously, Carmelo Anthony led the league in scoring this year. Some people either have amnesia or are officially out of their mind.

28.7 pts/6.9 reb/44.9% fg/37.9% 3's
10.1 pts/11.7 reb/54.1% fg

vs.

16.5 pts/6.3 reb/42.6% fg/32.2% 3's
11.9 pts/11.1 reb/1.1 bpg/48.1% fg

In before Noah's passing Deng's intangibles glue blah blah blah. The fact that people would turn down the opportunity to pair 2 guys who can go off for 30 on any given night along with a 7 foot defensive monster to protect the rim is unbelievable to me.