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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#261 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jul 5, 2013 5:49 pm

DCZards wrote:Like this from the Grantland article:

"Almost every core Wiz lineup featuring Webster at small forward had a positive scoring margin, and the Wizards blew the league away with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Webster on the floor together."


If not for his injuries, I think the Wizards could have almost considered Webster a worthy starter and drafted a PF or C instead of drafting Otto at SF. I have a hard time imagining Porter coming in and being better right away that Webster.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#262 » by nuposse04 » Fri Jul 5, 2013 6:55 pm

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DCZards wrote:Like this from the Grantland article:

"Almost every core Wiz lineup featuring Webster at small forward had a positive scoring margin, and the Wizards blew the league away with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Webster on the floor together."


If not for his injuries, I think the Wizards could have almost considered Webster a worthy starter and drafted a PF or C instead of drafting Otto at SF. I have a hard time imagining Porter coming in and being better right away that Webster.


I might be in a minority...but I really believe Porter can add some weight while still being able to be useful at the 3 and giving spot minutes as a stretch 4. I think by mid point in the season our end game front court should have webster/porter playing and whoever of Okafor/nene is having a better night. I'd be surprised if Porter came out to be a 40% 3 pt shooter early on but I think he'll be pushed by Beal to become a better marksmen, as well as Webster. Most of all, hopefully some of it rubs off on Wall :P
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#263 » by doclinkin » Fri Jul 5, 2013 7:55 pm

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DCZards wrote:Like this from the Grantland article:

"Almost every core Wiz lineup featuring Webster at small forward had a positive scoring margin, and the Wizards blew the league away with John Wall, Bradley Beal, and Webster on the floor together."


If not for his injuries, I think the Wizards could have almost considered Webster a worthy starter and drafted a PF or C instead of drafting Otto at SF. I have a hard time imagining Porter coming in and being better right away that Webster.


I might be in a minority...but I really believe Porter can add some weight while still being able to be useful at the 3 and giving spot minutes as a stretch 4. I think by mid point in the season our end game front court should have webster/porter playing and whoever of Okafor/nene is having a better night. I'd be surprised if Porter came out to be a 40% 3 pt shooter early on but I think he'll be pushed by Beal to become a better marksmen, as well as Webster. Most of all, hopefully some of it rubs off on Wall :P


I'll be even nuttier and say, as I've said before, I think Porter can run as a 2-guard in some sets, in the mode of a Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller, neither of whom had to attack and break down their man off the dribble much but knew hos to use the advantage of a slim frame to cut tightly past their screens to get open.

Wittman occasionally uses some of Flips sets that do utilize down screens and motion to spring a player, while Nene and Wall are playing a two man game (setting up for Pick and Roll, Pick and Pop) I can see Opie running baseline past an Okafor/Booker screen (dig your grave after taking that hit) to spring free for a three on Nene's skip pass. Post Webster in the corner to keep another option open and pick your poison.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#264 » by Ruzious » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:30 am

I'm with the majority here - it's nice to have him back, but why rush to sign him at the highest possible price he could get? That's Econ sub 101. It reeks of amateurism from management. And with all due apologies for the crowd who's thinking how do you KNOWWWW that he couldn't have gotten more, :naaa: I think it's pretty obvious, 3/10 would have made sense if you want to make an early offer. Eventually, you settle at 3/12 at the most. No, it's not going to break the bank and won't likely stop them from accomplishing great things, but it is stupid and annoying (yeah I know - like my posts). The Wiz certainly didn't need him, so they rushed to pay top money for him... ..... Anyway, they could, have, and will do stupidlier things - that's the best I can do for glass half filled.

The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#265 » by Kanyewest » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:50 am

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Kanyewest wrote:Hopefully the Webster deal comes with a discount to John Wall taking less than max since Wall did want Webster back.


I have a hard time believing their will be a correlation...


I agree it isn't likely but it could happen. Arenas, for instance, left a few million dollars in good will for the Wizards when he resigned; possibly since he lobbied for the Wizards to resign Stevenson and Jamison. Although Wall cannot resign for nearly as much Arenas did- and may want 60 mil over 4 years and 80 mil over 5 years based on his interviews.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#266 » by Liverbird » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:50 am

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nuposse04 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
If not for his injuries, I think the Wizards could have almost considered Webster a worthy starter and drafted a PF or C instead of drafting Otto at SF. I have a hard time imagining Porter coming in and being better right away that Webster.


I might be in a minority...but I really believe Porter can add some weight while still being able to be useful at the 3 and giving spot minutes as a stretch 4. I think by mid point in the season our end game front court should have webster/porter playing and whoever of Okafor/nene is having a better night. I'd be surprised if Porter came out to be a 40% 3 pt shooter early on but I think he'll be pushed by Beal to become a better marksmen, as well as Webster. Most of all, hopefully some of it rubs off on Wall :P


I'll be even nuttier and say, as I've said before, I think Porter can run as a 2-guard in some sets, in the mode of a Rip Hamilton or Reggie Miller, neither of whom had to attack and break down their man off the dribble much but knew hos to use the advantage of a slim frame to cut tightly past their screens to get open.

Wittman occasionally uses some of Flips sets that do utilize down screens and motion to spring a player, while Nene and Wall are playing a two man game (setting up for Pick and Roll, Pick and Pop) I can see Opie running baseline past an Okafor/Booker screen (dig your grave after taking that hit) to spring free for a three on Nene's skip pass. Post Webster in the corner to keep another option open and pick your poison.


CCJ - You're right. I don't think Porter starts right away unless he really surprises in camp, but I do think he'll be the starter by the new year.

Doc - That's part of the reason I like Porter's skills on this team. Playing the role you describe, his mid-range game is perfect for this as a 2,3 or heck even a 4. Options...
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Post#267 » by doclinkin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:50 am

Okay re read the thread and no one mentioned a key reason why to pay early and quickly rather than letting him dangle:

John Wall requested that it happen.
The Wizards will embark on a four-game road trip and play 11 of their final 17 games away from the District. But Webster's performance had John Wall (17 points, 11 assists, three steals) looking ahead to the summer, when his teammate, who is averaging a career-high 11.2 points per games and is the second-leading 3-point shooter in the NBA (45.3 percent), will once again be a free agent.

"I already talked to [Wizards owner] Ted [Leonsis] about that one," Wall said. "That's an easy hands down question about trying to get him back here because him being a free agent. There's a lot of people that are going to come after him, especially after the season he had this year and is having."

In the meantime, Webster put himself in the Wizards record book with at least four 3-pointer for the fifth game in a row.

"I would love to be here next year," Webster said. "But this is a business, and we'll see what happens. I'm having an extraordinary time here. The city is great, the fans are great, and my teammates are awesome, freakin' awesome, really freakin' awesome."


Does it mean Wall gives a discount to stick with the team? Probably not, just looking out for a teammate and getting him paid. But it doesn't hurt to do the things that make your franchise PG happy, giving him the tools he needs to succeed-- especially in an era where the LeBrons of the league try to schmooze the competition and recruit oncourt after games.

If instead of allowing them to sucker him away, you build loyalty from the ground up and reward performance and chemistry, maybe you foster a culture and identity, with players wanting to stick with guys whose attitude and effort they admire and enjoy.

Webster's upbeat nature and positive focus as a young veteran goes a long way to say he's harder to replace than simply plugging in your Korver or whatnot. Also, as the Big Fish fail to sign with teams that have cleared out cap room there will be jilted parties with money to spend looking to binge on whatever is left of the free agent market, and we may not get the bargain we might have gotten earlier. Equally significant, not only do we say 'we are committed to you and value you on this team' to Webster, despite drafting a kid at his position. We say that to both John Wall, and the agent they share Dan Fegan. Okay so we can't afford a pick and pop 4 right now, unless we trade Ariza for him. Well fine, we can forge one out of Nene or make Vesely learn that jumper better or something. But don't forget John and Dan, we are loyal to the guys we love, let's hope that the feeling is mutual.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#268 » by dangermouse » Sat Jul 6, 2013 7:58 am

Its good that Wall knows the types of players he needs around him, too. Him knowing a stretch 4 will open lanes for him, signs of his high bball IQ.

Re-upping Webby is just a great move all round.
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Post#269 » by Ruzious » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:00 am

If John Wall is pulling strings of the Wiz management, Wiz management is even worse than I imagined. Just the idea is an insult to players who have actually accomplished something. I've got nothing against John Wall - I'm very glad he's on the Wiz, and of course, it wouldn't be his fault that management would be that inept.
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Post#270 » by doclinkin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 12:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:If John Wall is pulling strings of the Wiz management, Wiz management is even worse than I imagined. Just the idea is an insult to players who have actually accomplished something. I've got nothing against John Wall - I'm very glad he's on the Wiz, and of course, it wouldn't be his fault that management would be that inept.


I've heard this sentiment before and think it's pretty stupid. Can I soften that to 'reflexively narrow-minded'? Nah: stupid.

First of all, specifically in the case of John Wall, for the low opinion of a player that both Flip and Randy have said is the smartest player they have ever coached. Here is a player you have literally built the team around considering he's the longest tenured veteran on the team, and a player who you expect to likely be the best compensated player on the squad if you keep him long enough. Your 'franchise' player, so he goes, so go the Wizards. If any player deserves input it would be this one in particular.

But more broadly, for not taking into account the insights of your lead point guard, a position that often player amounts to a head coach on the floor. John Wall made good comments to this effect:
ME: I keep hearing you talk about being a leader. Leadership is interesting because it’s not really something you can work on in the weight room or on the practice court by yourself.

WALL: See, how I grew up is lead by example. Lead by example is great, but sometimes you have to speak up. And you just have to learn which ways you can talk to certain players. That’s something I was capable of doing when I was at the University of Kentucky, and it’s what I’m doing with the Wizards. I’m learning ways to talk to certain players and certain teammates, and be able to take criticism when they something to me.

ME: So you’re learning which buttons to push with each guy?

WALL: Some people you have to bite your tongue. Some people you can yell at. Some people you just have to talk to on the side. And then you can’t control how some people take it. Especially when you need a person on his game, you don’t want to mess up their rhythm. So you have to know how to talk to them.

ME: And you have to do all that in the middle of an NBA game when everything is sort of frenzied and out of control.

WALL: That’s why point guard is not an easy job. I see why head coaches need their point guards, because you’re basically a second head coach on the court. Your coaches have to be able to trust you, just like your teammates have to be able to trust you to call the right plays and do the right things.


But with an even more widescreen look, basketball is a sport where you play 5 people on the court at a time, each of these players can have a far more significant impact on the outcome of a game than any single player in any other team sport with the exception of the goalie in hockey and the quarterback of an NFL squad. Chemistry is a delicate thing, any business would be shortsighted not to listen to players at all 15 roster spots, throughout the year and on their way out the door in exit interviews. And by all means you would weight more heavily the opinions of the players who carry the heaviest workload.

Recall too that coaches spend far less time with the players than they do with each other. Players hang out in the locker room, join each other for practice, spend leisure time at each others houses, get drunk with each other, steal each others' women, hang out in the offseason, etc etc. You couldn't hire a security agent to get as close access to each others mindset, opinions, attitudes, focus, habits, and so on. It would be a pretty piss poor organization that chose to build itself irrespective of the input of all of it's personnel, from the kid wiping sweat off the floor on up to the crumbs in Ernie's mustache.

Specifically in basketball where we laud the organization of a team like the Spurs, but read where a key reason why they succeed, and why their assistants and players go on to become good front office people and coaches throughout the league is because they open up their decision making processes to input from all people in the organization. This is a key reason why they tend to only hire smart players, they value their input and experience. And the truth is, while John Wall ought to have greater input than the keyboard pecking obsessives sitting in their sweaty underpants reading pixels all offseason, there are a few bloated egos here who are of the opinion that the organization would be run better if they'd also hear input of the legion of volunteer scouts that form a sort of sapient fungal brain colony congealed in the grout of damp little corners of the internet like this here message board. Yes they should listen to John Wall, yes his opinion should matter more than yours. Seems to me a smart organization ought to listen to the opinions of knowledgeable fans as well, if they assigned an employee to sift the wheat from the chaff and weed out the dumber opinions, like, say, yours right here. :clown:
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Post#271 » by closg00 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 12:50 pm

Ruzious wrote:I'm with the majority here - it's nice to have him back, but why rush to sign him at the highest possible price he could get? That's Econ sub 101. It reeks of amateurism from management. And with all due apologies for the crowd who's thinking how do you KNOWWWW that he couldn't have gotten more, :naaa: I think it's pretty obvious, 3/10 would have made sense if you want to make an early offer. Eventually, you settle at 3/12 at the most. No, it's not going to break the bank and won't likely stop them from accomplishing great things, but it is stupid and annoying (yeah I know - like my posts). The Wiz certainly didn't need him, so they rushed to pay top money for him... ..... Anyway, they could, have, and will do stupidlier things - that's the best I can do for glass half filled.

The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.


+1 on all points Ruz, is there any evidence that there was ANY team interested in Webster besides us? I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often. Webster has been injured most of his career, no-need to do a 4-year deal with him. It appears that most of the FA signings have been 2-year deals.

Re: Ariza, you have to think that he will be flipped for a big-man contract.

Glad to have Webster back, but not on a 4-year deal.
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Post#272 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:00 pm

closg00 wrote:I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often.


Jamison and Blatche contracts would be exhibit A & B
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Post#273 » by nate33 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:59 pm

closg00 wrote: is there any evidence that there was ANY team interested in Webster besides us? I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often. Webster has been injured most of his career, no-need to do a 4-year deal with him. It appears that most of the FA signings have been 2-year deals.

Iguadola: 4 years $48M
Evans: 4 years $44M
Mayo: 3 years $24M
Calderon: 4 years $29M
Ginobili: 2 years $14M
K.Martin: 4 years $28M
Redick: 4 years $27M
JR Smith: 4 years $25M
Korver: 4 years $24M (he is 32 years old)
Webster: 4 years $22M (presumably more like 3 years $16M with a $1M buyout)
Budinger: 3 years $16M (coming off a knee injury)
Barnes: 3 years $12M (contender discount)
Belinelli: 2 years $6M (contender discount)
Dunleavy: 2 years $6M (he is 32 and hasn't been a starter for 2 years)

This notion that Webster was overpaid and would have been available for less if we were patient is simply false. Clearly, the price for competent guards has been very high this offseason. There are too many teams with cap room bidding up the value of free agents. Looking at this list, I'd say Webster's contract is one of the better values. Only Martin, Barnes and Dunleavy look like better deals to me. It's notable that Martin and Dunleavy were early signings, as were Budinger and Webster. The recent signings (Mayo, Iggy, Evans, Calderon) seem to be even greater overpayments.

It's also worth noting that Calderon's contract is probably a sign that Jarrett Jack will be out of the MLE price range.
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Post#274 » by doclinkin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:08 pm

Ruzious wrote:The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.


Or, again, could this be actually smart? A conscious decision, to either succeed and if healthy make the playoffs, scare some people, showcase a young fun team able to hang with anybody -OR- if dinged up: allow for a plausible injury-excuse to commit to a tank job in a year where franchise caliber players show up in the top half of the lotto. And maybe land a player who helps us contend for the championship. Because adding pretty good talent in all positions keeps us stuck at pretty good.

What we do have is a dynamic and versatile perimeter arsenal, with multiple backcourt players able to fill 2-3 roles on the floor and hit from range. That means John Wall will always have options to kick out, more room to operate, less of a need to carry the scoring load himself. It also lets us showcase a player or two that we can afford to let go as a deal sweetener if a high value surplus Big somewhere is grumbling and wants to swap himself out.

The Trevor Ariza Expiring Contract is an asset in play, both for the few teams that may actually be trying to contend, as well as any trying to dump salary. We may be able to siphon a Big or a draft pick in this way, even though it looks like the teams who were having a fire sale may have done so already. But with the John Wall effect in play (uptick in 3FG% for players next to him) I think the perceived value of our perimeter players will stay high and we can simply listen to offers.
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Post#275 » by closg00 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:57 pm

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closg00 wrote: is there any evidence that there was ANY team interested in Webster besides us? I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often. Webster has been injured most of his career, no-need to do a 4-year deal with him. It appears that most of the FA signings have been 2-year deals.


Chris Copeland: 2 years $6.1M
Josh McRoberts: 2 years $5.5M
CJ Watson: 2 years $?M
Eric Maynor: 2 years $4M
Earl Clark: 2 years $9M

Belinelli: 2 years $6M (contender discount)
Dunleavy: 2 years $6M (he is 32 and hasn't been a starter for 2 years)
Ginobili: 2 years $14M
Budinger: 3 years $16M (coming off a knee injury)
Barnes: 3 years $12M (contender discount)
Mayo: 3 years $24M
K.Martin: 4 years $28M
Redick: 4 years $27M
JR Smith: 4 years $25M
Korver: 4 years $24M (he is 32 years old)
Webster: 4 years $22M (presumably more like 3 years $16M with a $1M buyout)
Calderon: 4 years $29M
Iguadola: 4 years $48M
Evans: 4 years $44M

This notion that Webster was overpaid and would have been available for less if we were patient is simply false. Clearly, the price for competent guards has been very high this offseason. There are too many teams with cap room bidding up the value of free agents. Looking at this list, I'd say Webster's contract is one of the better values. Only Martin, Barnes and Dunleavy look like better deals to me. It's notable that Martin and Dunleavy were early signings, as were Budinger and Webster. The recent signings (Mayo, Iggy, Evans, Calderon) seem to be even greater overpayments.

It's also worth noting that Calderon's contract is probably a sign that Jarrett Jack will be out of the MLE price range.


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Re: Webster, what is the value of a player who spent a lot of his career injured? Even in his comeback year with the Wizards, Webster finished the year injured. The bottom line is that we are probably quibbling over 1-year and a few million dollars.
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Post#276 » by nate33 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 5:35 pm

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote: is there any evidence that there was ANY team interested in Webster besides us? I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often. Webster has been injured most of his career, no-need to do a 4-year deal with him. It appears that most of the FA signings have been 2-year deals.


Chris Copeland: 2 years $6.1M
Josh McRoberts: 2 years $5.5M
CJ Watson: 2 years $?M
Eric Maynor: 2 years $4M
Earl Clark: 2 years $9M

Belinelli: 2 years $6M (contender discount)
Dunleavy: 2 years $6M (he is 32 and hasn't been a starter for 2 years)
Ginobili: 2 years $14M
Budinger: 3 years $16M (coming off a knee injury)
Barnes: 3 years $12M (contender discount)
Mayo: 3 years $24M
K.Martin: 4 years $28M
Redick: 4 years $27M
JR Smith: 4 years $25M
Korver: 4 years $24M (he is 32 years old)
Webster: 4 years $22M (presumably more like 3 years $16M with a $1M buyout)
Calderon: 4 years $29M
Iguadola: 4 years $48M
Evans: 4 years $44M

This notion that Webster was overpaid and would have been available for less if we were patient is simply false. Clearly, the price for competent guards has been very high this offseason. There are too many teams with cap room bidding up the value of free agents. Looking at this list, I'd say Webster's contract is one of the better values. Only Martin, Barnes and Dunleavy look like better deals to me. It's notable that Martin and Dunleavy were early signings, as were Budinger and Webster. The recent signings (Mayo, Iggy, Evans, Calderon) seem to be even greater overpayments.

It's also worth noting that Calderon's contract is probably a sign that Jarrett Jack will be out of the MLE price range.


Added 5 additional 2-year contracts (bolded)

Re: Webster, what is the value of a player who spent a lot of his career injured? Even in his comeback year with the Wizards, Webster finished the year injured. The bottom line is that we are probably quibbling over 1-year and a few million dollars.

Those guys are all sub-20 mpg backups. Webster is a starter. They're not comparable. Your bolded list of guys should be compared to the Maynor signing.
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Post#277 » by DCsOwn » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:00 pm

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Ruzious wrote:The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.


Or, again, could this be actually smart? A conscious decision, to either succeed and if healthy make the playoffs, scare some people, showcase a young fun team able to hang with anybody -OR- if dinged up: allow for a plausible injury-excuse to commit to a tank job in a year where franchise caliber players show up in the top half of the lotto. And maybe land a player who helps us contend for the championship. Because adding pretty good talent in all positions keeps us stuck at pretty good.

What we do have is a dynamic and versatile perimeter arsenal, with multiple backcourt players able to fill 2-3 roles on the floor and hit from range. That means John Wall will always have options to kick out, more room to operate, less of a need to carry the scoring load himself. It also lets us showcase a player or two that we can afford to let go as a deal sweetener if a high value surplus Big somewhere is grumbling and wants to swap himself out.

The Trevor Ariza Expiring Contract is an asset in play, both for the few teams that may actually be trying to contend, as well as any trying to dump salary. We may be able to siphon a Big or a draft pick in this way, even though it looks like the teams who were having a fire sale may have done so already. But with the John Wall effect in play (uptick in 3FG% for players next to him) I think the perceived value of our perimeter players will stay high and we can simply listen to offers.


This. Im quite content with where we are situated currently. We have loads of young, dynamic perimeter talent featuring one of the most dynamic guards in the league and a future allstar at the two (we've surrounded our explosive, franchise pg thats impossible to keep out of the lane with great shooting from Beal and Webster to Rice and Porter; remember, Rice shot 43% from NBA three point distance over 25 games as a starter in the D League and 39 percent on the season in total. That 39 percent from the NBA line is 5 percentage points better than Crabbe shot for the season at Cal from the college line). We have a pair of capable bigs, we have a few lottery tickets with the potential to perhaps develop into useful players (Seraphin, Booker, Vesely even), we have two expiring, large money contracts coming off the books that can either be kept at lower salaries should we decide that's the best course or moved on from should we decide that more value can be had elsewhere, we have all of our draft picks moving forward etc.

For the first time in many moons we have an enviable collection of young talent, imminent manueverability, our full cache of draft picks AND upside types on the bench. We are very well positioned moving forward.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#278 » by Dat2U » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:20 pm

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closg00 wrote: is there any evidence that there was ANY team interested in Webster besides us? I hate when Ernie bids against himself, he does it often. Webster has been injured most of his career, no-need to do a 4-year deal with him. It appears that most of the FA signings have been 2-year deals.

Iguadola: 4 years $48M
Evans: 4 years $44M
Mayo: 3 years $24M
Calderon: 4 years $29M
Ginobili: 2 years $14M
K.Martin: 4 years $28M
Redick: 4 years $27M
JR Smith: 4 years $25M
Korver: 4 years $24M (he is 32 years old)
Webster: 4 years $22M (presumably more like 3 years $16M with a $1M buyout)
Budinger: 3 years $16M (coming off a knee injury)
Barnes: 3 years $12M (contender discount)
Belinelli: 2 years $6M (contender discount)
Dunleavy: 2 years $6M (he is 32 and hasn't been a starter for 2 years)

This notion that Webster was overpaid and would have been available for less if we were patient is simply false. Clearly, the price for competent guards has been very high this offseason. There are too many teams with cap room bidding up the value of free agents. Looking at this list, I'd say Webster's contract is one of the better values. Only Martin, Barnes and Dunleavy look like better deals to me. It's notable that Martin and Dunleavy were early signings, as were Budinger and Webster. The recent signings (Mayo, Iggy, Evans, Calderon) seem to be even greater overpayments.

It's also worth noting that Calderon's contract is probably a sign that Jarrett Jack will be out of the MLE price range.


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Can confirm Dorell Wright to Portland on two-year, $6 mil deal. No options and all guaranteed. Nice pickup.


I won't argue or dispute your claim that Webster wasn't overpaid. But that doesn't mean resigning him was the smartest or wisest idea considering our roster and Webster's injury history.

Exhibit A... Dorell Wright. A comparable option at SF. Two years on a modest deal. Still fairly young and solid 3 pt shooter.

This is why I was in favor of waiting and not rushing into bad deals the first day or two of free agency. Deals were to be had for the front offices intent on finding them.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#279 » by montestewart » Sat Jul 6, 2013 6:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.

First everyone criticized EG for building an all-offense, no-defense team, so he went out and got nothing but defense-minded players, then suddenly everyone was like, "Where's the scoring?" So he adds nothing but perimeter offense, and now that's not good enough either?

Come on! He can only do one thing at a time, and it sounds like people are expecting him to build a winning team on his own. He's not a miracle worker! All he can do is acquire players, and he has. It's not his fault that they have shown so poorly these last ten years.
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Re: Webster re-ups for 4 years/22 million dollars 

Post#280 » by Ruzious » Sat Jul 6, 2013 7:17 pm

montestewart wrote:
Ruzious wrote:The roster is quite lopsided right now. They drafted 2 perimeter players and have signed 2 perimeter players. They have 1 PF and 1 C. Maybe... it'd be smart to make a move for... at least 1 PF and/or C. Just a thought.

First everyone criticized EG for building an all-offense, no-defense team, so he went out and got nothing but defense-minded players, then suddenly everyone was like, "Where's the scoring?" So he adds nothing but perimeter offense, and now that's not good enough either?

Come on! He can only do one thing at a time, and it sounds like people are expecting him to build a winning team on his own. He's not a miracle worker! All he can do is acquire players, and he has. It's not his fault that they have shown so poorly these last ten years.

Except Webster's not a scorer. He's an open shooter. Anyone with a PER as low as his is not a scorer. I said a month or 2 ago that Dorrell Wright is probably the most similar free agent to Webster, and as Dat pointed out, he got a modest 2 year deal. I'd rather have Earl Clark on the Wiz, and as Closg pointed out - he got 2/9. As I said, it's not a franchise-crushing move by any stretch of the imagination, but they did pay more than they should have considering they didn't need to keep Webster.
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