Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

[BaunceyChillups]

A second 1st round pick in the deep 2014 draft is far better than seeing Iguodala walk for nothing.

[orlando1214]

I always get a kick of recliner GMs.

Yeah me too. Some people think things could be done so easily without even knowing what the trade talks were like. It's like they think just because something works in the trade checker that it can so easily be done in real life, and if it isn't then Henny is an idiot.

[Deezy]

Go back and revisit the trade. Nearly everyone was questioning why we were only able to get AA/Harrington/pick for Iggy. That was horrible value then and the fact that AA has yet to net us a valuable piece, plus the inevitable that we'll have to buy Harrington out...yeah, that's where the skepticism comes into play.

Why do we have to net a valuable piece for Afflalo already? The rebuild isn't over, we don't have to turn all of our assets into something else immediately. We are still planning on sucking next year.

Because Afflalo is not part of our future. Last I checked, we have a glutton of wings, and chances are next year we'll be drafting another piece that further cements his fate.

[sportsrock37]

Harrington's next 2 years are partially guaranteed. He is just going to get cut. I find it interesting you say we are holding our crotch and praying to trade Afflalo.

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

Why do we need the cap space this year? We still have plenty of flexibility with our assets.

[Noonskadoodle]

But you need to compare him to his competitor/peers...the other current GMs in the league. Hennigan did not start with a bare cupboard...he had a ton of assets to work with to get us to this point, and the question is: has he done more with those assets than his peers would have?

My answer to that is, no, not really. It is pure guesswork, absolutely, no doubt about it. But I see only one deal (JJ for Tobes) that he has made that the average GM would not have pulled off. The rest have been either at or below par to what I imagine the more competent GMs in the league would have done (c'mon...ANY GM...well, except Kupchak... would have walked away with nice assets for Dwight...and probably some picks that were actually worth something).

REALLY?...First of all, HE HAD A TON OF ASSETS?...Woah.

You must not be paying attention to the other GMs around the league dishing out questionable contracts left & right & making deals just to make them.

People act like Henny had EVERY single team calling him about Dwight. Dwight made it very clear what teams he was interested in & that handcuffed Henny. He did a damn good job in getting the pieces he did from that trade.

Like I said all you gotta do is check the GB & all the other fans praising the job Henny has done....That should tell you something.

Morey (Rockets) & Henny have received the MOST praise in terms of the GMs than anybody else on there.

Let's just bring back Otis so we aren't bored, & just watch him make moves left & right & bury us again.

Some people like to complain because they are simply bored....IT'S SATURDAY GO DO SOMETHING!!!

[orlando1214]

Go back and revisit the trade. Nearly everyone was questioning why we were only able to get AA/Harrington/pick for Iggy. That was horrible value then and the fact that AA has yet to net us a valuable piece, plus the inevitable that we'll have to buy Harrington out...yeah, that's where the skepticism comes into play.

Why do we have to net a valuable piece for Afflalo already? The rebuild isn't over, we don't have to turn all of our assets into something else immediately. We are still planning on sucking next year.

Because Afflalo is not part of our future. Last I checked, we have a glutton of wings, and chances are next year we'll be drafting another piece that further cements his fate.

But does that mean the Magic have to trade him just to trade him? We have no clue what teams are offering, maybe it's good to wait for a little while. I want our young guys to play and for AA to be traded just like everybody, but I don't think having him around those young guys is a bad thing, and I also don't want him to be moved just for the hell of it. Also, it's still really early into the offseason, maybe Hennigan is simply waiting for things to calm down in free agency because then teams will be more open to making a deal and filling a need of theirs.

[InFlames]

Harrington's next 2 years are partially guaranteed. He is just going to get cut. I find it interesting you say we are holding our crotch and praying to trade Afflalo.

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

Why does cap space matter when we don't have plans to use it? Rob obviously doesn't care about whatever potential savings we could have had with Iggy. He wanted Afflalo who has value, a pick, and to make sure we got worse.

[Neon1]

Harrington's next 2 years are partially guaranteed. He is just going to get cut. I find it interesting you say we are holding our crotch and praying to trade Afflalo.

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

Why do we need the cap space this year? We still have plenty of flexibility with our assets.

We blocked it for MULTIPLE YEARS. You guys are extremely short sighted.

Having 11-12 million dollars of EXTRA cap space could be the difference in us being able to comfortably re-sign our guys like Tobias/Vucevic AND adding a premier FA, Instead of having to let one walk or only be able to re-sign them and then stand pat after that.

Afflalo and a late 1st is not worth all of this in any universe

[sportsrock37]

Go back and revisit the trade. Nearly everyone was questioning why we were only able to get AA/Harrington/pick for Iggy. That was horrible value then and the fact that AA has yet to net us a valuable piece, plus the inevitable that we'll have to buy Harrington out...yeah, that's where the skepticism comes into play.

Why do we have to net a valuable piece for Afflalo already? The rebuild isn't over, we don't have to turn all of our assets into something else immediately. We are still planning on sucking next year.

Because Afflalo is not part of our future. Last I checked, we have a glutton of wings, and chances are next year we'll be drafting another piece that further cements his fate.

That doesn't mean we have to trade him immediately and not get a good trade. Why trade Afflalo off of a season which he shot his worse percentages. Let him see if he can improve his stock early in the year. Oladipo will get eased into his minutes early in the season with or without Afflalo. It's what Jacque did with Harkless. Harkless and Harris will still get their minutes. Baby is the one that I think we need to get rid of more then Afflalo so that KOQ, Nicholson and Harris get the majority of the PF minutes.

[NickAnderson]

Some of you guys are soooo spoiled. You should be glad about the position we are in right now in only a years time instead of nit picking some "iffy" moves our FO has made.

[Neon1]

A "small" mistake like that could end up causing our very own Harden or Ibaka decision.

I have no idea how people could take throwing away 11-12 million dollars in cap space so lightly.

[trebone]

For what we got out of the Howard deal it was a huge win for us, do people not remember that our hands were completely tied to LaL or Brooklyn??? We didnt have any leverage and what we received was very good compensation for the position Dwight put us in, Henny is not in it for the splashy deal or wow move at thios point because he has a plan in mind to where we can get another top high lotto pick and make moves after the next season or 2

[trebone]

A "small" mistake like that could end up causing our very own Harden or Ibaka decision.

I have no idea how people could take throwing away 11-12 million dollars in cap space so lightly.

because we do not project to be FA players this or even next offseason anyway so whats the big deal having Harrington here who after next year will be a partially guaranteed expiring contract anyway. Would you really rather have AA/Al/protected 1st or nothing in that Iggy left Denver for nothing?

[sportsrock37]

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

Why do we need the cap space this year? We still have plenty of flexibility with our assets.

We blocked it for MULTIPLE YEARS. You guys are extremely short sighted.

Having 11-12 million dollars of EXTRA cap space could be the difference in us being able to comfortably re-sign our guys like Tobias/Vucevic AND adding a premier FA, Instead of having to let one walk or only be able to re-sign them and then stand pat after that.

Afflalo and a late 1st is not worth all of this in any universe

So we need to extend Vucevic, Tobias, Harkless now???? Last I checked Harris and Vucevic's QO is up in the offseason after the 2014-2015 season and Harkless' is the offseason after that. Just because we haven't traded Afflalo yet doesn't mean we aren't going to trade him. We got plenty of time to figure out the cap situation and it really isn't bad at this point. Plus who says Afflalo will be happy on a rebuilding team and will take the player option rather than going to a different team in that same offseason if he's still on our roster.

There's no point rushing into trading Afflalo, we have 2 years to worry about it.

[Diehardmagicfan]

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

Why do we need the cap space this year? We still have plenty of flexibility with our assets.

We blocked it for MULTIPLE YEARS. You guys are extremely short sighted.

Having 11-12 million dollars of EXTRA cap space could be the difference in us being able to comfortably re-sign our guys like Tobias/Vucevic AND adding a premier FA, Instead of having to let one walk or only be able to re-sign them and then stand pat after that.

Afflalo and a late 1st is not worth all of this in any universe

Afflalo does not affect the capspace enough to effect the future. By the time Tobias/Vucevic need to be re-signed we would have plenty of capspace to add a premier FA and resign those two. On top of Afflalo being a nonfactor in the Magic's capspace, he is a possible trade asset and along with him came a 1st round pick that should at least be a solid rotational player at a low salary.

[SEBAS-07]

Harrington's next 2 years are partially guaranteed. He is just going to get cut. I find it interesting you say we are holding our crotch and praying to trade Afflalo.

Look you guys, nobody is saying Henny sucks so far or has done a bad job, but to act as if there hasn't been a single misstep in his learning is just burying your head in the sand.


Harrington is a partial at 3.5 and 3.8 million, and Afflalo is making 7.75.

$7,750,000 - $7,750,000 - $7,937,500
$3,574,300 - $3,804,900

We took on:
+$11,324,300 '13-'14 offseason (right now)
+$11,554,900 '14-'15 next offseason
+ $7,937,500 '15-'16 offseason

This is cap space we gave away just to have Afflalo and a late 1st rounder. We gave away so potentially HUGE cap space that we should be ready to use in a year or two.

To be honest I did not like the trade when it happended; so I don`t know much. Regarding Harrigton and Afflalo inclusion I think it was necessary to create the 17mill TPE. I also doubt Afflalo remains with us the entirety of his contract.

[BaunceyChillups]

Also the cap outlook may change completely based on how the team drafts in 2014. If we get Wiggins or Parker then there's a very good chance we let Tobias walk.

[Neon1]

because we do not project to be FA players this or even next offseason anyway so whats the big deal having Harrington here who after next year will be a partially guaranteed expiring contract anyway. Would you really rather have AA/Al/protected 1st or nothing in that Iggy left Denver for nothing?

It wasn't just Harrington, it was the both of them being on multiyear deals versus letting 12 million dollars expire.
That is A LOT of money. Yes we should have kept Iggy and let him expire (even if it was for nothing but the cap space).

If they had only a year remaining that's different, but that isn't the case here, were talking being short an extra 10-11 million plus dollars during the years when we will need it to re-sign our own and sign new guys.

If he can trade Afflalo for expirings before next offseason, then this is all a moot point, but to brush that off as nothing is just blindly following.

[trebone]

because we do not project to be FA players this or even next offseason anyway so whats the big deal having Harrington here who after next year will be a partially guaranteed expiring contract anyway. Would you really rather have AA/Al/protected 1st or nothing in that Iggy left Denver for nothing?

It wasn't just Harrington, it was the both of them being on multiyear deals versus letting 12 million dollars expire.
That is A LOT of money. Yes we should have kept Iggy and let him expire (even if it was for nothing but the cap space).

If they had only a year remaining that's different, but that isn't the case here, were talking being short an extra 10-11 million plus dollars during the years when we will need it to re-sign our own and sign new guys.

If he can trade Afflalo for expirings before next offseason, then this is all a moot point, but to brush that off as nothing is just blindly following.

Not blindly following, the idea of capspace now with letting Iggy walk in a non issue, we dont have a need for the space now and at absoluet worst case scenario AA is worth an expiring and a 2nd round pick, that is more than we would get for letting Iggy expire. Same with Harrington if he can prove to be healthy a contender would take him at the deadline with the worst case scenario he is cut next year for tax and/or cap savings

[LBPTarHeel27]

because we do not project to be FA players this or even next offseason anyway so whats the big deal having Harrington here who after next year will be a partially guaranteed expiring contract anyway. Would you really rather have AA/Al/protected 1st or nothing in that Iggy left Denver for nothing?

It wasn't just Harrington, it was the both of them being on multiyear deals versus letting 12 million dollars expire.
That is A LOT of money. Yes we should have kept Iggy and let him expire (even if it was for nothing but the cap space).

If they had only a year remaining that's different, but that isn't the case here, were talking being short an extra 10-11 million plus dollars during the years when we will need it to re-sign our own and sign new guys.

If he can trade Afflalo for expirings before next offseason, then this is all a moot point, but to brush that off as nothing is just blindly following.

If it came down to it, trading Afflalo for an expiring contract would be VERY easy to do. If it is the difference between us resigning key guys, Afflalo will be gone very quickly...and I won't be hard to do.

Why would Henny just throw him away right now for future cap space when we can still potentially get real assets for him?

I understand where you are coming from by saying that we added additional cap through the Dwight deal...but Afflalo is still a very good asset to have. We don't need cap room right now...so he isn't hurting us. When it gets to the point that we need cap room, he will easily be moved...or even sooner...just because there might be a good deal on the table. Either way, Afflalo will never restrict this team. He is on a fair contract and would be a great add to any team trying to compete.