Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets?

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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#21 » by MKG35 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:09 pm

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this is **** stupid. if he wasn't asian he wouldn't have been overlooked his entire playing career before linsanity. There you go, yet another way to put it.

Like someone else said, he's Ramon Sesssions.


If he didn't stick out, wasn't special, he wouldn't have been noticed. You know that well enough.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#22 » by msg4k90 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:09 pm

morey had nothing but good things to say about jeremy lin at the end of the season.

“I think people are focusing a little too much about the injury issue late and how that affected his playoff series. He’s the fifth-best pick and roll player in the league and 9th pick and roll in the game. Overall, really helped our offense, set up his teammates very well,” Morey said, defending Lin.


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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#23 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:09 pm

Aaron Hotchner wrote:In my opinion Kyle Lowry would be the perfect PG in the system they're trying to implement with Harden and Howard.


I don't really understand why people seem to think Houston is in dire need of a point guard. Your true "point" is typically whoever your perimeter star is. Harden scored a ton and got 6 APG last year. He IS the point, which is why Lin is expendable. Fine to get someone else who is labeled as a "point guard" who can team well with Harden, but the thing with Lowry has long been that he tends to play more like he's a star than as a secondary scorer looking to facilitate.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#24 » by TheChosen618 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:11 pm

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jamesnamida wrote:Can't shoot or dribble well.
Oh well look at monta Ellis and his numbers post allstar break. Does that change him as a player?

Bad fit with harden and Dwight. They both can't shoot so it's better to have a 3 and D pg with solid handles to space.

Why do people still think they Harden is a horrible shooter? Of course someone's 3pt percentage is gonna drop when you become the focal point of a run n gun team.

If the Rockets can't find a better alternative at PG without giving up assets, I'd be ok with running with Lin. People seem to forget that he's still young and learning.

Not to mention the fact that most of Harden's 3s are actually unassisted. I think the Rockets should consider making Harden play off the ball more because of his shooting ability. They should use him the way the Spurs used Ginobili over the years and have Lin run the PG. I think Lin is a better passer/playmaker/facilitator than Harden is but he isn't as much of a threat to score.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#25 » by XcalibuR » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:15 pm

Harden is pretty much automatic spotting up. Just look at the transition 3's he take, the guy has shooting touch. The problem is he didn't get any chance to do that last year being the focal point of the offence. With Dwight adding another offensive option, its only going to get easier for him. I actually expect Harden's usage to go down and efficiency to get to godly level.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#26 » by KDRE » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:17 pm

As stated he's too high turnover prone and doesn't play off the ball, so if they want to win and can get another major piece he's one of the next ones in line to go
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#27 » by Ice Trae » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:19 pm

Lin is a fine fit, imo. I love how people crucify lin for his turnovers but give harden a pass -_-
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#28 » by Durant Durant » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:21 pm

dolphinatik wrote:Rockets had more success without Lin in the lineup. Its just all about fit right now and they have some ball handlers that fit better right now. Its not up to us to give Lin a chance he still has training camp to proove himself. If he impresses then he has nothing to worry about. Lins job isnt being taken away he is giving it away. Its up to Lin to not let that happen.

Personally Id start Beverley but Im a Beverley fan since his high school ballin in chicago; as soon as I found out he was on the Rockets I tracked his stats then the rest of the world saw him in the playoffs. However its still Lins job to lose.


lol. he played all 82 games.

Beverley played a nice playoff game and he's the next CP3 lmao
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#29 » by Durant Durant » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:23 pm

KDRE wrote:As stated he's too high turnover prone and doesn't play off the ball, so if they want to win and can get another major piece he's one of the next ones in line to go


:lol: good grief did you watch a regular season game at all?
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#30 » by sweet_jesus » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:28 pm

I just think it would be difficult to move Lin. What other teams would be genuinely be interested in him as a starting PG?
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#31 » by NCHeels2008 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:33 pm

I think Lin's last name and ethnicity hurt him when it came to colleges, lets look at the other California 1st team all state members and where they went

James Harden Arizona State
Chase Budinger Arizona
Taylor King Duke
James Keefe UCLA
Tre'von Willis UNLV
Ryan Anderson Cal
Jeremy Lin Harvard

Which school doesn't belong in basketball?
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#32 » by Seralin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:51 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:I think Lin is a better passer/playmaker/facilitator than Harden is but he isn't as much of a threat to score.

I am not sure about the better part, but he is more suited to do those things rather than wait for a pass to shoot.

Lin with Harden case is similar to Lin with Melo case. If there is a better scoring option that demands the ball, his effectiveness drops significantly. But, considering how well Lin performed with bigs that get offensive attention, I am sure he can perform similarly with Dwight.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#33 » by KDRE » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:10 pm

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KDRE wrote:As stated he's too high turnover prone and doesn't play off the ball, so if they want to win and can get another major piece he's one of the next ones in line to go


:lol: good grief did you watch a regular season game at all?


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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#34 » by Johnlac1 » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:20 pm

sweet_jesus wrote:I just think it would be difficult to move Lin. What other teams would be genuinely be interested in him as a starting PG?

As a Bucks fan, I'd love to have him.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#35 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:26 pm

Based Schroeder wrote:Lin is a fine fit, imo. I love how people crucify lin for his turnovers but give harden a pass -_-


Dude his TO% is well above Harden's, and Harden's having to worry about a lot more.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#36 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:30 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:Not to mention the fact that most of Harden's 3s are actually unassisted. I think the Rockets should consider making Harden play off the ball more because of his shooting ability. They should use him the way the Spurs used Ginobili over the years and have Lin run the PG. I think Lin is a better passer/playmaker/facilitator than Harden is but he isn't as much of a threat to score.


This is a possibility, but it's really more about how to handle Harden & Howard together than anything else. If Harden in his ball dominant role is going to underutilize Howard, then they need Harden to be more off ball, and if they do that they should give Lin a shot in more of an on ball role.

The thing is though that when Lin was succeeding in New York, he didn't do it by being a clear pass first guy. He was very ball dominant and shot a good amount. That role would never make sense with Harden on the roster, and it makes even less sense when Lin is meant to be a tertiary threat behind the other two.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#37 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:31 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:As a Bucks fan...


I'm sorry dude. You deserve better than Jennings & Mayo. Lin may indeed be a better team player than those guys.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#38 » by Mr. E » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:33 pm

Houston will adapt their offense to best use Dwight's abilities, so that means we'll see some changes in what we saw last year. I think that Lin will benefit greatly from this, but that said I think that he's judged a bit unfairly this past season based on circumstances.
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#39 » by tsherkin » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:36 pm

2012-2013 AST% / TOV%

Lin: 29.4% / 18.8%
Harden: 25.7% / 14.9%
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Re: Why isn't anyone giving Lin a chance with the Rockets? 

Post#40 » by gamer4Life » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:39 pm

MKG35 wrote:
Vader wrote:It is Lin's skin color and last name. He has been treated this way the whole life. He will deal with it.


If he wasn't Asian there would have never been such a hype about him. There are barely Asians players in the league, finally one has tremendous success with the beautiful story attached and there you go.


There you go, another way to put it.


Except if he were white, he'd be overrated like most white players in the NBA (ie. Rubio), but no one would complain about it.

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