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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#561 » by TyrusRose2425 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:11 am

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TylerB wrote:Uh Hinrich is better than Nate Robinson so....


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I like it when people have nothing to say and no point of view and just dig into positions that are the opposite of reality. There is a reason why Kirk Hinrich has made 60 million dollars in his career and nate has made 20. There is a reason why no one wants Nate Robinson even after some big playoff performances.

Desagna Diop has also made a **** ton of money in his career. Does he rank as one of the better C's on the market then?
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#562 » by dice » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:13 am

TyrusRose2425 wrote:Desagna Diop has also made a **** ton of money in his career. Does he rank as one of the better C's on the market then?

no. which is why he's not getting big offers. and neither, apparently, is nate robinson
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#563 » by HomoSapien » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:16 am

I don't really get the reluctance people have with signing Nate for the minimum. Bringing him back gives us another weapon and more depth. If pairing him with Rose fails, then we can stop using it. If it works, then it brings us another dimension on offense. It's not like signing Nate prevents us from signing someone else. There's no either-or here.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#564 » by kdapiton » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:17 am

It feels as if we're the last team possible that can sign him and he'll sign to. Feels bad man.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#565 » by Tenchi Ryu » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:18 am

dice wrote:and while nate can create offense that kirk can't it would overlap with rose's ability to do the same.

But that's what we want, someone who can copy Rose's ability to create compared to someone who's just waiting to get assisted.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#566 » by HomoSapien » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:18 am

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TylerB wrote:Uh Hinrich is better than Nate Robinson so....


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I like it when people have nothing to say and no point of view and just dig into positions that are the opposite of reality. There is a reason why Kirk Hinrich has made 60 million dollars in his career and nate has made 20. There is a reason why no one wants Nate Robinson even after some big playoff performances.


A big part of it, is that Nate Robinson was drafted by the Knicks and Hinrich was drafted by the Bulls. Nate has since been plagued with the label of being selfish and Kirk has been gotten the label of being hard-working.

Not to take away from Kirk's accomplishments, but what does Kirk's earning based on his past play have to do with today?
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#567 » by dice » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:21 am

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dice wrote:and while nate can create offense that kirk can't it would overlap with rose's ability to do the same.

But that's what we want, someone who can copy Rose's ability to create compared to someone who's just waiting to get assisted.

not at the expense of defense

if we can get nate at the minimum, great. nobody is opposed to that. but if you're expecting to see much of the rose/nate combo you're in for some disappointment (despite more Ws). barring injury, of course, which is obviously a real possibility
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#568 » by TylerB » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:28 am

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I like it when people have nothing to say and no point of view and just dig into positions that are the opposite of reality. There is a reason why Kirk Hinrich has made 60 million dollars in his career and nate has made 20. There is a reason why no one wants Nate Robinson even after some big playoff performances.


A big part of it, is that Nate Robinson was drafted by the Knicks and Hinrich was drafted by the Bulls. Nate has since been plagued with the label of being selfish and Kirk has been gotten the label of being hard-working.

Not to take away from Kirk's accomplishments, but what does Kirk's earning based on his past play have to do with today?


Its an indicator of his ability as an NBA basketball player. Last year Kirk Hinrich got a 2 year 8 million dollar contract and Nate Robinson got nothing, and hes getting nothing again. He is an interesting role player capable of offensive explosions but most of the league sees him as a liability on the court.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#569 » by brentmoney » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:31 am

dice wrote:
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dice wrote:and while nate can create offense that kirk can't it would overlap with rose's ability to do the same.

barring injury, of course, which is obviously a real possibility


big reason i want nate back right there.
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Post#570 » by TylerB » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:33 am

Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#571 » by Polynice4Pippen » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:40 am

TylerB wrote:Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't


If he plays the way he did in the playoffs he will. 2nd unit will need scoring punch, Nate is the best offensive player we would have coming off the bench. And if he has it going offensively in a game, Nate will likely close that particular game out with Derrick and be subbed out for offense/defense situations.
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Post#572 » by patagonia » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:46 am

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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#573 » by dice » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:49 am

Polynice4Pippen wrote:
TylerB wrote:Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't


If he plays the way he did in the playoffs he will. 2nd unit will need scoring punch, Nate is the best offensive player we would have coming off the bench

actually that would be dunleavy now

i could see the occasional nate/kirk/dunleavy lineup, but i'd prefer two of butler/deng/dunleavy to be on the floor at all times
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#574 » by TylerB » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:49 am

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TylerB wrote:Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't


If he plays the way he did in the playoffs he will. 2nd unit will need scoring punch, Nate is the best offensive player we would have coming off the bench. And if he has it going offensively in a game, Nate will likely close that particular game out with Derrick and be subbed out for offense/defense situations.


You mean if he plays like he did game 1 versus Miami and in the 4th quarter of game 4 versus Brooklyn? You said playoffs. You realize he shot 33% from the field against Miami, right?

Nate is the guy you put in, if hes hitting shots you let him go, if hes not hitting shots you yank him immediately.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#575 » by SephCast » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:50 am

Earl Watson signed with the Blazers for the minimum. Potential teams coming off the board.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#576 » by TylerB » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:50 am

Kirk is important because it allows Deng and Butler to not have to play 39 mpg and we still can have two very good wing defenders on the court at all times.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#577 » by patagonia » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:53 am

Still have Mo Williams out there too who I think might be a target before Nate.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#578 » by Polynice4Pippen » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:53 am

dice wrote:
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TylerB wrote:Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't


If he plays the way he did in the playoffs he will. 2nd unit will need scoring punch, Nate is the best offensive player we would have coming off the bench

actually that would be dunleavy now

i could see the occasional nate/kirk/dunleavy lineup, but i'd prefer two of butler/deng/dunleavy to be on the floor at all times


You're depending on Dunleavy to create offense and be a shot creator? Over Nate? Really?
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#579 » by Polynice4Pippen » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:57 am

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TylerB wrote:Everyone wants Nate back at the minimum, no one is saying otherwise. The argument here is that some people think hes going to be getting 20 minutes a night from day 1. He won't


If he plays the way he did in the playoffs he will. 2nd unit will need scoring punch, Nate is the best offensive player we would have coming off the bench. And if he has it going offensively in a game, Nate will likely close that particular game out with Derrick and be subbed out for offense/defense situations.


You mean if he plays like he did game 1 versus Miami and in the 4th quarter of game 4 versus Brooklyn? You said playoffs. You realize he shot 33% from the field against Miami, right?

Nate is the guy you put in, if hes hitting shots you let him go, if hes not hitting shots you yank him immediately.


Nate had about 5 stellar games in the playoffs, particularly in the 4th quarter of those games with the defense keying on him, even being defended by LeBron. I'm referring to that Nate. Only Derrick can match what Nate can do in the clutch offensively when he's on.
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Re: WT- Nate unlikely to be back 

Post#580 » by RedBulls23 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:59 am

patagonia wrote:Still have Mo Williams out there too who I think might be a target before Nate.

We offered nate the vet mini arleady.
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