Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

closg00 · Post #621 » by **closg00** » Thu Jul 4, 2013 8:17 pm

Ok, lets just call him a bust no-matter what position he has played

doclinkin · Post #622 » by **doclinkin** » Fri Jul 5, 2013 11:21 pm

Working so hard!

http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/05 ... ing-drill/

Deeptu McPullup · Post #623 » by **Deeptu McPullup** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:14 am

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
hands11 wrote:
]Go back and read the draft that and early stuff about Ves. They didn't draft him to be a SF. They always know they wanted him to play up front. Yes, he played SF overseas, but that wasn't the plan for him in the NBA.

The Wizards first tried to plug JV in at the SF position. It wasn't until they realized that he had no basketball skills did they try to plug him in at PF and even at Center at-times.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nba/1830/jan-vesely
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jan-Vesely-1402/
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jan-vesely

According to 82games.com, Vesely played zero minutes at SF in his rookie year. That matches my recollection as well. Vesely may have been considered a SF by the sports media because he played SF in Euroleagues, but he was never a SF in the NBA. He doesn't have any of the necessary offensive skills to be a SF. He can't shoot or dribble. It never made sense to play him there.

In addition to the other issues, he's noticeably heavier and slower footed now than he was in Europe when he was guarding guys like Childress and Kleiza.

Knighthonor · Post #624 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 2:00 pm

I feel for the guy. Kind of the wizard's fault. Wasnt he a star in the euro league?

Post #625 » by **montestewart** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 7:13 pm

Knighthonor wrote:I feel for the guy. Kind of the wizard's fault. Wasnt he a star in the euro league?

I don't follow Euro leagues, but I wonder whether "star" is the right term. Regardless, I doubt he's the only player that showed well in Europe but didn't really develop for/adjust to the NBA. Ed Wood surely has an encyclopedic expansion on this.

Knighthonor · Post #626 » by **Knighthonor** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 10:41 pm

montestewart wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:I feel for the guy. Kind of the wizard's fault. Wasnt he a star in the euro league?

I don't follow Euro leagues, but I wonder whether "star" is the right term. Regardless, I doubt he's the only player that showed well in Europe but didn't really develop for/adjust to the NBA. Ed Wood surely has an encyclopedic expansion on this.

But I still want to know how he played the 3 in euro. Aren't you curious?

hands11 · Post #627 » by **hands11** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:31 am

He ran n jumped. And he could defend their small forwards. Not that complicated to understand.

Deeptu McPullup · Post #628 » by **Deeptu McPullup** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 5:25 am

hands11 wrote:He ran n jumped. And he could defend their small forwards. Not that complicated to understand.

That was about it. He worked off the ball almost exclusively with a lot of cutting, posted up little guys and also shot some 3's.

It sounds crazy given his age, but I definitely think he's lost a step. Obviously he's also lost the middling long ball for in-game purposes as well.

Post #629 » by **montestewart** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 5:33 am

Deeptu McPullup wrote:
hands11 wrote:He ran n jumped. And he could defend their small forwards. Not that complicated to understand.

That was about it. He worked off the ball almost exclusively with a lot of cutting, posted up little guys and also shot some 3's.

It sounds crazy given his age, but I definitely think he's lost a step. Obviously he's also lost the middling long ball for in-game purposes as well.

It almost seems like what he was doing as a Euro was his peak, and he is experiencing (possibly permanent) shock over the many quicker and stronger players in the NBA. It seems like a combination of extreme difficulty in competing at this level and a near total loss of confidence. If he could reclaim the latter, he might salvage some sort of career.

zardsfan · Post #630 » by **zardsfan** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 6:10 am

At this point Vesely's best chance at success in the NBA would be for him to tirelessly, and almost exclusively, work on the skill sets needed to become a Stretch 4. Wall has voiced that he believes a Stretch 4 is a big need for the team and Wall seems to have good chemistry with Ves already.

CONFIDENCE in his jumper is the biggest roadblock. It looks like Ves has a decent shooting motion but needs to put a little more legs/lift into his shot. I think he has the skill to pull it down and drive to the hoop for a dunk if his defender closes out on him. He already plays better defense than someone like Antwan Jamison (who has been rumored to be headed back to D.C.)

I would hope that the team and Ves would set this as a clear cut goal for the summer and next season; but at this point, I can't tell if Ves has ANY clear cut goals for his game or WHAT role the team see's him filling.

Dark Faze · Post #631 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:51 pm

I don't understand the stretch 4 thing.

To me, all of his value and potential comes on defense. He has tremendous value if he can bulk up to play strong defense in this league as an elite level PNR defender and weak side defensive presence. Jump out in the lanes and get hands on balls, get out in transition and finish.

If he plays great D and can stay on the floor then the offense is just going to come from hustle. Dunks off of broken plays and offensive boards, transition points, oops, etc.

I'm not saying I wouldn't focus on my jumpshot, but that's not whats going to keep him on the floor.

Post #632 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 3:53 pm

^ Agreed. Birdman in his prime should be Vesely's goal right now.

verbal8 · Post #633 » by **verbal8** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:00 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ Agreed. Birdman in his prime on-court should be Vesely's goal right now.

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Upper Decker · Post #634 » by **Upper Decker** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 4:07 pm

This isn't a perfect comp, but Larry Sanders was pretty bad during his first two seasons, then in his 3rd season he really developed into a good player. Sanders and Vesely had nearly identical PER's during their rookie seasons, however, Vesely clearly regressed in his second season whereas Sanders had a slight uptick, albeit in fewer minutes compared to his rookie year. I've given up hope that Vesely will develop into a well rounded competent big, however, if he can just provide something (cross-fingers). This is a huge summer for Jan. He'll be in Europe or the NBA next year based on how he's improving right now.

Post #635 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jul 9, 2013 5:44 pm

verbal8 wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:^ Agreed. Birdman in his prime on-court should be Vesely's goal right now.

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Yes, Birdman minus being temporarily kicked out of the league. Ridiculous tats are fine, though. LOL

hands11 · Post #636 » by **hands11** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:02 am

Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

Post #637 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:30 pm

The big difference between Vesely and Birdman is that Vesely gets tossed around like a rag doll in the paint. His lower body strength is woefully insufficient to compete at the NBA level. At least Birdman could hold his position as a post defender. Vesely just gets backed down and dunked on. And it seems like no matter how much weight Vesely adds, he still can't hold his position.

mhd · Post #638 » by **mhd** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:48 pm

hands11 wrote:Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

There's zero % chance Ves get's his QO picked up. EG isn't even stupid enough to prevent max cap space next year. Why waste 5 million on Ves?

Post #639 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:53 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ Agreed. Birdman in his prime should be Vesely's goal right now.

Ok, send him to a crappy tattoo artist and the worst hair stylist you can find.

sashae · Post #640 » by **sashae** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:19 pm

mhd wrote:
hands11 wrote:Ves has a 50-50 chance of getting extended at this point.

It all depends on what he does between now and Nov.

There's zero % chance Ves get's his QO picked up. EG isn't even stupid enough to prevent max cap space next year. Why waste 5 million on Ves?

You are familiar with Ernie, right?

Is Jan Vesely a Bust?