Which Trio would you prefer?

[Polynice4Pippen]

Carmelo wouldn't make Rose better? I've now heard it all.

Do you all realize that Carmelo is possibly the most clutch player IN THE ENTIRE NBA? The Bulls would never have a problem scoring in the 4th quarter. LeBron would never be able to guard Rose without leaving Melo on an inferior defender.

But there's a difference between making clutch shots and making sound basketball decisions at the end of games. Carmelo either makes a tough shot or misses one. True superstars get themselves a good look, get a teammate a good look, or get to the free throw line. Carmelo has made many more clutch shots than LeBron, but LeBron makes the right decision at the end of games, Melo just chucks. If Melo made better decisions in the 4th quarter of playoff games as opposed to merely playing hero ball, he'd find himself finally advancing further in postseason.

[Ice the knees]

I think Rose can play with anyone. He's a great point guard. He ran Team USA just fine.

[Godzilla039]

the problem is that melo wouldn't be ripping off his warmups to enter for the first time in the 4th quarter. it's a 48 minute game

Your point?

my point is pretty clear. melo would only be beneficial to rose's game in certain situations. like those you pointed out. and the rest of the time it would be melo doing what melo has always done: taking the ball out of his point guard's hands to go one on one. nothing wrong with that if he's putting the ball in the hole, but too often he isn't. he would need to learn to play off another superstar effectively, which he has yet to do in his career

That's a lie.
2007-2008 Denver nuggets 50-32
Allen Iverson: 26.4 ppg
Melo: 25.7

The following year they reached the WFC while he effectively played with former Finals MVP Chauncy Billups.

[dice]

my point is pretty clear. melo would only be beneficial to rose's game in certain situations. like those you pointed out. and the rest of the time it would be melo doing what melo has always done: taking the ball out of his point guard's hands to go one on one. nothing wrong with that if he's putting the ball in the hole, but too often he isn't. he would need to learn to play off another superstar effectively, which he has yet to do in his career

That's a lie.
2007-2008 Denver nuggets 50-32
Allen Iverson: 26.4 ppg
Melo: 25.7

The following year they reached the WFC while he effectively played with former Finals MVP Chauncy Billups.

billups was never a superstar. and he was only brought in in the first place because the melo-AI experiment didn't work as well as they hoped! they quickly realized it was a road to the same 'good but not great' status year after year that the knicks now find themselves in with melo

"wtf man? we bring in a second superstar scoring machine in AI and only get 50 wins and get slapped silly in the first round? aw HAIL no"

[Hangtime84]

i really hate this thread. Such a basis poll

JordanBulls where you at!

[DRoseCantStop]

i really hate this thread. Such a basis poll

JordanBulls where you at!

JordanBulls always getting the shoutouts lol.

[bullsnewdynasty]

But there's a difference between making clutch shots and making sound basketball decisions at the end of games. Carmelo either makes a tough shot or misses one. True superstars get themselves a good look, get a teammate a good look, or get to the free throw line. Carmelo has made many more clutch shots than LeBron, but LeBron makes the right decision at the end of games, Melo just chucks. If Melo made better decisions in the 4th quarter of playoff games as opposed to merely playing hero ball, he'd find himself finally advancing further in postseason.

So Kobe isn't a true superstar either?

[bullsnewdynasty]

my point is pretty clear. melo would only be beneficial to rose's game in certain situations. like those you pointed out. and the rest of the time it would be melo doing what melo has always done: taking the ball out of his point guard's hands to go one on one. nothing wrong with that if he's putting the ball in the hole, but too often he isn't. he would need to learn to play off another superstar effectively, which he has yet to do in his career

a) Too often he isn't putting the ball in the hole? He led the league in scoring, and scored at a more efficient clip last year than Rose during his MVP season. That's absurd.

b) Who exactly on the Knicks should be getting the ball other than Melo? Taking the ball out of the PG's hands? You act like the Knicks' PG is a Derrick Rose level player. And other than JR Smith, who else on the Knicks is a scorer?

c) If Melo was playing with Rose, the ball would still be in Rose's hands, because he is the PG. It would be his job to distribute the ball. If he defers to Melo and lets him do too much iso, that's on him.

[Polynice4Pippen]

But there's a difference between making clutch shots and making sound basketball decisions at the end of games. Carmelo either makes a tough shot or misses one. True superstars get themselves a good look, get a teammate a good look, or get to the free throw line. Carmelo has made many more clutch shots than LeBron, but LeBron makes the right decision at the end of games, Melo just chucks. If Melo made better decisions in the 4th quarter of playoff games as opposed to merely playing hero ball, he'd find himself finally advancing further in postseason.

So Kobe isn't a true superstar either?

Come on, Kobe is a completely superior all-around player to Carmelo. Kobe at his peak was an elite defender, a far better passer who doubled Melo in assists, and never shot under 40% from the field in the playoffs.

[bullsnewdynasty]

But there's a difference between making clutch shots and making sound basketball decisions at the end of games. Carmelo either makes a tough shot or misses one. True superstars get themselves a good look, get a teammate a good look, or get to the free throw line. Carmelo has made many more clutch shots than LeBron, but LeBron makes the right decision at the end of games, Melo just chucks. If Melo made better decisions in the 4th quarter of playoff games as opposed to merely playing hero ball, he'd find himself finally advancing further in postseason.

So Kobe isn't a true superstar either?

Come on, Kobe is a completely superior all-around player to Carmelo. Kobe at his peak was an elite defender, a far better passer who doubled Melo in assists, and never shot under 40% from the field in the playoffs.

When did Kobe ever pass in the clutch? You're completely changing the argument you just made.

[Polynice4Pippen]

So Kobe isn't a true superstar either?

Come on, Kobe is a completely superior all-around player to Carmelo. Kobe at his peak was an elite defender, a far better passer who doubled Melo in assists, and never shot under 40% from the field in the playoffs.

When did Kobe ever pass in the clutch? You're completely changing the argument you just made.

No one's changing any argument. Kobe DOUBLES Carmelo in assists. When has Kobe ever passed in the clutch? How about right here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOMEmRQ40U[/youtube]

[bullsnewdynasty]

Come on, Kobe is a completely superior all-around player to Carmelo. Kobe at his peak was an elite defender, a far better passer who doubled Melo in assists, and never shot under 40% from the field in the playoffs.

When did Kobe ever pass in the clutch? You're completely changing the argument you just made.

No one's changing any argument. Kobe DOUBLES Carmelo in assists. When has Kobe ever passed in the clutch? How about right here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOMEmRQ40U[/youtube]

Kobe is the definition of hero ball. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Your straw man doesn't change anything.

And the funny thing is that your video just strengthens my argument. Kobe actually deferred more when he had Shaq, compared to when he was not playing with another superstar.

[Polynice4Pippen]

When did Kobe ever pass in the clutch? You're completely changing the argument you just made.

No one's changing any argument. Kobe DOUBLES Carmelo in assists. When has Kobe ever passed in the clutch? How about right here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOMEmRQ40U[/youtube]

Kobe is the definition of hero ball. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Your straw man doesn't change anything.

And the funny thing is that your video just strengthens my argument. Kobe actually deferred more when he had Shaq, compared to when he was not playing with another superstar.

Straw man? I answered your question DIRECTLY. You asked earlier how Kobe is a superstar but Melo isn't. I answered that DIRECTLY as well.

[Godzilla039]

my point is pretty clear. melo would only be beneficial to rose's game in certain situations. like those you pointed out. and the rest of the time it would be melo doing what melo has always done: taking the ball out of his point guard's hands to go one on one. nothing wrong with that if he's putting the ball in the hole, but too often he isn't. he would need to learn to play off another superstar effectively, which he has yet to do in his career

That's a lie.
2007-2008 Denver nuggets 50-32
Allen Iverson: 26.4 ppg
Melo: 25.7

The following year they reached the WFC while he effectively played with former Finals MVP Chauncy Billups.

billups was never a superstar. and he was only brought in in the first place because the melo-AI experiment didn't work as well as they hoped! they quickly realized it was a road to the same 'good but not great' status year after year that the knicks now find themselves in with melo

Don't try to change the subject. You said he has never played effectively with another superstar which was absolutely false. He, along with Iverson lead the Nuggets to 50 wins in a stacked Western Conference that featured 8 teams that won 50 games and another with 48. Whatever happened after that is irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

And lets not act like he's played with superstars for a significant amount of time in his career. He's played with Iverson and Amare. The latter was run into the ground (on an surgical knee) by that idiot Dantoni, regressed in athleticism, (attempts at the rim have gone done in 4 consecutive seasons) and is basically a jump shooter.

But Amare's decline isn't due to his busted back nor his shredded knees, it's Melo's fault since he has yet to play effectively with another superstar.

[Wingy]

I see a bunch of people tearing Melo's game apart and micro-analyzing every fault. Of course, he is definitely not perfect. I'm not seeing a ton of how Jo/Deng make us a better team instead.

I'd also like to see the times where Denver lost as the favorite in the playoffs vs just saying he's failed in the playoffs. That's the Western Conference where there aren't any cream puffs. It's been that way for many, many years.

[JordansBulls]

i really hate this thread. Such a basis poll

JordanBulls where you at!

What do you need me to do here?

I would take the Melo combo all day mainly against Miami.

[Hangtime84]

So i'm all for Melo, but is it possible to just let deng walk and waive boozer and have enough money to give to Melo. I know it won't be a max contract but it would be about 14 million i believe

Cap guys need your help to confirm

Rose
Bulter
Melo
Taj or Mirotic
Noah

[chadrucf]

So i'm all for Melo, but is it possible to just let deng walk and waive boozer and have enough money to give to Melo. I know it won't be a max contract but it would be about 14 million i believe

Cap guys need your help to confirm

Rose
Bulter
Melo
Taj or Mirotic
Noah

With Dunleavy, it's about $11 Million minus whatever Mirotic gets.

[Hangtime84]

So i'm all for Melo, but is it possible to just let deng walk and waive boozer and have enough money to give to Melo. I know it won't be a max contract but it would be about 14 million i believe

Cap guys need your help to confirm

Rose
Bulter
Melo
Taj or Mirotic
Noah

With Dunleavy, it's about $11 Million minus whatever Mirotic gets.

Then they'd have to find a person who wants boozers expiring contract to make this possible.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

When did Kobe ever pass in the clutch? You're completely changing the argument you just made.

No one's changing any argument. Kobe DOUBLES Carmelo in assists. When has Kobe ever passed in the clutch? How about right here.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOMEmRQ40U[/youtube]

Kobe is the definition of hero ball. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Your straw man doesn't change anything.

And the funny thing is that your video just strengthens my argument. Kobe actually deferred more when he had Shaq, compared to when he was not playing with another superstar.

I don't think that word means what you think it means.