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It means there will not be an extension with Monroe

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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#41 » by MrBigShot » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:27 am

coordinator0 wrote:
Clarity wrote:Yeah, Smith is worthless outside of 5 feet.

Im pretty set on facts. 27% isnt a stat I made up, its a fact.

Common sense says if we gave a guy 56 mill, he probably gonna see a lot of touches & since hes a low post scorer id assume those will be Monroe/Drummond touches going to Smith.


Except he's not that worthless outside the paint and is still a threat to score from other areas of the floor. I believe that as long as he's still a threat to do so then opposing defenses are going to guard him out there. $56 million isn't #1 option money and I don't expect Smith to be treated as such. Drummond will still get plenty of looks.


He is a threat, but the defense will give him the jumper all day long. You can bet that's on the scouting report. If this is going to work he will need to become a better shooter.
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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#42 » by Clarity » Sun Jul 7, 2013 2:53 am

coordinator0 wrote:Drummond will still get plenty of looks.


Lets hope

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He is a threat, but the defense will give him the jumper all day long. You can bet that's on the scouting report. If this is going to work he will need to become a better shooter.


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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#43 » by coordinator0 » Sun Jul 7, 2013 3:01 am

MrBigShot wrote:He is a threat, but the defense will give him the jumper all day long. You can bet that's on the scouting report. If this is going to work he will need to become a better shooter.


And I don't disagree with that, but I still think he's going to be able to pull defenders far enough out that Drummond still has enough room to effectively operate inside (with Monroe in the high post). That's what I've been getting at. I know Smith isn't a very efficient shooter but I think (hope) he's enough of a threat to make a lineup of Smith/Monroe/Drummond work on offense.
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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#44 » by theboomking » Sun Jul 7, 2013 4:01 pm

Wizards fan here. I really like Monroe and wish we had pieces we were willing to part with, to trade for him. Like the ESPN panel, I don't think Smith is a good fit. Now that you have him though, I don't think there is any way he can play SF. Smith has a good 1st step, but doesn't have the handles, or even moreso the shooting ability to play SF.

Regarding Monroe, I think it makes a lot of sense for you to trade him for a PG or a deadeye SF or SG. I'm not sure who that would be though. I don't think there is any way Mknroe doesn't get extended. He will either be traded or extended. There is always a possibility though that someone makes an offer in RFA that Detroit is unwilling to match.
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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#45 » by Brapman » Sun Jul 7, 2013 4:10 pm

whenever I see Fischella post, I gear up for a load of bullcrap which is only designed to make us feel bad about our team. he's just spamming us here. Totally unserious stuff.

Smith will play about 15 minutes a game at small forward, maximum. the truth is he'll spend about 30 minutes a game at power forward to subbing either for Monroe or Drummond. Smith is one of the very best defensive players in the league according to advanced statistics, so when he's in there the Pistons will always have a fabulous shots blocker in our lineup. When paired with Drummond - then good freaking luck scoring on us in the paint. If Mitchell develops well and can play as a role player, we could field the best shot blocking, athletic, defensive front court of all time with Drummond, Smith and Mitchell. No matter what our lineup and rotation is, with the front court we've got, plus two fine rebounding guards with KCP and Knight, we will likely own the offensive and defensive boards in every game we play.

If you don't like the possibilities of that, what can anyone say to you?

As teams collapse on the interior trying desperately to keep our incredibly talented big men out of the paint and off the boards, then Smith, Drummond and Monroe, all of whom are excellent passing big men - with Monroe being a passing savant, will be kicking the ball out to Knight and KCP which will likely be deadly since these are both great 3 pt shooters. Actually, so are Middleton and Singler, who should both have the chance to thrive playing 30 mpg at SF, when Smith is at PF FOR 30 MINUTES EACH GAME WHEN EITHER DRUMMOND OR MONROE IS RESTING [Sorry, but Fischella needs to be shouted at! :) ].

And we haven't yet figured in the players the Pistons will get for JJ (good player who might be out of possible rotation minutes now), Stuckey (great expiring contract), and CV (great expiring contract).

Look, the team will have growing pains as they are extremely young - but our guys have another year under their belt. It'll also take time for the team to learn how to play together, and for a new coach employing a new system. We get all that. But we're now talking about a talent base with an emerging all-star PF (Monroe), another established all-star caliber PF in Smith, an emerging elite/franchise C in Drummond, some very talented guards, two SF's who I think will prove to be very good rotation players/glue guys in this league - both of whom can really shoot and score the ball, and a guy like Mitchell who could turn out to be a big star and who we can bring along slowly. We're also talking about a team who can add serious talent at any time up to the trade deadline this season because of about $17 million in expiring contracts, and some intriguing young talent that could be expendable because they are too far down the depth chart.

If you don't like this team's future, you're ridiculous.
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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#46 » by MLBoyd » Sun Jul 7, 2013 4:25 pm

Say we trade Monroe in a deal to get Rondo, how long could the Rondo & Smith show contend? 3 years probably and the last of those 3 would be the best chance at a championship because NY and Brooklyn will be old, D-Wade will be to worn out to play at a high level anymore, Indiana shouldn't have the same depth because off the contracts of West, Hibbert, and George to worry about.

This win now mentality is dumb, we're trying to go from one of the worst teams to one of the best in one offseason? I understand the win now trade any young talent mentality for the Tigers because this is their chance to win a World Series. This Pistons team is not in the same situation.

I dont want to be a solid contender for just one season, and if we trade Monroe for Rondo thats what we're setting our selfs up for.
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Re: It means there will not be an extension with Monroe 

Post#47 » by Brapman » Sun Jul 7, 2013 4:49 pm

MLBoyd wrote:Say we trade Monroe in a deal to get Rondo, how long could the Rondo & Smith show contend? 3 years probably and the last of those 3 would be the best chance at a championship because NY and Brooklyn will be old, D-Wade will be to worn out to play at a high level anymore, Indiana shouldn't have the same depth because off the contracts of West, Hibbert, and George to worry about.

This win now mentality is dumb, we're trying to go from one of the worst teams to one of the best in one offseason? I understand the win now trade any young talent mentality for the Tigers because this is their chance to win a World Series. This Pistons team is not in the same situation.

I dont want to be a solid contender for just one season, and if we trade Monroe for Rondo thats what we're setting our selfs up for.


^Bingo. Nice post.

I think we're already on our way. Our roster is loaded with super high potential guys right now, but it's going to take them a few years of development and playing together to start hitting their peak at the right time. Being patient and getting the right pieces so the team takes steps up in an orderly and controlled way, makes way more sense than going for a knee-injured volatile personality PG like Rondo.

Be patient and allow JD to wait for the right guys to fall to us at the right time. That could happen this February at the trade deadline when guys like Stuckey and CV (two great expiring contracts value wise), JJ and maybe one of our promising deeper bench kids can be moved for a piece that's a primo fit here.

And there's zero way Monroe is being traded unless it's for a simply perfect fit - and Rondo sure doesn't seem to me to be such a fit.

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