BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[method]

You asked a question, and the answer is yes.

Oh so we didn't trade Novaks, Cambys and Q's guaranteed 17,929,722? It was just picks right...

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

If Bargs got bought out like every one says he would even thow the Clips wanted him..the Bulls were offering Boozer and GSW for offering Lee ...what makes you think he would of cleared waivers and we would of got him???I can all but guarantee he would of got picked up for 5/6 mill at the cheapest, way out of our price range.....we could buy a late 1st rounder just like we bought the Tony Douglas pick...the reason we couldnt buy a pick this year was because we had already used our 3 mill on a trade in the beginning of the year we didnt use it yet this year...I would assume because we are saving it to buy a pick this year.

And as someone mentioned we have the luxury of benching Bargs if he doesnt rebound or play D an option the Raps didnt have.Thats Woody M.O. if you dont defend you dont play.

[StephNYKurry]

Exactly. Thats the flaw of the Knicks philosophy. They rely on making a ton of jumpers to win games. When they can't make them they have little chance to win. And eventually over the course of the playoffs they will go cold. Its easy to stop because the Knicks don't have great ways to get good looks from 3. Its not like they play much inside/outside ball. Its more chuck and duck.

The other really good teams in the league are much more versatile offensively and they all play better defense then the Knicks. They can get better shots and can have a consistent offense. Being a great/good defensive team gives you another way to win even when your shooting is off. Pacers won plenty of games when they shot bad because of there defense. Knicks are not built that way so when there shot is off they lose. They were a mediocre defensive team during the season.

Give me a team thats built around defense over a team thats built around 3's anyday.

It can work when you have elite shooters i.e. 40% or better. We don't have shooters. We have "scorers," i.e. guys who's specialty is hitting difficult shots. In fact, in going after players our FO is willing to sacrifice shooting for scoring.

Shooters are pointless for us because we don't have the playmakers to get them open looks.

If we couldn't get Novak consistent looks, what makes you think we could get other stone cold shooters consistent looks?

It works with Miami because they have one of the best playmakers the game has ever seen.

[Thugger HBC]

Oh so we didn't trade Novaks, Cambys and Q's guaranteed 17,929,722? It was just picks right...

The picks arent even my argument, i dont like bargnani's game, everyone knows it.

But you cant seriously believe Grunwald had to sell Toronto on the trade for a player they were desperate to get rid because a below average salary and an expiring contract wasnt better than the player they had.

They literally saved 8 mil dollars and got three picks for it.

You cannot make this up.

If Bargs got bought out like every one says he would even thow the Clips wanted him..the Bulls were offering Boozer and GSW for offering Lee ...what makes you think he would of cleared waivers and we would of got him???I can all but guarantee he would of got picked up for 5/6 mill at the cheapest, way out of our price range.....we could buy a late 1st rounder just like we bought the Tony Douglas pick...the reason we couldnt buy a pick this year was because we had already used our 3 mill on a trade in the beginning of the year we didnt use it yet this year...I would assume because we are saving it to buy a pick this year.

And as someone mentioned we have the luxury of benching Bargs if he doesnt rebound or play D an option the Raps didnt have.Thats Woody M.O. if you dont defend you dont play.

those players were offered because they have worse contracts.

It certainly wasnt because Bargnani is a better player than Lee or Boozer.

edit: I missed a piece....

I seriously doubt they are hoping to buy a draft pick in the 2014 draft.

[god shammgod]

to me it's always dangerous to hope for a guy to change. but i am, i'm hoping. what else can i do ?

I know we've had trades that some hated.

But has there been a significant trade that everyone hated before?

No because of who was traded but the acquired player.

I have to go back pretty far to find one.

this was definitely a curve ball for our current management. nobody saw this kind of thing coming. we were all about solid veterans and finding unknowns gems. now we went high risk/high reward.

[StephNYKurry]

to me it's always dangerous to hope for a guy to change. but i am, i'm hoping. what else can i do ?

I know we've had trades that some hated.

But has there been a significant trade that everyone hated before?

No because of who was traded but the acquired player.

I have to go back pretty far to find one.

this was definitely a curve ball for our current management. nobody saw this kind of thing coming. we were all about solid veterans and finding unknowns gems. now we went high risk/high reward.

But this is what everyone was begging for in the draft.

Now they actually get a guy who has some track record of success in the NBA, but **** on the move?

[Context]

My new line on the Bargs situation: I can't wait for the season to start!

Playoffs will be my true judging moment.

I expect the team to score well regardless of Bargnani.

Play offs are MORE important but you need to win in the regular season to get to the play offs... Seems to me that your covering your tracks with the approach bro

[Thugger HBC]

I know we've had trades that some hated.

But has there been a significant trade that everyone hated before?

No because of who was traded but the acquired player.

I have to go back pretty far to find one.

this was definitely a curve ball for our current management. nobody saw this kind of thing coming. we were all about solid veterans and finding unknowns gems. now we went high risk/high reward.

But this is what everyone was begging for in the draft.

Now they actually get a guy who has some track record of success in the NBA, but **** on the move?

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

[Thugger HBC]

My new line on the Bargs situation: I can't wait for the season to start!

Playoffs will be my true judging moment.

I expect the team to score well regardless of Bargnani.

Play offs are MORE important but you need to win in the regular season to get to the play offs... Seems to me that your covering your tracks with the approach bro

Not really, i kinda learned my lesson being being extra high on regular season games.

The dont necessarily translate to the playoffs.

And that comment wasnt really bargnani related either.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The big difference is that one is a SG and the other is supposed to be a big man. But they both play like SGs. And that explains a lot on why many don't like Bargs. I prefer a big man that plays like a big man, and not a SG.

WHO GIVES A CRAP????

1) His role on this team is to score and Gordon's would have been the same.

2) People would have loved the Gordon move even though it does NOTHING to solve our rebounding woes, on the premise that Gordon is a scorer, when he in fact isn't a better scorer than Bargnani

3) Most of you haters of Small Ball, would be committing to small ball AGAIN, with a guy with bad knees, average/below average defense, and inefficient scoring, while not addressing our biggest issues.

You're punishing Bargs for not being as good as you think he can be, while you think that Gordon is more of what he should be (which he isn't).

That's ridiculous.

Because a PF and SG have different roles on the court. A PFs job is to rebound and help defend the paint. When your PFs do those things worse then almost every other PF in the league your are in trouble. Chandler is not enough to pick up all the slack.

At the end of the day, all I ask from this trade is for the Knicks to play really good defense. If they can do that I'll be happy. I don't see that happening with the current roster. They don't have enough players to do the dirty work or play both ways well enough. I think they took a big step back in that area from this trade.

But yeah, it may also depend on how they use Bargs and what other pieces they bring in.

[StephNYKurry]

this was definitely a curve ball for our current management. nobody saw this kind of thing coming. we were all about solid veterans and finding unknowns gems. now we went high risk/high reward.

But this is what everyone was begging for in the draft.

Now they actually get a guy who has some track record of success in the NBA, but **** on the move?

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

Oh please, I can go back and grab posts from the draft thread if you want. Lazy ass Tony Mitchell was at the top of damn near everyone's board.

[suicidedeuce]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

[StephNYKurry]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

Once again, for some reason, there are folks who came into the offseason with the thought that the Knicks were going to make championship additions.

AND they thought the Knicks weren't going to have to give up anything substantial to facilitate said moves.

****...there's still people who don't wanna part with Iman Shumpert for Rajon Rondo.

[Thugger HBC]

But this is what everyone was begging for in the draft.

Now they actually get a guy who has some track record of success in the NBA, but **** on the move?

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

Oh please, I can go back and grab posts from the draft thread if you want. Lazy ass Tony Mitchell was at the top of damn near everyone's board.

u upset?

of course he was wanted,,,,,, the dude is a forward and his strengths are rebounding and blocking shots....something the team sorely still needs of which bargnani has phobias of or allergies or some religious reason of abstinence.

Bargnani has a motor of not care for basketball....the rookie has a questionable motor of improving what he already is good at.

You're making your argument weaker by the post.

[Thugger HBC]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

You jumped in without reading, we were talking about the draft in that post.

[kNicksGmen]

OK haters, you win. you've convinced us that bargs always has and always will suck. also he'll never help us more than novak and camby would have. he's a terrible player and we should have stuck with what we had instead of trying to improve.

nobody is bringing anything new to the debate. at this point let's just wait and see how it works out.

[Thugger HBC]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

Once again, for some reason, there are folks who came into the offseason with the thought that the Knicks were going to make championship additions.

AND they thought the Knicks weren't going to have to give up anything substantial to facilitate said moves.

****...there's still people who don't wanna part with Iman Shumpert for Rajon Rondo.

we dont have anything to trade for rondo.

[god shammgod]

maybe that woody tough love will help. motivating is a strength of his.

[StephNYKurry]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

Oh please, I can go back and grab posts from the draft thread if you want. Lazy ass Tony Mitchell was at the top of damn near everyone's board.

u upset?

of course he was wanted,,,,,, the dude is a forward and his strengths are rebounding and blocking shots....something the team sorely still needs of which bargnani has phobias of or allergies or some religious reason of abstinence.

Bargnani has a motor of not care for basketball....the rookie has a questionable motor of improving what he already is good at.

You're making your argument weaker by the post.

"U Upset..."

You're supposed to be a mod and acting like a 3 year old

(puts on ignore)

Edited: JEEZ, I'm freaking stuck with this foolishness

[Thugger HBC]

Oh please, I can go back and grab posts from the draft thread if you want. Lazy ass Tony Mitchell was at the top of damn near everyone's board.

u upset?

of course he was wanted,,,,,, the dude is a forward and his strengths are rebounding and blocking shots....something the team sorely still needs of which bargnani has phobias of or allergies or some religious reason of abstinence.

Bargnani has a motor of not care for basketball....the rookie has a questionable motor of improving what he already is good at.

You're making your argument weaker by the post.

"U Upset..."

You're supposed to be a mod and acting like a 3 year old

(puts on ignore)

how many time you care to make it personal?

I can help you solve your issue.

[suicidedeuce]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

You jumped in without reading, we were talking about the draft in that post.

With?

The 24th pick in the draft?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.