BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[StephNYKurry]

u upset?

of course he was wanted,,,,,, the dude is a forward and his strengths are rebounding and blocking shots....something the team sorely still needs of which bargnani has phobias of or allergies or some religious reason of abstinence.

Bargnani has a motor of not care for basketball....the rookie has a questionable motor of improving what he already is good at.

You're making your argument weaker by the post.

"U Upset..."

You're supposed to be a mod and acting like a 3 year old

(puts on ignore)

how many time you care to make it personal?

I can help you solve your issue.

How did I make it personal?

"U Upset..." is childish and you know it.

[Context]

i hate when people include first round picks and 2nd round picks as the same thing though.

They are only different by contract guarantees, other than that there really is no difference.

What is going on here?

Exactly... Objectivity out the freaking window that's what...

[StephNYKurry]

They are only different by contract guarantees, other than that there really is no difference.

What is going on here?

Exactly... Objectivity out the freaking window that's what...

"I don't like the 7 foot european guy who played in Canada" is what this is lol

[Thugger HBC]

"U Upset..."

You're supposed to be a mod and acting like a 3 year old

(puts on ignore)

how many time you care to make it personal?

I can help you solve your issue.

How did I make it personal?

"U Upset..." is childish and you know it.

I can help you, just ask....

[god shammgod]

looks like the previews are over. here comes the movie.

[Thugger HBC]

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

You jumped in without reading, we were talking about the draft in that post.

With?

The 24th pick in the draft?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

What exactly are you talking about?

[BOOMbip]

Let's not pretend that the Knicks were completely healthy and playing at their best while the Pacers weren't having breakout and career performances from multiple players to get by the Knicks. Melo was hurt and half the team couldn't shoot straight the whole series while Pacers were doing everything they needed to. It's not like it was all the Pacers defense as wide open shots were being missed by all of the Knicks. The Knicks did everything in their power to give that series away and the Pacers still had to work hard to win it. So the gap between the two teams was mostly of 'for that series' and less of 'in general'.

That being said the most notable advantages the Pacers had were that both of their big men could shoot jumpers so pulled the Knicks basket defense away from the paint while on the other side of the ball the Knicks big men can't shoot outside of the paint so the Pacers could clog the paint and everything was contested at the basket. That resulted in the Knicks poor fg% and few offensive rebounds while on the other side that gave the Pacers lanes to the basket and room to get offensive rebounds.

It's going to be hard to find big men that can play inside and outside but without finding some big men who can shoot outside the paint the Knicks will find themselves in the same spot next playoffs. The cold shooting of JR was so epic you can't plan for him to be that bad again for that long and there's no way to improve that other than find other scorers so he isn't relied as heavily upon.

Oh come on, the most notable advantage was the rebounding. We held our breathe after every Pacers miss because half the time they got the rebound. Another notable advantage was how the Pacer bigs dominated the Knicks, and were able to get open 3s at will because the Knicks defensive scheme is to double the post no matter what. The problem was that Kidd rotated incredibly slow and gave the Pacers plenty of nice looks.

What I saw in that series was same ol' playoff JR, a worn-down Chandler, and an injured and inefficient Melo. JR's cold shooting is partly due to him taking some dumb shots the defense will give him. Chandler was bound to break down after not resting during the Summer and instead participating in the Olympics. Melo played hard and I give him a lot of credit, but he still made some questionable decisions.

I love the guys on the team, but JR playing bad in the playoffs isn't something out of the ordinary. Chandler is getting older and has trouble playing a full season. Melo is a great player, but he can't do ita ll.

The most repeated by fans advantage was rebounding but that's not why they won the series. If you think that's why it is you don't understand what happened in that series at all.

[Im Coming Home]

Can we just support Bargs? This is a low risk/high reward deal, I don't know why you're complaining about losing Novak and Camby and a pick that was going to be a late 1st rounder which we already gave another team the power to switch with us if it was worth a damn anyways.

Bargnani has the potential to make this team an unbelievable offensive force, and we have Tyson who hopefully plays like DPOY Tyson, to cover Bargs butt.

He's a Knick now, get over it and support Bargs and hope he will be good for this team because I know I'm hoping he finally reaches his potential.

[StephNYKurry]

I can help you, just ask....

Is this like a veiled threat of some sort?

[Thugger HBC]

I can help you, just ask....

Is this like a veiled threat of some sort?

Nope.

[suicidedeuce]

What exactly are you talking about?

That you don't address rotational needs with the 24th pick in the draft.

[ezmoney707]

[BOOMbip]

Let's not pretend that the Knicks were completely healthy and playing at their best while the Pacers weren't having breakout and career performances from multiple players to get by the Knicks. Melo was hurt and half the team couldn't shoot straight the whole series while Pacers were doing everything they needed to. It's not like it was all the Pacers defense as wide open shots were being missed by all of the Knicks. The Knicks did everything in their power to give that series away and the Pacers still had to work hard to win it. So the gap between the two teams was mostly of 'for that series' and less of 'in general'.

That being said the most notable advantages the Pacers had were that both of their big men could shoot jumpers so pulled the Knicks basket defense away from the paint while on the other side of the ball the Knicks big men can't shoot outside of the paint so the Pacers could clog the paint and everything was contested at the basket. That resulted in the Knicks poor fg% and few offensive rebounds while on the other side that gave the Pacers lanes to the basket and room to get offensive rebounds.

It's going to be hard to find big men that can play inside and outside but without finding some big men who can shoot outside the paint the Knicks will find themselves in the same spot next playoffs. The cold shooting of JR was so epic you can't plan for him to be that bad again for that long and there's no way to improve that other than find other scorers so he isn't relied as heavily upon.

The Knicks tried that in that series though. They played almost the entire series with small ball, with only 1 big at a time. They tried spreading the floor, but Indy still shut the offense down. Chandler or Kmart/Amare were the only bigs on the court at a time usually. And its just a very poor excuse to blame Chandler for spacing. Knicks should still be able to run an effective offense with Chandler on the court. They have in the past and the Mavs were a great offensive team when they one. Replacing one guy who stands at the 3 point line with another guy to stand at the 3 point line isn't the answer.

The problem I saw with the Knicks offense is that they struggled to set up any offense and get good shots. Indy stayed home on the Knicks shooters, Hibbert stayed in the paint, and they forced the Knicks into a lot of one-on-ones and iso's and bad shots. The Knicks had no answer, except shoot more 3's.

Basically, the Knicks offense is a gimmick and really good defensive teams can shut it down in a playoff series. There philosophy is flawed and will never work long term in the playoffs.

If anything I had hoped the Knicks would go in the opposite direction. Get better on the defensive end. If they could learn to win games that way they would have a much better chance in the defensive playoff battles.

Did I say the Knicks need to play small ball to win the series? No I didn't, I said they need to find bigs that can score outside of the paint. The reason Hibbert stayed in the paint was because the guy he was guarding, either Tyson or KMart, can't shoot further than dunking. Have a 7 footer who can shoot jumpers and he has to leave the paint to guard him. As soon as he's not planted in front of the rim it opens up so much and the Knicks don't have to rely just on 3s.

[Thugger HBC]

What exactly are you talking about?

That you don't address rotational needs with the 24th pick in the draft.

Why not? r u saying a rotational player cannot be found at that spot?

[ORANGEandBLUE]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

Camby + pick could have gotten us another passable big like Glen Davis or Robin Lopez.

[god shammgod]

don't be scared girl, it's just a movie.

[StephNYKurry]

don't be scared girl, it's just a movie.

SHUT UP!!!!!

[god shammgod]

[Thugger HBC]

False, most were hoping the team either address efficient shooting, playmaking or an actual big that does things bigs do.

With?

The mini MLE?

Seems like some of you had some pretty high expectations.

Camby + pick could have gotten us another passable big like Glen Davis or Robin Lopez.

Hell, i have no doubt in my mind 1 st and 2 seconds combined with that first and our 1st could have moved up in the draft.

And yeah, that player would have more potential than than the bust that wont even be able to keep his jersey number.

[suicidedeuce]

What exactly are you talking about?

That you don't address rotational needs with the 24th pick in the draft.

Why not? r u saying a rotational player cannot be found at that spot?

The only "big" you're finding with the 24th pick is a project.

Most players picked in the second half of the first round and later and projects to some degree or another.

Anyone who lasts that long has a questionable aspect to his game, which is why they last that long.

Doesn't mean you can't unearth a gem, but picking who you regard as the best available player with a late first is a very sound strategy.