The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread

fishercob · Post #681 » by **fishercob** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:47 am

verbal8 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:So Milsap signs 2 years 19 million? Very reasonable deal.

It looks a little on the high on an annual salary perspective, but limiting the deal to 2 years was very wise.

That deal would have fit in an Ariza S&T

For Atlanta that would mean that Josh Smith is on the move. S&T to houston for Osik?

Once Utah renounced Millsap, the couldn't S&T him. They renounced him so they could clear more cap space so they could make their tanktastic trade with Golden State.

Deeptu McPullup · Post #682 » by **Deeptu McPullup** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 12:18 pm

fishercob wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:So Milsap signs 2 years 19 million? Very reasonable deal.

It looks a little on the high on an annual salary perspective, but limiting the deal to 2 years was very wise.

That deal would have fit in an Ariza S&T

For Atlanta that would mean that Josh Smith is on the move. S&T to houston for Osik?

Once Utah renounced Millsap, the couldn't S&T him. They renounced him so they could clear more cap space so they could make their tanktastic trade with Golden State.

Well, reverse engineering things, had we come hard and heavy earlier, it well might have been in their interests to not renounce Millsap, especially as we saw that they were feeling gutter friendly.

Something along the lines of:

WAS OUT/UTH IN: Ariza, Vesely, Booker, and some sort of pick
UTH OUT/WAS IN: Millsap & Marvin Williams (out till Christmas at least)

I believe they would have still been able to pull off the trade as that doesn't have them taking back that much extra salary (about half of PM's cap hold).

http://storytellerscontracts.info/?page_id=1508

It might've been possible to work into that trade as a 3-way too.

I think we basically just weren't interested, which is......well then....moving on.

As of now, it looks like we're counting on one of Ernie's Kids having at least a mini break out, which is.....not my absolute favorite plan as we're undercutting the solid pieces on the roster unnecessarily with only marginal upside (though it's obvious listening to the recent discussion that I'm not as down on Seraphin as some). I guess it's an OK strategy if there's something specific we plan on doing next summer with cap space.

fishercob · Post #683 » by **fishercob** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 12:27 pm

The "some sort of pick" would have been our first next year for sure. The GS trade got them 4 picks (2 firsts and 2 seconds) and got their tank engine rolling for next year.

Deeptu McPullup · Post #684 » by **Deeptu McPullup** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 1:12 pm

The Golden State trade was a $24 million dollar absorption of deadweight, so it probably would not have cost a 1st for turning a rehabbing Marvelous into Ariza and then throwing a few expiring rookie bigs in for a net cost of $5.9 million. Give Milsap a 3 year $27 million dollar deal that expires with Nene at 4.5% annual raises and we could have started at about $8.6 million, so it works at that cost (could be $5.2 million if they preferred C-Singles).

That's a respectable dollop of advantage right there and we have some other peripheral assets (Prezdelic & Satoransky; eh, eh?). I don't know if they'd be interested or not, but it's hardly the wasteland package expunged from the Warriors' hindmost recesses.

Worst case, even if it were the 2014 first rounder, we'd have almost surely sent them roundabouts the 20th to 23rd pick in the 2014 draft with M-Sap in the fold. I'm not frantically running google searches on Rogaine as Iturn that over in my head.

This looks to have been a very accessible opportunity as the Hawk's offer could have been beaten easily while the Jazz were obviously plumbing for value. The planets were aligned.

But, we didn't want to do it. C'es la guerre.

theboomking · Post #685 » by **theboomking** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 7:48 pm

Is Greg Monroe a RFA next year? You have to to think that Detroit might not match a big contract offer now that they have Drummond and Josh Smith.

Kanyewest · Post #686 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 8:38 pm

theboomking wrote:Is Greg Monroe a RFA next year? You have to to think that Detroit might not match a big contract offer now that they have Drummond and Josh Smith.

They have the room to keep Monroe if they want; Stuckey and Villanueva are expiring contracts.

mhd · Post #687 » by **mhd** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 9:37 pm

You know honestly, I think Nick Young would be a smart signing for one of the contenders. He's much better value on a small deal than what Mayo got. He's an elite spot of shooter and a very good man defender.

If I were OKC, I'd sign Young and tell him you will get exposure if you play with us.

queridiculo · Post #688 » by **queridiculo** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 11:45 pm

Is there really any doubt left about the owners greed in the recent labor dispute? Absurd the sort of money is being thrown around..

Post #689 » by **nate33** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:01 pm

Wow. Hickson just signed with Denver for 3 years, $15M. I was sure some idiot would overpay him and give him $8M a year or something. Maybe GM's are smartening up a bit.

verbal8 · Post #690 » by **verbal8** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:18 pm

queridiculo wrote:Is there really any doubt left about the owners greed in the recent labor dispute? Absurd the sort of money is being thrown around..

I won't disagree about the owners being greedy.

However the deals aren't really a reflection of that. Since the overall salary is a percentage of the overall revenuses, so the actual payments to players are adjusted rather than being strictly what was negotiated.

What I have noticed rather than terrible overall is the fit seems to be very odd. Josh Smith for the Pistons is the most extreme example.

Post #691 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 12:25 am

So far, looks like solid backup C's are running on the $5M per range (Pachulia and Hickson). Robin Lopez has a similar deal that Portland was willing to guarantee, but he's probably going to start.

Could bode well for re-signing Okafor next year to a similar deal, as I'd put him in the same class as those guys. Maybe even a tier lower due to age/injury.

Post #692 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 11:12 am

nate33 wrote:Wow. Hickson just signed with Denver for 3 years, $15M. I was sure some idiot would overpay him and give him $8M a year or something. Maybe GM's are smartening up a bit.

So Denver lets Koufas go for Darrell Arthur (???) and signs Hickson. Are they planning on playing on playing Faried some at center? I guess with so few legit centers in the NBA, we'll see more small ball lineups.

And yes, if the Wiz could have gotten Hickson for the MLE, they should have. He's not great, but he's better than what the Wiz have.

Post #693 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:40 pm

LyricalRico wrote:So far, looks like solid backup C's are running on the $5M per range (Pachulia and Hickson). Robin Lopez has a similar deal that Portland was willing to guarantee, but he's probably going to start.

Could bode well for re-signing Okafor next year to a similar deal, as I'd put him in the same class as those guys. Maybe even a tier lower due to age/injury.

And starting centers get a lot more. Pekovic is reportedly getting 12 mil annually with Minnesota. It'll be interesting to see how Minny does with a full hopefully healthy season with both Love and Pekovic. Offensively and on the boards, they should be tremendous, but defensively... we'll see how far you can go with 2 20 plus PER bigs who are defensively deficient.

Re Okafor, if some team decides he's a starting center, they'll likely pay him.

dckingsfan · Post #694 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:41 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:Wow. Hickson just signed with Denver for 3 years, $15M. I was sure some idiot would overpay him and give him $8M a year or something. Maybe GM's are smartening up a bit.

So Denver lets Koufas go for Darrell Arthur (???) and signs Hickson. Are they planning on playing on playing Faried some at center? I guess with so few legit centers in the NBA, we'll see more small ball lineups.

And yes, if the Wiz could have gotten Hickson for the MLE, they should have. He's not great, but he's better than what the Wiz have.

Yes, they had truly one of the worst off-seasons of any team - IMO. On a mildly decent team they lose their defensive C for an offensive PF. Then they sign a defensively poor PF. WTF? They lose their best perimeter defender in Iguodala. I predict a 10 game swing.

And I personally am very happy we didn't get Hickson - the fit with Whit just isn't there. This team needs to stay away from knuckleheads and defensively challenged players - again IMO.

dckingsfan · Post #695 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 1:43 pm

LyricalRico wrote:So far, looks like solid backup C's are running on the $5M per range (Pachulia and Hickson). Robin Lopez has a similar deal that Portland was willing to guarantee, but he's probably going to start.

Could bode well for re-signing Okafor next year to a similar deal, as I'd put him in the same class as those guys. Maybe even a tier lower due to age/injury.

One can only hope - MLE would be great, but I am guessing closer to $8M. But it is hard to predict.

deneem4 · Post #696 » by **deneem4** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 2:50 pm

What sucks is...we are by definition a sucky team and we have no cap space...all the toher non playoff teams do...ezcept us....tht sht is irritating...

Post #697 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:16 pm

deneem4 wrote:What sucks is...we are by definition a sucky team and we have no cap space...all the toher non playoff teams do...ezcept us....tht sht is irritating...

Those other teams won't have cap space for long, though. Just look at the money being thrown around so far. We're actually looking good cap-wise after this season, when other teams will be regretting a lot of the money they just spent.

Post #698 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:26 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:So far, looks like solid backup C's are running on the $5M per range (Pachulia and Hickson). Robin Lopez has a similar deal that Portland was willing to guarantee, but he's probably going to start.

Could bode well for re-signing Okafor next year to a similar deal, as I'd put him in the same class as those guys. Maybe even a tier lower due to age/injury.

One can only hope - MLE would be great, but I am guessing closer to $8M. But it is hard to predict.

I wouldn't mind having 2 Okafors for the 2014/2015 season. Jahlil looks like the real deal after a successful performance in the world under 19 tournament. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/ I think they're just distant relatives.

Jay81 · Post #699 » by **Jay81** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:12 pm

LyricalRico wrote:
deneem4 wrote:What sucks is...we are by definition a sucky team and we have no cap space...all the toher non playoff teams do...ezcept us....tht sht is irritating...

Those other teams won't have cap space for long, though. Just look at the money being thrown around so far. We're actually looking good cap-wise after this season, when other teams will be regretting a lot of the money they just spent.

yes but the 2014 FA class sucks.

We have to wait to 2015

dckingsfan · Post #700 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:So far, looks like solid backup C's are running on the $5M per range (Pachulia and Hickson). Robin Lopez has a similar deal that Portland was willing to guarantee, but he's probably going to start.

Could bode well for re-signing Okafor next year to a similar deal, as I'd put him in the same class as those guys. Maybe even a tier lower due to age/injury.

One can only hope - MLE would be great, but I am guessing closer to $8M. But it is hard to predict.

I wouldn't mind having 2 Okafors for the 2014/2015 season. Jahlil looks like the real deal after a successful performance in the world under 19 tournament. http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jahlil-Okafor-6469/ I think they're just distant relatives.

Might be the hook to keep Okafor... I like it