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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 

Post#761 » by LikeABosh » Mon Jul 8, 2013 3:50 pm

HIF wrote:EVERY team overpays for a big man. You are deluding yourself if you think any below average big man can't get the equivalent of the mmle.


Oh, for sure. But most of the teams who can overpay for a big man have already done it. I don't know who's left

HIF wrote:We are Lucky that we have Joel on what has been a low salary contract as back up.


I don't agree and I know Gametime doesn't either. It's a decent contract

HIF wrote:Bird has the money from the Denver contract. I would be shocked and ashamed for him if he didn't re-sign for us. But if someone wants to offer him 27m over 3 years I'd understand that.


No one is going to offer him 9 million per. Who's going to do that? He went months without being picked up by anyone and he'll be 35 this coming year
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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 

Post#762 » by HIF » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:14 pm

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mademan wrote:Steimsmas actually a good player. Good defender, good rebounder and shotblocker. He's got some range and good mobility. I'm surprised he got waived, he's a serviceable center, which is extremely rare in this league.


If this is true, then Riley should go after him right now.

and don't let him simmer and take too long to decide, because then his agent will simply leak "Miami Heat interested in Stiemsma" and then Dallas, San Antonio, Boston, NY and every other damn team will treat Stiemsma like he's made of Gold.


We gotta operate fast and sign him. Go for the guy under the radar, and sell him on the chance to start for us, on a 2 year deal, with the 2nd year a player option.



He's not a starter!!

He's a young backup center who plays d, rebounds and protects the rim.

There are NO starters at C that will even think of taking the min.
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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 

Post#763 » by DWadeno3 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:21 pm

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GreenHat wrote:We've faced five elimination games in our two title runs which is a lot for a repeat champion. Of course we went 5-0 in those last 5 games but that includes a much larger element of luck than a team with this much talent should require. Anyone can win one game which is why you want to avoid elimination games. Facing five in only two seasons is not a blueprint that should be followed in the future.

Of course Leonard split those free throws but our season shouldn't be relying on something we have no control over.

I'm definitely not advocating major changes in general or trading Bosh for Asik specifically but we have been very fortunate in these last two years in elimination games. We shouldn't be facing 2-3 per year and if we continue to it will end up biting us in the ass.


That's true as far as it goes, but at the same time, we've played the last two postseasons with one of the big 3 significantly limited and/or missing time with injury and still come out with 2 titles. 2 elimination games against Boston...in a series where Bosh only played in 2.5 games. 2 elimination games against SA and 1 against Ind...in a playoff when Wade severely limited by knee injuries.

It's true that injuries happen and we might wonder if Wade in particular will be ever be healthy through a full playoff run again. At the same time, it's hard to imagine the Bulls 3-peating with Scottie being as limited as Wade was, or the Lakers winning back-to-backs with Worthy missing as much time as Bosh did in the 12 postseason.

If you don't change a single thing about the team but get both of those guys playing at normal playoff level, you might not see any elimination games. It's not hard to imagine the Indy series, e.g., being a "close" 5-game series (ala Bulls in 11), rather than a 7-gamer, with Wade playing like he did in Jan/Feb/Mar. It's not hard to imagine Miami beating Boston in 6 in '12 if Bosh is there for the entire series. So, I mean, yeah, you don't want to constantly have your back against the wall in the playoffs, and yeah, you always want to be improving, but you also need some perspective.


Its also not hard to imagine the Spurs beating us in a relatively easy series if Parker doesn't get hurt. Or Indiana beating us if Granger was healthy so that they would have more than 5 playable players (remember we won game 1 in overtime). Those guys are part of the "big 3" of their teams. Heck even the Mavs were missing their #2 or 3 offensive option while they were dismantling us (obviously they had guys with defensive value who were better than Caron)

Additionally I think that even with the injuries we were the much better team in all four situations, including their injuries which I'm sure their fans point to as the reason why they didn't beat us (just like all fans do).

As long as Lebron is healthy and at least one of Wade/Bosh is good to go I think we still have the best team in the league which shows just how much more talent we have than everyone else.


The Pacers and Spurs have had their fair share of luck as well. Remember Paul George's 32-footer that sent it to OT in game 1 or the foul call he got at the end of the OT (which is not always called)? We won the game so nobody cares, but that shot probably falls two, maybe three out of ten times and the fall call is probably being made five out of ten times.
Or how about the fact that LeBron James fouled out in game 4, which is something he's rarely ever done in the postseason? On top of that, the refs made a crucial traveling call on Wade that's probably being called two out of ten times, if not just one. Let's go on to the Finals and Parker's floater where he almost lost the ball twice and then made a tough shot. We're not the only ones who've had things go for us in crucial moments of games.
Aside of the luck other teams have had against us, I'd say a healthy Dwyane Wade is a bigger wildcard than anything the other teams can offer.
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Re: Official Off-Season Trade/Rumor Thread 

Post#764 » by weouthere » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:21 pm

Steimsma has a bad attitude. Not sure he would gel on this team
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Post#765 » by HIF » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:31 pm

weouthere wrote:Steimsma has a bad attitude. Not sure he would gel on this team


That's news to me.

I heard only good things about his attitude in Boston and Minny.

Still hope we can get a better player though
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Post#766 » by Alleyooops » Mon Jul 8, 2013 4:46 pm

weouthere wrote:Steimsma has a bad attitude. Not sure he would gel on this team



I have never heard that before. What are you basing that on? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.
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Post#767 » by dolphinatik » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:05 pm

was jsut coming to post about Steimsma. I think he would be #1 center type we should be looking for. We should try to get him.
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Post#768 » by weouthere » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:17 pm

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weouthere wrote:Steimsma has a bad attitude. Not sure he would gel on this team



I have never heard that before. What are you basing that on? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.


He just always seems to wanna fight someone whenever I'm watching him play. He doesn't seem like he'd like it in Miami
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Post#769 » by LikeABosh » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:30 pm

What kind of team do you think we have?
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Post#770 » by DWadeno3 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:41 pm

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weouthere wrote:Steimsma has a bad attitude. Not sure he would gel on this team



I have never heard that before. What are you basing that on? Not saying you're wrong, just curious.


He just always seems to wanna fight someone whenever I'm watching him play. He doesn't seem like he'd like it in Miami


As for him always wanting to fight someone I disagree. He fouls hard, but that's what I want from my center. He's not the hothead type though.
Aside of that, what makes you think he wouldn't like it in Miami? We have a team with a ton of different characters, he'll be fine. At the end of the day, it's a job and if a team offers you a good salary and good opportunity you'll take it no matter what.
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Post#771 » by Ratchet_Rio » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:43 pm

weouthere wrote:He just always seems to wanna fight someone whenever I'm watching him play. He doesn't seem like he'd like it in Miami


Maybe I'm just sick but I have no problem with adding anothe guy in the locker room who isnt afraid to get dirty. I've seen him play and noticed the same chippyness, he almost came to blows with someone last year. Matt Barnes? I cant remember. One thing Steisma wouldnt do is solve the problem of defending some of these 7 footers, he's not THAT guy. Probably wont even be on Rileys radar
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Post#772 » by OtW » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:47 pm

While we wait for worthwhile FA news and signings from this Heat team, here is a joke we all can laugh at :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#773 » by LikeABosh » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:48 pm

Steamer wouldn't be any more of a problem than Haslem or Birdman is...or Chalmers even. He never came off as a fake tough guy like Hans, Grange, or Joakim. Just plays hard
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Post#774 » by MartyCONLONNN » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:58 pm

OtW wrote:While we wait for worthwhile FA news and signings from this Heat team, here is a joke we all can laugh at :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What's so funny?? My sources tell me Lebron has always wanted to play with Jr Smith, Raymond Felton & Andrea Bargnani #BuildingALegacy
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Post#775 » by + Kyle + » Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:58 pm

I'd take him. We don't really have a lot of options to be picky.
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Post#776 » by Duane » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:25 pm

Have you guys even looked at Steamer's numbers? I hope none of you were complaining about Haslem last season, because prime Steamer's stats look like declining Haslem's. He is the stereotypical white stiff. When we're digging through Minnesota's refuse bin, I think we've hit a new low. No thanks. I'd take bad attitude Dalembert over him anyway of the week. Hell, just bring back Juwan in that case.
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Post#777 » by LikeABosh » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:32 pm

"Steamer's numbers"? He's a defensive role player, what numbers would you be expecting?
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Post#778 » by Picklewagon » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:46 pm

OtW wrote:While we wait for worthwhile FA news and signings from this Heat team, here is a joke we all can laugh at :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Right. Lebrons gonna leave one of the best franchises where he's won multiple chips to join a trainwreck of an organization. He's gonna leave a team full of unselfish players who all took less money in order to play with one of the biggest black hole chuckers in the nba who's all about getting paid. He's gonna leave 80 degree winters to live in 20 degree winters.

Seems legit.
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Post#779 » by LikeABosh » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:53 pm

Even if we put aside the championships, the heat could have nearly everyone off the books in 2014. The knicks would have to wait until 2015 before they could acquire a sidekick for lebron.
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Post#780 » by HEAT111 » Mon Jul 8, 2013 6:58 pm

OtW wrote:While we wait for worthwhile FA news and signings from this Heat team, here is a joke we all can laugh at :lol: :lol: :lol:
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"Do NOT rule out LeBron to the Knicks next summer.." - Stephen A. Smith



Not to fall into the nonsense of next summer. When LeBron joined the Heat, he had his store open "House of Hoops", someone asked him if he was considering New York and he said he had plans on New York.

But then he says But where am I at? And the crowd goes...MIAMI!!

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