WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

[Chitownbulls]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create. He plays good defense and can get the team in the offense. I don't see Kirk in our plans after this season, unless he's willing to take the min.

I'd keep Nate as the backup sg, he will be guarding backups then an bringing in that great energy that he does. It gives us good flexibility to an injury prone team.

[AAU Teammate]

I have an interesting bench mob suggestion for us:

Teague/Hinrich/Dunleavy/Gibson/[center]

Features two three point shooters. Also a good sized PG(Teague) and a SG known for his defense (Hinrich).

Last year Thibs showed his first willingness to go with two small guards, and in this case it's mitigated by their physicality and the fact that neither is a shrimp.

We may see something like this. Hell last year we saw everything. A key to it would be getting better defense from Dunleavy than we're expecting...and that's what Thibs got out of Marco and Kyle previously.

[Chitownbulls]

That bench would scare me. How are we going to score?

[Salo23]

Nate Robinson can drop 20pts on you any given night and your only paying him 1mil to do so. That's why you keep him. Plus when has a bulls team been healthy? Someone will go down with a injury an Nate will step right in.

Nate is also an iron man who despite playing with so much intensity and hustle never seems to get injured. One of the few guys on the team where you wouldn't have to say 'if only he could stay healthy'... he would definitely be a value contract for anything mmle and below.

[TylerB]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create. He plays good defense and can get the team in the offense. I don't see Kirk in our plans after this season, unless he's willing to take the min.

I'd keep Nate as the backup sg, he will be guarding backups then an bringing in that great energy that he does. It gives us good flexibility to an injury prone team.

Kirk can't shoot? He shot like 39% from 3 last year. Nate can't do anything but score and when he isn't scoring a lot he is hurting the team because of his limitations.

[Johnny Kilroy]

what is the latest on nate?

[TylerB]

That bench would scare me. How are we going to score?

Uh the same way we scored in 2011 when we had the best record in the NBA. Obviously in the playoffs the benches get shortened so Boozer/Deng/Rose would always be in

[awaxndau]

Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create.

I get it, you love scoring and you loved what Nate did for us in the playoffs. You can still feel that away without making bogus statements to prove your point.

Kirk can shoot, hes averaged more PPG than nate over his career so to say he cant score is not true.
Now is he as good as Nate at creating his own shot??? No
But basketball is more than just isolation/New york style scoring.

Kirk is better at everything else besides Iso scoring than Nate, How does that make Nate a better player???

And as far as last year, Nate wasnt a better player than Deng, Boozer, Noah, Gibson or Butler.

[dice]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year

this is completely false

[HomoSapien]

Is the general consensus that Kirk Hinrich had a good season last year or something? He was unbelievably bad during first half of the season in addition to be injured for 22 games and part of the playoffs. Why isn't there more expected out of this guy? He's capable of being a better player, we know this because we know him better than most fans. We should hold him to a higher standard, but for whatever reason he gets a bigger pass than anyone else on the roster. He's not old to the point where his game should have fallen apart. Sometimes it feels as some posters are desperate to convince others of Hinrich importance.

[dice]

Is the general consensus that Kirk Hinrich had a good season last year or something?

no. he was a poor starter and nate was a good bench player

[Ben]

Is the general consensus that Kirk Hinrich had a good season last year or something?

no. he was a poor starter and nate was a good bench player

Maybe so, but Nate outperformed his contract and Kirk underperformed his. I know that that's not what you're addressing, but maybe if the rest of us could just acknowledge that fact then we could dispense with at least SOME of the arguments.

[ChicagoStrong]

Kirk Hinrich - 2012-2013

At Rim: 30-58 (.517)



Jump Shot: 126-358 (.352)

[Ben]

How is the Kirk signing killing us when they value Kirk way more than they do Nate???
There's more to basketball than just scoring

Seriously? Your point is that because the front office valued Kirk at $8 mil over 2 years, therefore his contract can't be bad and it can't be hurting us?

Kirk's was a bad signing. We way overpaid. You can get 2 or 3 players for the same amount of money, guys who can fill the various roles that Kirk does but in a better and more efficient fashion. He's here now, so we may as well make the best possible use of him, but we don't need to pretend that he's on a value contract.

Not once did i mention anything about money

I believe they value Kirk more than Nate because of his defense, his ability to run the offence, the opportunity to play rose off the ball and his shooting. Add on that hes a very smart basketball player and is a leader in the locker room
You might not value those things much but i believe the bulls do
If you can show me a guy that can do all of that and was willing to take less then 4mil i would love to hear it

Read the posts again.

Chitownbulls wrote that Kirk is killing us because we paid him $4 million, which no other team would have done. (Actually, Milwaukee probably would have-- and we should have let them. They've made a bunch of other incredibly stupid financial decisions.)

You responded, "How is the Kirk signing killing us when they value Kirk way more than they do Nate???"

He had written that the Kirk signing is killing us BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. You denied it, on the grounds that the front office values Kirk more than Nate.

Thus my post to you.

To which you respond, "Not once did i mention anything about money," when the whole thing was about money.

AND then you proceed to mention money directly.

Differences of opinion are great; variety is the spice of life. But non-sensical posts and denials derail the discussion. Please don't go down that route.

[awaxndau]

Is the general consensus that Kirk Hinrich had a good season last year or something? He was unbelievably bad during first half of the season in addition to be injured for 22 games and part of the playoffs. Why isn't there more expected out of this guy? He's capable of being a better player, we know this because we know him better than most fans. We should hold him to a higher standard, but for whatever reason he gets a bigger pass than anyone else on the roster. He's not old to the point where his game should have fallen apart. Sometimes it feels as some posters are desperate to convince others of Hinrich importance.

No thats not it, he wasnt brought to start.
As a starter he showed he cant put up the numbers like he used to
He will be asked to play a totally different role this year, which will or at least should improve his overall play
Playing less minutes should allow him to stay healthy

[caribbean_cool]

Jazz turning their attention on John Lucas III. Hope they save us from not signing Lucas.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

The only reason I haven't been eager to bring back Nate is because I was hoping we would trade/sign and even better creator this offseason, one who would allow Kirk to play more PG than SG, and one who isn't a defensive liability every second he's on the court because of his height. But if that is to be, then I would certainly support bringing him back at the minimum(or his non-bird salary). If we could also get Brand and (I guess) Ellington at minimums, we'd be 15-deep:

Noah/Brand/Nazr
Boozer/Taj/Murphy
Deng/Dunleavy/Snell
Jimmy/Kirk/Ellington
Rose/Nate/Teague

Would we be happy with that?

[Chitownbulls]

PLEASE TAKE HIM

Jazz just lost Milsap an Jefferson for nothing, not sure if they are trying to tank or what? They could have brought in some good pieces to surround favors, kanter an Burke.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

PLEASE TAKE HIM

Jazz just lost Milsap an Jefferson for nothing, not sure if they are trying to tank or what? They could have brought in some good pieces to surround favors, kanter an Burke.

The Jazz are most assuredly tanking. They just accepted GSW white-hot trash and draft picks to complete their tank.

[TylerB]

Hinrich was brought in to play one role on a team and was forced into one that he obviously isn't going to be good at at this point in his career. Hes a third guard, not a lead guard.