WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

[HomoSapien]

No thats not it, he wasnt brought to start.
As a starter he showed he cant put up the numbers like he used to
He will be asked to play a totally different role this year, which will or at least should improve his overall play
Playing less minutes should allow him to stay healthy

Thinking he'll improve isn't actually based on anything. He's basically been getting worse and worse each year for a while now.

Kirk for the most part just "exists" when he's on the floor. On a good day he doesn't hurt you and he keeps his defender in check. Nate Robinson, on a good day actually makes things happen.

Again, we're not in an either-or situation here, so I'm not sure why the discussion has turned this way.

[dice]

Is the general consensus that Kirk Hinrich had a good season last year or something?

no. he was a poor starter and nate was a good bench player

Maybe so, but Nate outperformed his contract and Kirk underperformed his. I know that that's not what you're addressing, but maybe if the rest of us could just acknowledge that fact then we could dispense with at least SOME of the arguments.

nate certainly outperformed his min contract. and yes, kirk probably underperformed his, though i'm not sure how much more can be expected of a 4 mil vet FA as a starter

[OldSchoolNoBull]

You guys that are saying Kirk wasn't brought here to start are wrong, I think. I mean, Derrick's ACL was already torn when Kirk was signed, the Bulls expected Derrick to miss at least half the season, even if they didn't expect him to miss all of it. The Bulls' early estimate was March, I believe. Kirk was brought in to start for at least half the year and then move to the bench.

[HomoSapien]

PLEASE TAKE HIM

Jazz just lost Milsap an Jefferson for nothing, not sure if they are trying to tank or what? They could have brought in some good pieces to surround favors, kanter an Burke.

The Jazz are most assuredly tanking. They just accepted GSW white-hot trash and draft picks to complete their tank.

Even if they weren't tanking, that was the right move. They waited too long to give their young big guys minutes and both of them are really promising players.

[HomoSapien]

Hinrich was brought in to play one role on a team and was forced into one that he obviously isn't going to be good at at this point in his career. Hes a third guard, not a lead guard.

That's not true though. He was brought in to start while Rose recovered. There were also lots of chatter about how he would start next to Rose once he returned. The fact that the Bulls gave him a a two year contract pretty much suggests that the Bulls thought of him as being an important role player. So far, this isn't all that much better than the Hamilton signing.

[Chitownbulls]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create. He plays good defense and can get the team in the offense. I don't see Kirk in our plans after this season, unless he's willing to take the min.

I'd keep Nate as the backup sg, he will be guarding backups then an bringing in that great energy that he does. It gives us good flexibility to an injury prone team.

Kirk can't shoot? He shot like 39% from 3 last year. Nate can't do anything but score and when he isn't scoring a lot he is hurting the team because of his limitations.

There's a reason Bulls fans call him Captain Klank

[TylerB]

Hinrich was brought in to play one role on a team and was forced into one that he obviously isn't going to be good at at this point in his career. Hes a third guard, not a lead guard.

That's not true though. He was brought in to start while Rose recovered. There were also lots of chatter about how he would start next to Rose once he returned. The fact that the Bulls gave him a a two year contract pretty much suggests that the Bulls thought of him as being an important role player. So far, this isn't all that much better than the Hamilton signing.

He would also be fine playing next to Rose. Its a role he could do very well in. He was NOT brought in to be the lead guard, he just was the guy who had to fill that role. There was obviously a big plan where Rose was back and Hinrich was doing something else.

[OldSchoolNoBull]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create. He plays good defense and can get the team in the offense. I don't see Kirk in our plans after this season, unless he's willing to take the min.

I'd keep Nate as the backup sg, he will be guarding backups then an bringing in that great energy that he does. It gives us good flexibility to an injury prone team.

Kirk can't shoot? He shot like 39% from 3 last year. Nate can't do anything but score and when he isn't scoring a lot he is hurting the team because of his limitations.

There's a reason Bulls fans call him Captain Klank

I think this was the first time I've ever seen anyone call him Captain Klank.

[TylerB]

We're spending 4mil on Kirk Hinrich. 1 mil on Nate. Nate was by far the better player last year. Kirk can't shoot, score or create. He plays good defense and can get the team in the offense. I don't see Kirk in our plans after this season, unless he's willing to take the min.

I'd keep Nate as the backup sg, he will be guarding backups then an bringing in that great energy that he does. It gives us good flexibility to an injury prone team.

Kirk can't shoot? He shot like 39% from 3 last year. Nate can't do anything but score and when he isn't scoring a lot he is hurting the team because of his limitations.

There's a reason Bulls fans call him Captain Klank

He shot better from 3 than your hero nate robinson

[HomoSapien]

Kirk can't shoot? He shot like 39% from 3 last year. Nate can't do anything but score and when he isn't scoring a lot he is hurting the team because of his limitations.

There's a reason Bulls fans call him Captain Klank

He shot better from 3 than your hero nate robinson

Nice try, but no he didn't.

[HomoSapien]

He would also be fine playing next to Rose. Its a role he could do very well in. He was NOT brought in to be the lead guard, he just was the guy who had to fill that role. There was obviously a big plan where Rose was back and Hinrich was doing something else.

But we've already seen that combo and that whole year we complained about how we needed to get Rose some real perimeter help. Bringing back Kirk Hinrich was a lazy and uninspiring move.

[awaxndau]

No thats not it, he wasnt brought to start.
As a starter he showed he cant put up the numbers like he used to
He will be asked to play a totally different role this year, which will or at least should improve his overall play
Playing less minutes should allow him to stay healthy

Thinking he'll improve isn't actually based on anything. He's basically been getting worse and worse each year for a while now.

Kirk for the most part just "exists" when he's on the floor. On a good day he doesn't hurt you and he keeps his defender in check. Nate Robinson, on a good day actually makes things happen.

Again, we're not in an either-or situation here, so I'm not sure why the discussion has turned this way.

Kirk doesn't just "exists on the floor on on a good day
he keeps his man in check, runs the offense and shoots the open 3 at a very impressive percentage

If Nate isnt scoring, he's pretty useless

But you're right this isnt a either or situation, if the bulls thought Nate was a better player he would be on the roster and Kirk wouldn't

I dont know how it got to this point

[Mr Funk]

Our min offer vs. Golden State's min offer. Which would Nate take?

Our min is bigger than their min, but I don't know that the difference is meaningful.

We're the better team, but the Warriors are right there.

He established a real locker room connection in Chicago, but one of his closest compadres, RIP Hamilton, is now gone.

If the W's make no other backcourt additions, there should be more minutes available in Golden State.

We have the better offer with the 120% raise.

We're far better than Golden State. We're an elite team, they're just a very good team.

Nate is tight with Booze, Buckets and Taj. They're still here.

Kirk will be hurt, Teague is green. There will be minutes.

And we have Derrick Rose. Nate wants to play with him. And win a championship.

[Ralphb07]

GS is about to sign Speights, so the MMLE is about to be gone. To be honest it looks like Nate will have to decide between winning and money. All the winners will offer him pretty much what we can, it's the not so elite teams who still can pay him.

I also saw GS is looking at JL3

[RedBulls23]

If we don't bring back Nate, I wouldn't mind Mo Williams at the minimum.

[League Circles]

GS is about to sign Speights, so the MMLE is about to be gone. To be honest it looks like Nate will have to decide between winning and money. All the winners will offer him pretty much what we can, it's the not so elite teams who still can pay him.

I also saw GS is looking at JL3

The awesome thing we should remember is that we can pay Nate 20% more than any team not using cap space or their MMLE with his non-bird rights.

[RedBulls23]

GS is about to sign Speights, so the MMLE is about to be gone. To be honest it looks like Nate will have to decide between winning and money. All the winners will offer him pretty much what we can, it's the not so elite teams who still can pay him.

I also saw GS is looking at JL3

If this was a guy that already received his big pay day, I could see Nate coming back to win. But I think he will go to the highest bidder. I wouldn't blame him.

[League Circles]

Oops Mr. Funk beat me to that point. Yeah, I'm padding.

[Ben]

GS is about to sign Speights, so the MMLE is about to be gone. To be honest it looks like Nate will have to decide between winning and money. All the winners will offer him pretty much what we can, it's the not so elite teams who still can pay him.

I also saw GS is looking at JL3

If this was a guy that already received his big pay day, I could see Nate coming back to win. But I think he will go to the highest bidder. I wouldn't blame him.

No doubt, if someone offers multi millions over muti years, he has to take it. Only possible reason not to would be if we were the kind of team that would signal our intention quietly to use his Bird rights next year for a multi year deal.

But I think it's obvious that we're not going to do that.

[Ice the knees]

I have a feeling Nate will be back. There is definitely a role for him as well