The Official 2013 Nets Offseason Thread Part II

[PetroNet]

You know I wrote about him a week ago as being the ideal guy. But I believe someone will claim him off waivers with more than 3.2 mil. I think we would have had to deal for him and we dont have what they want.

I dont know, i think there is a good chance he clears it considering he is due 8M if claimed off waivers and likely only a contender would pay him given his antics and worth. He isnt really the veteran guy you want on a young team, and isnt someone putting you over the hump if you arent a top 5-8 team.

Out of:

miami, san antonio, okc, LAC, Brooklyn, Memphis, Indy, Chicago who has the cap room to even give him 8M?

taking a glance only the spurs and maybe indy could swing that salary. with indy it would be super tight if at all and i cant imagine they would ever want him back after that brawl in the stands. spurs? not sure pop wants to deal with him.

maybe cleveland??

IIIRC....a winning bid pays what they bid for an Amnestied player. LA pays the rest. So if someone bids 4 mil LA saves that cash but pays the balance of his salary.

High bid gets him. So if our top bid is 3.2...not likely we get him.

If I am remembering Amnesty incorrectly and someone wants to look it up, feel free to post it.

looking it up, you are correct. you can make a full waiver claim which automatically gets you the player, or a partial, which would go by highest bidder.

that said, looking at the same range of contenders, only indy and the spurs could outright bid more then 3.2M, and like i said i doubt indy would even consider it.

the others could use their MLE. im not sure they would. it certainly isnt out of the realm of possiblity that 3.2M could get him

[enetric]

What media though? I'll soften my stance on this if you guys cite someone other than NI and when the teams narrow on who's in the running for those free agents in 2016, if they somehow plan on being free agents by then.

On all that is holy...thank you Rich. I feel like I am losing my mind in this back and forth where everything is upside down in terms of logic and reason.

You know what Paradise and Zero? I cant keep going round and round about this nonsense. You guys just dont seem to get what i have been saying distorting something that me seems so incredibly obvious. Its like speaking to Nix fans on their board to be perfectly honest.

I have been coming here for years for a higher level of fan knowledge. And while I understand that the Brooklyn move means more traffic...that doesnt mean we should have to lower the standard of posters we have. That's what a board like ND is for. Its typical of an internet forum. THIS BOARD NEVER WAS even if we did have our trolls pass on through here and there.

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Let's get some things straight here:

1. YOU don't seem to get it. You have been wrong and be right about things but you seem to not know how to handle both with respect and maturity. You come off like a child who can't handle people don't have to like what you say. I haven't seen anyone defend you either. We are all talking about one topic and you consistently throw jabs at other posters for no reason.

2. You are the ONLY one who consistently gets into these nonsensical internet wars with posters over a topic and turn into a bashing section. Everyone else gets long perfectly.

3. You are the only one lowering the standard of posting here with these typical rants that result into a back and fourth argument. You tried to TROLL ME in that Andray Blatche re-sign thread and I ignored it. You have butthurt feelings towards NetsDaily? Fine, do not take that out on anyone who actually has something to say that YOU don't agree with.

Lets be very clear THAT THIS post by you just AMPED UP the personal side of this debate. I have been on message since my first post of the day. So Rich...JJ.... here is my reply to this half wit....

Paradouche,

I have actually been fairly polite to you for several weeks now. Yes I called you out and wanted to see if you would own up to some things you had said. And, I apologized for something in that thread I realized you HADNT said. Because unlike you, I will OWN UP. That's what a real man does.

But!

I cant take serious a guy with the lowest BBIQ on this board. You are in every way trolling a board I have been a core member of for years. So the only thing we need to get straight is that you are a clown. You are the TAX that comes with moving the Brooklyn. Riff Raff that we are forced to endure due to a bigger market.

You are Cliff Clavin at a Mensa meeting. And any time you fail to support one of your inane ramblings I will be able to smack you down while half asleep and reading Tolstoy. It takes no effort because you offer up no challenge.

And, any time you chose to go personal like you did in this post that I am quoting...yes, I will happily smack you down.

[enetric]

Let's get some things straight here:

1. YOU don't seem to get it. You have been wrong and be right about things but you seem to not know how to handle both with respect and maturity. You come off like a child who can't handle people don't have to like what you say. I haven't seen anyone defend you either. We are all talking about one topic and you consistently throw jabs at other posters for no reason.

it is hard for me to really comment on this... since im super guilty of not handling these things appropriately myself. But i do think it is a bit Hypocritical for you to be telling someone else they dont handle being right or wrong with respect and come off as a child when you have been quick to throw out insults and belittle others and carry on quite a bit in this regrard.

I am going to add onto this.

Without question I am an acerbic poster. And Petro just owned up to the same. Funny that arguably to two most intense posters on the board have had their battles yet seem to be getting along just fine for quite a while now. I am sure we will disagree in debate from time to time in the future. But do you know why I have backed off Petro and have even defended him of late? Why we have been able to have several quality and respectful debates? Because Smart...knows smart.

I finally realized that Petro "vents" and it confuses people. But underneath he actually "GETS IT". And I think he has started to figure me out as well.

What I am saying is...he earned my respect. As of today the nicest thing I can say about your contributions here is that you make nice game posts and sigs. Truly wish I could say more. But you throwing trash while posting trash just comes off as goofy.

[enetric]

Let's get some things straight here:

1. YOU don't seem to get it. You have been wrong and be right about things but you seem to not know how to handle both with respect and maturity. You come off like a child who can't handle people don't have to like what you say. I haven't seen anyone defend you either. We are all talking about one topic and you consistently throw jabs at other posters for no reason.

it is hard for me to really comment on this... since im super guilty of not handling these things appropriately myself. But i do think it is a bit Hypocritical for you to be telling someone else they dont handle being right or wrong with respect and come off as a child when you have been quick to throw out insults and belittle others and carry on quite a bit in this regrard.

When have I begun to continuously throw out insults to posters when they didn't see things my way? I've only defended my self in that situation.

Example: Plumlee got drafted, you hated it. I didn't like it but I knew he was the best player left. You said I should be a Knick fan because I didn't loathe the pick like you did and I love every move we make....I certainly didn't bash you, I said it doesn't make me less of a fan and you should just get over it already. I defended my stance and Plumlee now is slowly starting to look like a good pick.

This forum has a great group of posters. If we all don't agree, then there is a level of professionalism that should be kept. There shouldn't be any "idiot" or name calling thrown out because someone disagrees. Keep it moving. It's not the end of the world.

You have absolutely no ownership for the things you have said while a member of this board. You are right this is a great group and was one for many years long before you wandered in. Sadly, that does not include you because you do not seem to understand this game, this league, its cap, how to analyze stats...apply common sense to scenarios as they happen and think that you are simply a victim who is only defending himself despite several posts to the contrary.

Just in the last few posts...I was speaking about the issue with 2016.....and you opted to go the "you know what's wrong with you route" while simultaneously playing the victim.

I am accountable for the things I say and do...and I have owned up in print many times before. You thus far have not.

[enetric]

I dont know, i think there is a good chance he clears it considering he is due 8M if claimed off waivers and likely only a contender would pay him given his antics and worth. He isnt really the veteran guy you want on a young team, and isnt someone putting you over the hump if you arent a top 5-8 team.

Out of:

miami, san antonio, okc, LAC, Brooklyn, Memphis, Indy, Chicago who has the cap room to even give him 8M?

taking a glance only the spurs and maybe indy could swing that salary. with indy it would be super tight if at all and i cant imagine they would ever want him back after that brawl in the stands. spurs? not sure pop wants to deal with him.

maybe cleveland??

IIIRC....a winning bid pays what they bid for an Amnestied player. LA pays the rest. So if someone bids 4 mil LA saves that cash but pays the balance of his salary.

High bid gets him. So if our top bid is 3.2...not likely we get him.

If I am remembering Amnesty incorrectly and someone wants to look it up, feel free to post it.

looking it up, you are correct. you can make a full waiver claim which automatically gets you the player, or a partial, which would go by highest bidder.

that said, looking at the same range of contenders, only indy and the spurs could outright bid more then 3.2M, and like i said i doubt indy would even consider it.

the others could use their MLE. Im not sure they would. it certainly isnt out of the realm of possiblity that 3.2M could get him

I expect someone out there who has the cap space or a full MLE will throw in at least a 3.3 bid and see what happens. Say Denver?

MWP is a name. So I wouldnt be surprised to see a fringe team throw bid as well. Market him as their "get" o the off season, that kind of thing.

What teams still have more than 3.2 left of their MLE or cap space.

Anyone know for certain if you can you use a TE for an Amnesty claim? Too tired to look it up. If so, that could add a few more teams to the list.

Would still love to have him though.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

although, we all know they will have the last laugh. they will end up with wiggins and then like kevin love will demand a trade their and durant will sign with them for the MLE or something

So much pessimism...or realistic prediction. It is the Lakers.

As for what happened on the last page, here are my thoughts...
1.) E, for much of what I agree with, let's settle down.
2.) 2016 is still far off for NEARLY EVERY single team. For what we are in position to do, all of those teams can swoop in and take those free agents for themselves. Lots of factors in what we do alone for the next two offseasons affect it: What will the Nets do next offseason with Blatche's Bird Rights? Does Pierce have a great season this year, enough for King to extend him? Does the same happen with KG in two offseasons? Will Lopez get a new contract from the Nets? Does Deron stay and is good enough for the Nets to extend? Do the Nets find a taker for Joe Johnson's expiring? Will Mirza play unbelievably well for a nice new contract? And those questions are all about the Nets. That's not even counting on the players or the rest of the league.
3.) NI is not a source unless he's cites sources. For all of his speculation and "the people" he talks to, he's the same as any fan until either someone actually proves he's paid by the Nets organization or one of his sources comes out.

NIs source is Bobby Marks. They feed him info as long as he tows the line on the Nets agenda. I know this because I had dinner with Bobby Marks, NI, 3pt chucker, Elone, M I K E.

When Morrow and Jordan Williams were on the Nets he defended them whenever I would criticize them. Now that they are gone he acts like he always thought they were scrubs. Last year when Livingston was available mid season I suggested that we sign him to which he poo pooed Livingston as done. Now he has his "Livingston is great" pom poms out like the good lap dog he is.

He deletes alot of post that are critical of the Nets even though they dont violate any of the sites rules. The worst is when they ban people and then go on to insult them knowing they cant rebut.

The Mirza stories are the worst. Whenever he slumped last year he would manufacture some story about how hard he had it growing up in war or how he was adjusting in an effort to appease the FO.

As long as he plays the part of the puppet(censoring criticism, planting puff pieces, directing pro Net opinion, etc) , they will continue to give him the inside scoop knowing that ND will be the dominate Nets blog. He sold his credibility for access. plain and simple.

[enetric]

See? Everyone with a platform has an agenda. Cant stay in business without one. Its simple politics.

Thank you for sharing that.

[Paradise]

If the Cavs sign Bynum to that 2 year 24 million deal, wouldn't that take them out of the potential landing spot for AK47?

There is no news on anyone who is looking at him or willing to pay him alot. We should atleast reach out to his agent and see if he would be interested in taking the mini MLE for 1 year if the Bojan deal falls apart. The market is drying up alot right now for him.

[PetroNet]

IIIRC....a winning bid pays what they bid for an Amnestied player. LA pays the rest. So if someone bids 4 mil LA saves that cash but pays the balance of his salary.

High bid gets him. So if our top bid is 3.2...not likely we get him.

If I am remembering Amnesty incorrectly and someone wants to look it up, feel free to post it.

looking it up, you are correct. you can make a full waiver claim which automatically gets you the player, or a partial, which would go by highest bidder.

that said, looking at the same range of contenders, only indy and the spurs could outright bid more then 3.2M, and like i said i doubt indy would even consider it.

the others could use their MLE. Im not sure they would. it certainly isnt out of the realm of possiblity that 3.2M could get him

I expect someone out there who has the cap space or a full MLE will throw in at least a 3.3 bid and see what happens. Say Denver?

MWP is a name. So I wouldnt be surprised to see a fringe team throw bid as well. Market him as their "get" o the off season, that kind of thing.

What teams still have more than 3.2 left of their MLE or cap space.

Anyone know for certain if you can you use a TE for an Amnesty claim? Too tired to look it up. If so, that could add a few more teams to the list.

Would still love to have him though.

can only use a TE in a trade... even if MWP cleared waivers, the lakers couldnt trade him since he would already have been amnestied.

im not sure who has used all/parts of their MLE, ill try and find it.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

See? Everyone with a platform has an agenda. Cant stay in business without one. Its simple politics.

Thank you for sharing that.

He was probably s*itting his pants until BK got his contract renewed. He would have lost his pipeline to the insider info.

He doesnt get paid much of a salary for moderating ND but I bet he gets a lot of perks (free tickets, locker room access, FO access, etc)

Dont get me wrong, NI does a good job with that site. But the way he goes about managing it is a joke. GM Jigga gets to insult everyone on there and selectively enforces the site rules. Its like mccarthyism. I got a warning once for the response someone put on my post. The warning came with a explanation saying that it wasnt really a warning but I should have known what kind of response I would have created by posting what I did. I had a couple other warnings that were downplayed as nothing. It turns out that they reference the number of warning someone has as justification for banning someone. The whole time they were trying to brow beat me into saying what they wanted me to say. The last post NI responded to me with was "do you want to get banned, I can make it happen" in an attempt to bully me. I then directly quoted him doing exactly the same thing he was telling me not to do and that's how I ended up here. The funny part is that not to long after I was banned from there I was on a different Sports Nation blog that NI put on the front page. I told everyone what happened and Tom Lorenzo asked me to contact him about what was going on and not to air our dirty laundry on other blogs. Here is the transcript, I blocked out my email but everything else is exactly what was written

DWOG
2/23/13
To: tom.lorenzo@gmail.com


Thank you for getting back to me Tom. Normally a warning or a ban comes with some kind of explanation. I didnt stop being a diehard Nets fan. I still post on other sites but Nets Daily is my favorite because it is well ran for the most part. I like that ND doesnt allow cursing or personal attacks.

If you follow the posting for what I was banned for It's obvious that I was joking with 3ptchucker. NI jokes with him in the same manner all the time as you can see below.

http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/1/30/3934 ... #141486341

Where is NI tonight? - 3pt Chucker
->He only post when the Nets win - ME
--->Would you liked to be banned? I can arrange it. That IS a personal attack. - Net Income

Obviously NI was touchy about that for some reason that night but is threatening to ban me necessary other then to assert dominance? I quoted him doing the exact same thing

http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/11/27/369 ... #129673617

I dont think MrDollarBills is banned. 3pt Chucker can post freely. He just doesnt after wins. - Net Income

And now we are where we are. Do I think it's petty? Of course it is and I know you have better things to do then deal with this. But I would like an explanation as to why I am banned if your not going to lift it. I think that is only fair.

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:28:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: Dwill-of-the-Godz
> From: tom.lorenzo@gmail.com
> To:
>
> Hey Frank,
>
> Glad you reached out... I'm going to talk to NI about this... I really
> can't speak for him. But, I will talk to him about it. (I've been out
> of town for the week, so sorry its taken me a while to get back to
> you).
>
> Again, the idea isn't to censor any of your basketball-related
> thoughts or comments. We just can't tolerate any name calling or
> cussing -- and I'm not saying you're prone to do that. The problem we
> have sometimes is people come to the site and start trolling or
> calling each other names, we get that, but some people also come to
> the site who may not know the game as well as you or some of the other
> top posters on our site do. So, to that end, we can't just tell
> everyone who isn't as well-versed in the team to STFU or call them a
> troll, etc. It's a weird ass balance we're trying to find. And I know
> that's a separate topic than what you and NI went on about, but my
> point is we do have moderators who are keeping an eye on all the
> comments that come across.
>
> Let me talk to NI.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:20 PM, DWOG wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > You said to email you regarding my ban. I dont know what to say here other
> > then there was no reason to ban me.
> >
> > Net Income tried to say I personally attacked him when I said he only post
> > after wins. This was in the postgame thread for the Heat game. He said I was
> > personally attacking him and that if I kept it up he would ban me. I
> > responded with a direct quote of him doing the same thing and said "I guess
> > it's only a personal attack if your not the moderator"
> >
> > The real issue I think that is underlying this whole event is how vocal I
> > have been about Mirza Teletovic. Im not drinking the kool aid and he has a
> > problem with that. Check some of the back and forth he has had with me.
> >
> > http://www.netsdaily.com/2013/1/5/38407 ... #136337969
> >
> > I dont have a problem with him needling me like he did in the above post.
> > It's part of sports talk. But when I do it back he bans me? That's bull.
> >
> > I do enjoy posting on NetsDaily though. Ive been one of the most active
> > members of the community for the last couple of years. I would like to post
> > on the site again but Im not going to filter what I have to say to appease
> > anyone.

Figured I would share this with everyone to show how full of S*it they are.






Real GM might not be the prettiest blog but Rich does a great job with being fair and letting everyone have an opinion. I know he disagrees with alot of my opinions but he does try to control what is read on here.

[Paradise]

You have absolutely no ownership for the things you have said while a member of this board. You are right this is a great group and was one for many years long before you wandered in. Sadly, that does not include you because you do not seem to understand this game, this league, its cap, how to analyze stats...apply common sense to scenarios as they happen and think that you are simply a victim who is only defending himself despite several posts to the contrary.

You continue to prove my point. Good job.

Just in the last few posts...I was speaking about the issue with 2016.....and you opted to go the "you know what's wrong with you route" while simultaneously playing the victim.

And aren't you playing the victim with this exact post? In fact, where in my last post did I make myself a victim? I called you out on the things you do that derails threads. You did it in that Blatche re-signs thread and you continue to do it now.

You also forget to include the part where you mentioned me and DarkX in the post which is why I replied to that.

I am accountable for the things I say and do...and I have owned up in print many times before. You thus far have not.

Accountable, really? If you were you would stop what you are doing. Me being held accountable? You don't see me calling anyone an idiot on here or saying "you don't know or understand the league like I do" but I'm the douche?

If anyone on this board had any personal issues with me or felt disrespected I urge them to speak up and be open about it or PM me and I've said that before. It's supposed to be a civil forum. You don't seem to know how to do that without getting on an emotional rant. If you did you would just move along and not rely with these " you aren't smart as me!" attempts as a rebuttal.

If you have such a problem with me, there is an ignore button. I think I'll gladly put it to use myself. All I'm saying is, you can make a point without having to result to insults and childish nonsense. It's unnecessary. But I will let you know, this will be the last time I reply or feed into your posts. With that being said, let's stay on topic...


The whole 2016 thing is far away, you are right about it and anything can happen by then but It's still pretty interesting and harmless to entertain and think about. The league is already talking about Melo to the Lakers or LeBron to Cleveland in a year from now, It's really no different. It's the off-season and we are all patiently waiting for July 12th, nobody will even care about 2015-16 once October rolls around.

[Ronito]

Any talk about other forums, specifically Nets Daily, is strictly prohibited on Realgm's Nets forum and will be considered officially as spam from this point onward. Any member found referencing any forum outside of Realgm's Nets Forum, including "that other Nets forum" will receive one warning via private message. Any infraction of this forum rule there after will result in an automatic suspension

I could've sworn that's a rule...

[jeff1624]

So artest will be amnestied. Its unlikely but it would be an interesting signing.

[Basileus777]

Any talk about other forums, specifically Nets Daily, is strictly prohibited on Realgm's Nets forum and will be considered officially as spam from this point onward. Any member found referencing any forum outside of Realgm's Nets Forum, including "that other Nets forum" will receive one warning via private message. Any infraction of this forum rule there after will result in an automatic suspension

I could've sworn that's a rule...

The rules don't seem to apply to this thread. Stuff has been said here that would get you banned anywhere else on the board, it doesn't seem to matter. But thankfully we have strictly enforced thread merging to prevent any discussion from escaping this nonsense!

[enetric]

You have absolutely no ownership for the things you have said while a member of this board. You are right this is a great group and was one for many years long before you wandered in. Sadly, that does not include you because you do not seem to understand this game, this league, its cap, how to analyze stats...apply common sense to scenarios as they happen and think that you are simply a victim who is only defending himself despite several posts to the contrary.

You continue to prove my point. Good job.

Just in the last few posts...I was speaking about the issue with 2016.....and you opted to go the "you know what's wrong with you route" while simultaneously playing the victim.

And aren't you playing the victim with this exact post? In fact, where in my last post did I make myself a victim? I called you out on the things you do that derails threads. You did it in that Blatche re-signs thread and you continue to do it now.

You also forget to include the part where you mentioned me and DarkX in the post which is why I replied to that.

I am accountable for the things I say and do...and I have owned up in print many times before. You thus far have not.

Accountable, really? If you were you would stop what you are doing. Me being held accountable? You don't see me calling anyone an idiot on here or saying "you don't know or understand the league like I do" but I'm the douche?

If anyone on this board had any personal issues with me or felt disrespected I urge them to speak up and be open about it or PM me and I've said that before. It's supposed to be a civil forum. You don't seem to know how to do that without getting on an emotional rant. If you did you would just move along and not rely with these " you aren't smart as me!" attempts as a rebuttal.

If you have such a problem with me, there is an ignore button. I think I'll gladly put it to use myself. All I'm saying is, you can make a point without having to result to insults and childish nonsense. It's unnecessary. But I will let you know, this will be the last time I reply or feed into your posts. With that being said, let's stay on topic...

First off...all you had to do tonight was simply STAY OUT of it. No one was speaking to you. In fact I have been giving you a wide berth of late. Allowing you to meander along contributing nonsense unscathed.

But...you jumped in where it was unwarranted. You threw the shots at me and I replied...lets not get it mixed up.

All you had to do was shut your mouth and stay out of it. But you are here to troll my board and couldnt resist. Most likely you got kicked off ND and we got stuck with you. If not...for the life of me I cant understand why you are still here. This board is so vastly over your head and you are resistant to learning.

BTW I doubt you rub too many people here the wrong way because I doubt anyone really notices you at all. You simply dont bring much to the table. But I find ignorance on the level you deliver it, an insult to my senses the way some people react to nails on a chalk board. Your biggest claim to fame to anyone who has been part of the RealGM community for any length of time? You will be referred to as...the latest troll E had to attend to.

[enetric]

looking it up, you are correct. you can make a full waiver claim which automatically gets you the player, or a partial, which would go by highest bidder.

that said, looking at the same range of contenders, only indy and the spurs could outright bid more then 3.2M, and like i said i doubt indy would even consider it.

the others could use their MLE. Im not sure they would. it certainly isnt out of the realm of possiblity that 3.2M could get him

I expect someone out there who has the cap space or a full MLE will throw in at least a 3.3 bid and see what happens. Say Denver?

MWP is a name. So I wouldnt be surprised to see a fringe team throw bid as well. Market him as their "get" o the off season, that kind of thing.

What teams still have more than 3.2 left of their MLE or cap space.

Anyone know for certain if you can you use a TE for an Amnesty claim? Too tired to look it up. If so, that could add a few more teams to the list.

Would still love to have him though.

can only use a TE in a trade... even if MWP cleared waivers, the lakers couldnt trade him since he would already have been amnestied.

im not sure who has used all/parts of their MLE, ill try and find it.

I wasnt suggesting LA trade him after Amnesty. I know they cannot do that.

I was wondering if there is a clause that allows a team to use an exception beyond eMLE or MMLE to use to CLAIM an amnesty guy.

Wouldnt be shocked to see that. You cant add contracts to a TPE in trade. But that wasnt what I was referring to.

Anyway, I expect he will go to a team with a full MLE and he will go for a about 3.5-4.5mil and we miss out.

Also, what happens if multiple teams posts the same claim.

So we put in for him, Nix put in, SA, Miami etc. Is it record? Is it payroll? I forget the tie breaker rules.

[enetric]

If the Cavs sign Bynum to that 2 year 24 million deal, wouldn't that take them out of the potential landing spot for AK47?

There is no news on anyone who is looking at him or willing to pay him alot. We should atleast reach out to his agent and see if he would be interested in taking the mini MLE for 1 year if the Bojan deal falls apart. The market is drying up alot right now for him.

I cannot imagine he wont get at least the 4 year 24 mil type of offer. And if not..I can see him going back to Russia for more. Would be awesome to get him. But I would bet we made that call already.

[Ronito]

Any talk about other forums, specifically Nets Daily, is strictly prohibited on Realgm's Nets forum and will be considered officially as spam from this point onward. Any member found referencing any forum outside of Realgm's Nets Forum, including "that other Nets forum" will receive one warning via private message. Any infraction of this forum rule there after will result in an automatic suspension

I could've sworn that's a rule...

The rules don't seem to apply to this thread. Stuff has been said here that would get you banned anywhere else on the board, it doesn't seem to matter. But thankfully we have strictly enforced thread merging to prevent any discussion from escaping this nonsense!

Which is why I make maybe 5 posts a week.