So about that Mason Plumlee

[Fiktion]

It is just Summer League but I think there's no denying that his fundamentals are rock solid.

As far as potential goes he showed us a bit of everything between yesterday and today. I'm sure everyone has seen the big drunk already, but he dug deep into the bag of tricks today. Sky hook. Dream shake. A jumper. Then there's the court vision, the athleticism, the speed and the handles. All impressive. He's definitely THE one to watch on a weak Summer League team.

Yesterday Vs. Pistons and Drummond

10 Points
3-5 Shooting
4-6 FT
14 Rebounds
0 Assists
1 Block

5 Turnovers
3 Fouls

Today Vs. Heat

23 Points
8-8 Shooting
7-11 FT
9 Rebounds
3 Assists
1 Block

4 Turnovers
0 Fouls

I think he was a steal. He could be a productive rotation player this season. We're deep at the 4 and 5, maybe it's time to start thinking about trading Evans/Teletovic for some proven wings.

[N Ireland Nets]

He isn't likely to get much time on the floor atm but if he keeps up with his fundamentally sound game he could be a decent backup.

Time will tell but if he turns into a solid back up it's a win for us with a pick at 22 overall.

So far I like his hustle, effort & athleticism but his biggest surprise is that he's shown some nice moves in the post along with some good passing.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of him but time will tell.

[Keith Van Horn]

The pick was really insurance if Blatche left I feel.

When Blatche does leave the Nets in a year or more, however, I hope MP will be a serviceable backup big.

[PetroNet]

I think big men, more then any position, in summer league, cant be judged. there is simply no size at all in summer league. In the NBA most PF's are bigger then anything you will see in summer league. some SF's are bigger then the Centers you will see in summer league. the overall size and strength in the league vs summer league is a massive difference.

Plumlee looked good, but im not sure he is spinning and dunking on hibbert, going up over the top of asik, or outbodying noah for position.

We have toko and Sutton eating up PF minutes. The one game we played against NBA size...drummond, he owned the paint with 8 offensive rebounds, 6 blocks and 4 dunks.

all of this isnt a knock on plumlee, just giving it some perspective. this isnt any indication of what he will and wont be in the NBA.

[DarkXaero]

I think big men, more then any position, in summer league, cant be judged. there is simply no size at all in summer league. In the NBA most PF's are bigger then anything you will see in summer league. some SF's are bigger then the Centers you will see in summer league. the overall size and strength in the league vs summer league is a massive difference.

Plumlee looked good, but im not sure he is spinning and dunking on hibbert, going up over the top of asik, or outbodying noah for position.

We have toko and Sutton eating up PF minutes. The one game we played against NBA size...drummond, he owned the paint with 8 offensive rebounds, 6 blocks and 4 dunks.

all of this isnt a knock on plumlee, just giving it some perspective. this isnt any indication of what he will and wont be in the NBA.

He went up against Drummond in his first game and did a respectable job. He went up against a 6' 11" center today and another athletic 6' 9" shot blocker. I wouldn't call any of them undersized. I've like the explosiveness, handles, transition game and some of the rebounding that I've seen from Plumlee. But there are other concerns.

His positioning on defense isn't very good. A lot of times, he isn't where he's supposed to be on defense. Even if the other team misses the shot, this allows them to get an offensive rebound. His low post defense seems very solid, especially when he played Drummond, but he needs to get a little bit stronger. On offense, he tends to bring the ball too low and that allows defenders to strip him easily. Sometimes, it results in fouls (as defenders reach in for the strip) so that helps but that's still a fundamental mistake. Anyway, all these mistakes and faults are correctable with coaching, and if KG mentors him, that would be great.

As I said before, I like his explosiveness in finishing, the ball handling ability, transition game, low post defense, passing out of the post, rebounding in traffic and it's nice that he has some post moves. Hopefully, he turns out to be a great pick.

[PetroNet]

He went up against Drummond in his first game and did a respectable job. He went up against a 6' 11" center today and another athletic 6' 9" shot blocker. I wouldn't call any of them undersized. I've like the explosiveness, handles, transition game and some of the rebounding that I've seen from Plumlee. But there are other concerns.

we must have been watching different games. Drummond dominated that first game. He either through down a vicious dunk or had to be fouled anytime he touched it in the paint. He dominated us on the offensive glass, and blocked 6 shots. no one held their own against him, he did whatever he wanted.

and no, miami had no size today. having a frail tweener with leaping ability isnt size. having a 6'11" beanpole who is alregic to the paint and didnt once try and post up isnt size. and it is silly to even imply either of those players are anything close to NBA bigs. there is a reason neither is signed to an NBA roster.

As I said before, I like his explosiveness in finishing, the ball handling ability, transition game, low post defense, passing out of the post, rebounding in traffic and it's nice that he has some post moves. Hopefully, he turns out to be a great pick.

all of that is irrelevant.... not that it isnt true, just that you cant say one way or another if he is able to do those things against NBA PFs and Centers compared to tweeners in the summer league. Especially after watching drummond absolutely dominate the paint

[DarkXaero]

Drummond shot an abysmal 5-14 from the field. He couldn't do anything against Plumlee in the post if you actually watched the game. All of his 5 field goals were putbacks or open dunks. Drummond looked horrendous whenever he received the ball in the post. Drummond was dominant on the defensive end where he was looking like Dwight with his rim protection. Drummond especially abused Plumlee's backups. So actually you weren't watching the right game.

You talked about the lack of size in Summer League and when I brought up the fact that Plumlee has actually faced NBA size big men, you went in damage control mode. No one is overanalyzing the Summer League. The fact is that Plumlee will be our third center in the rotation and will likely be going up against complete scrubs in the few minutes he plays. No one's talking about Plumlee going up against Dwight Howard or Marc Gasol ffs because that's not even going to happen. Even then, Plumlee actually played a legit NBA center in Drummond in his first game and did a respectable job. 10 points, 14 rebounds in just 30 minutes is a job well done.

[enetric]

I think SL in general tells you very little about your rooks and 2nd year players. Fun to watch but its a group of college's best players playing against the rest of the best college players of the last two seasons as well as some Euro prospects.

Was Plumlee a good college player? Yes. Will be able to take his game to the next level? Who knows.

SL can exaggerate the true talent of guys who have the ball in their hands. Those guys can have huge box scores that inflate expectations. And year to year you wont see many top flight big men. Drummond is a nice prospect with upside...but is he a finished product?

Hopefully Plumlee can play a role for us. If he can do more...great. Late picks are always long shots anyway.

Look at it this way. We had several roles to fill in the off season. Would you have prefer that the guy we got a 22 absolutely HAD to be ready to be the back up PG? Or that he was the 3rd PG and TT had to be ready to take on that role? Guys... would you rather the #22 rook be a third string center and we added a veteran PG who has learned a thing or two about playing in the NBA?

[2Mas]

Garnett-Evans-Toko
Lopez-Blatche-Plumlee

Guys have a lot of different types of big. Gonna be a great year for you guys.

[bobbyc]

I like Plum. Solid Athleticism. No pressure to contribute immediately, so he can focus on getting better all around.

He probably won't contribute this year. But, in the future he could turn out to be a decent C.

It's the perfect situation for him though.

[Trader_Joe]

I have a feeling he will get more minutes than we think.

KG will play well under 30mpg and miss games throughout the season.
Lopez played only 30mpg last season and has foot issues.
Teletovic is still an unknown player
Evans is hopefully traded.

Plus Plumlee can really play along side any of Lopez, KG, Blatche or Teletovic IMO.
He might be able to play next to Evans but they would be anemic offensively and a major risk defensively.

He's also a smart player and our most athletic big man by a wide margin.

[HelloBrooklyn]

This guy is so weak and his wingspan sucks... He won't do anything this year unless he adds at least 20 pounds of muscle. No way in hell he is 240. He looks so small when you compare him to summer league players and that's not a good comparison when you are talking about the NBA.

[BK nets BK]

This guy is so weak and his wingspan sucks... He won't do anything this year unless he adds at least 20 pounds of muscle. No way in hell he is 240. He looks so small when you compare him to summer league players and that's not a good comparison when you are talking about the NBA.

He looked small next to Drummond, everyone looks small next to him

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[PetroNet]

I have a feeling he will get more minutes than we think.

KG will play well under 30mpg and miss games throughout the season.
Lopez played only 30mpg last season and has foot issues.
Teletovic is still an unknown player
Evans is hopefully traded.

Plus Plumlee can really play along side any of Lopez, KG, Blatche or Teletovic IMO.
He might be able to play next to Evans but they would be anemic offensively and a major risk defensively.

He's also a smart player and our most athletic big man by a wide margin.

KG is playing a minimum 25 mpg. Evans is getting 12-15M. Blatche is getting 20+ minutes. Lopes is playing a minimum 28 minutes. Mirza will get anytime they can concievable find for him.

Plumlee will get similar burn to what taylor and toko go last year unless someone gets injured

[Trader_Joe]

I have a feeling he will get more minutes than we think.

KG will play well under 30mpg and miss games throughout the season.
Lopez played only 30mpg last season and has foot issues.
Teletovic is still an unknown player
Evans is hopefully traded.

Plus Plumlee can really play along side any of Lopez, KG, Blatche or Teletovic IMO.
He might be able to play next to Evans but they would be anemic offensively and a major risk defensively.

He's also a smart player and our most athletic big man by a wide margin.

KG is playing a minimum 25 mpg. Evans is getting 12-15M. Blatche is getting 20+ minutes. Lopes is playing a minimum 28 minutes. Mirza will get anytime they can concievable find for him.

Plumlee will get similar burn to what taylor and toko go last year unless someone gets injured

Which someone will.
I also would not be surprised if Evans is moved.

Assuming he does...

KG (25) / Blatche (10) / Teletovic (13)
Lopez (30) / Blatche (12) / Plumlee (6)

Could be the minutes, roughly, with again injuries and foul trouble to take into account.
That also assumes Teletovic should see the light of day. He will get a chance, but that doesn't mean he will make the most of it.

[PetroNet]

I have a feeling he will get more minutes than we think.

KG will play well under 30mpg and miss games throughout the season.
Lopez played only 30mpg last season and has foot issues.
Teletovic is still an unknown player
Evans is hopefully traded.

Plus Plumlee can really play along side any of Lopez, KG, Blatche or Teletovic IMO.
He might be able to play next to Evans but they would be anemic offensively and a major risk defensively.

He's also a smart player and our most athletic big man by a wide margin.

KG is playing a minimum 25 mpg. Evans is getting 12-15M. Blatche is getting 20+ minutes. Lopes is playing a minimum 28 minutes. Mirza will get anytime they can concievable find for him.

Plumlee will get similar burn to what taylor and toko go last year unless someone gets injured

Which someone will.
I also would not be surprised if Evans is moved.

Assuming he does...

KG (25) / Blatche (10) / Teletovic (13)
Lopez (30) / Blatche (12) / Plumlee (6)

Could be the minutes, roughly, with again injuries and foul trouble to take into account.
That also assumes Teletovic should see the light of day. He will get a chance, but that doesn't mean he will make the most of it.

if evans is traded another big is likely either aquired in the deal or signed afterwards to play behind teletovic. But, its pretty unlikely evans is moved, given he is one of the only above average defensive rebounders on the roster, and defensive rebounding looks to be one of if not our biggest weakness this season.

We would also probably go small before giving plumlee two 3 minute shifts

[Trader_Joe]

if evans is traded another big is likely either aquired in the deal or signed afterwards to play behind teletovic. But, its pretty unlikely evans is moved, given he is one of the only above average defensive rebounders on the roster, and defensive rebounding looks to be one of if not our biggest weakness this season.

We would also probably go small before giving plumlee two 3 minute shifts

I don't agree.
If Evans is traded, it's for a defensive wing and it's been stated numerous time by NI they don't want to fill that 15th roster spot as it would cost $4m and leaving it open leaves some flexibility.

As for defensive rebounding.. Plumlee looks to be a very good rebounder as are Blatche and KG.

[PetroNet]

if evans is traded another big is likely either aquired in the deal or signed afterwards to play behind teletovic. But, its pretty unlikely evans is moved, given he is one of the only above average defensive rebounders on the roster, and defensive rebounding looks to be one of if not our biggest weakness this season.

We would also probably go small before giving plumlee two 3 minute shifts

I don't agree.
If Evans is traded, it's for a defensive wing and it's been stated numerous time by NI they don't want to fill that 15th roster spot as it would cost $4m and leaving it open leaves some flexibility.

As for defensive rebounding.. Plumlee looks to be a very good rebounder as are Blatche and KG.

Plumlee was a good defensive rebounder in college. he was a good defensive rebounder in summer league. but thats not the NBA. so, its not really saying much. lopez was a good defensive rebounder in college too.

KG is a good defensive rebounder, Blatche is average at best (18.9%). KG also rebounded significantly better defensively at the 5 position as opposed to the 4, and will probably play 25-28 minutes. If Evans isnt on this team and its lopez out their with mirza or blatche we could and very likely will get pounded on the defensive glass. Celtics got destroyed on the glass last year... especially when KG left the floor or moved to PF. Evans is an important piece. He may steal rebounds and pad them, but even if you factor that in and take away a few, he had statistically one of the best defensive rebounding seasons in league history. Rodman-like.

[CalamityX12]

I wouldn't worry about Plumlee's defensive rebounding... that would be one of, if not, the top priority for him when in the game whether he's with Blatche or Lopez or KG.... Control the boards, run on the fast breaks and finish around the rim....

I wouldn't be mad if he was given big backup minutes as long as its not hindering us severely...

BTW, still don't like the pick for the record... lol but what's done is done.

[Trader_Joe]

if evans is traded another big is likely either aquired in the deal or signed afterwards to play behind teletovic. But, its pretty unlikely evans is moved, given he is one of the only above average defensive rebounders on the roster, and defensive rebounding looks to be one of if not our biggest weakness this season.

We would also probably go small before giving plumlee two 3 minute shifts

I don't agree.
If Evans is traded, it's for a defensive wing and it's been stated numerous time by NI they don't want to fill that 15th roster spot as it would cost $4m and leaving it open leaves some flexibility.

As for defensive rebounding.. Plumlee looks to be a very good rebounder as are Blatche and KG.

Plumlee was a good defensive rebounder in college. he was a good defensive rebounder in summer league. but thats not the NBA. so, its not really saying much. lopez was a good defensive rebounder in college too.

KG is a good defensive rebounder, Blatche is average at best (18.9%). KG also rebounded significantly better defensively at the 5 position as opposed to the 4, and will probably play 25-28 minutes. If Evans isnt on this team and its lopez out their with mirza or blatche we could and very likely will get pounded on the defensive glass. Celtics got destroyed on the glass last year... especially when KG left the floor or moved to PF. Evans is an important piece. He may steal rebounds and pad them, but even if you factor that in and take away a few, he had statistically one of the best defensive rebounding seasons in league history. Rodman-like.

I get this feeling no matter what I say you will always say the opposite. I know you already had your mind made up about Plumlee and hated the pick but...all I'm saying is this..

I think Plumlee will see more PT than expected since he can play along side whoever and can rebound which is "usually" a translatable skill. KG will play limited minutes, Lopez doesn't play a ton of minutes, Teletovic has to show he deserves minutes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Evans is moved. If he is it will probably be for a defensive wing and I don't see another big or 15th roster spot filled as sources have said. I also worry he could become a distraction if he's not getting PT.

I am not worrying about rebounding with this team, nor did I last year. Size matters. We have a huge team and were #2 in overall rebound % and rebound differential. Yes we can get better of the defensive glass, but if that cost is playing Evans minutes over KG, Lopez, or Blatche, no thanks. Rather see Plumlee get the minutes.