The Official 2013 Nets Offseason Thread Part II (Take 2)

[Rich Rane]

Due to a few reports from a poster not related to the confrontations from the other thread, I've been forced to start a new one. Because of the derailment of that thread, I'd hate to baby you further as I thought you all would either police yourselves and not get offended easily, but jj and I must enforce a few new rules.

- Let's leave the personal attacks out. This board is full of different opinions, but when it comes down to it, I'd like to believe we're all Nets fans and not trolls.
- Please read viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1248210 . I'd like to think jj and I have been and are lenient to all the regulars here, regardless of seniority, but now we'll be handing out warnings and if it comes down to it, suspensions.
- All offseason discussion should go in this thread. Nets signings with accurate sources that have gone official may receive their own threads.
- Do us a favor and not comment on these rules further. If you need to or complain about anything above, PM me or jj, just leave it out of this thread.

[treiz]

NIs source is Bobby Marks. They feed him info as long as he tows the line on the Nets agenda. I know this because I had dinner with Bobby Marks, NI, 3pt chucker, Elone, M I K E.

When Morrow and Jordan Williams were on the Nets he defended them whenever I would criticize them. Now that they are gone he acts like he always thought they were scrubs. Last year when Livingston was available mid season I suggested that we sign him to which he poo pooed Livingston as done. Now he has his "Livingston is great" pom poms out like the good lap dog he is.

He deletes alot of post that are critical of the Nets even though they dont violate any of the sites rules. The worst is when they ban people and then go on to insult them knowing they cant rebut.

The Mirza stories are the worst. Whenever he slumped last year he would manufacture some story about how hard he had it growing up in war or how he was adjusting in an effort to appease the FO.

As long as he plays the part of the puppet(censoring criticism, planting puff pieces, directing pro Net opinion, etc) , they will continue to give him the inside scoop knowing that ND will be the dominate Nets blog. He sold his credibility for access. plain and simple.

Just wanted to quote DWilloftheGodz here, and thank him for the insight

[PetroNet]

E- from the end of the last topic...

Also, what happens if multiple teams posts the same claim.

So we put in for him, Nix put in, SA, Miami etc. Is it record? Is it payroll? I forget the tie breaker rules.

Tiebreaker is regular season record. if it is the offseason, it goes back to the prior seasons record.

Also, there is one exception you CAN use to waive a player - the disabled player exception. to my knowledge, no team holds this currently. The amount of the disabled player exception would be the full MLE or the 50% of the players salary - whichever is LOWER.

Also, there seems to be conflicting info. i have found some documents that say you CAN use a TPE to claim a player, but it only seems to suggest you can do this for a player who was waived, not amnestied. kind fuzzy on that one.

still trying to find which teams have the full MLE... the Clippers DO have it... so we may not need to look much further then that

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

NIs source is Bobby Marks. They feed him info as long as he tows the line on the Nets agenda. I know this because I had dinner with Bobby Marks, NI, 3pt chucker, Elone, M I K E.

When Morrow and Jordan Williams were on the Nets he defended them whenever I would criticize them. Now that they are gone he acts like he always thought they were scrubs. Last year when Livingston was available mid season I suggested that we sign him to which he poo pooed Livingston as done. Now he has his "Livingston is great" pom poms out like the good lap dog he is.

He deletes alot of post that are critical of the Nets even though they dont violate any of the sites rules. The worst is when they ban people and then go on to insult them knowing they cant rebut.

The Mirza stories are the worst. Whenever he slumped last year he would manufacture some story about how hard he had it growing up in war or how he was adjusting in an effort to appease the FO.

As long as he plays the part of the puppet(censoring criticism, planting puff pieces, directing pro Net opinion, etc) , they will continue to give him the inside scoop knowing that ND will be the dominate Nets blog. He sold his credibility for access. plain and simple.

Just wanted to quote DWilloftheGodz here, and thank him for the insight

Thanks for the shout out.

[Basileus777]

E- from the end of the last topic...

Also, what happens if multiple teams posts the same claim.

So we put in for him, Nix put in, SA, Miami etc. Is it record? Is it payroll? I forget the tie breaker rules.

Tiebreaker is regular season record. if it is the offseason, it goes back to the prior seasons record.

Also, there is one exception you CAN use to waive a player - the disabled player exception. to my knowledge, no team holds this currently. The amount of the disabled player exception would be the full MLE or the 50% of the players salary - whichever is LOWER.

Also, there seems to be conflicting info. i have found some documents that say you CAN use a TPE to claim a player, but it only seems to suggest you can do this for a player who was waived, not amnestied. kind fuzzy on that one.

still trying to find which teams have the full MLE... the Clippers DO have it... so we may not need to look much further then that

How close are the Clips to the apron after all of their moves? If they use the full MLE it would set a hard cap on them.

[SpeedyG]

These mods suck

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

We are never gonna survive unless we get a little CRAZY

I dont care if he has lost a step, he is still light years better defensively then anyone we have on the perimeter and has enough size and moxy to challenge Lebron.

Between him and KG we would be one of the more feisty teams in the NBA. Wasnt "playing heartless" the biggest critique of last years squad.

I doubt a team with cap space would want to take on the head ache that is MWP when they can just as easily sign AK or C Brewer. I expect him to clear the amnesty waiver and then cross my fingers BK signs him.

[N Ireland Nets]

The way amnestied pick ups work I thought was that any team with cap space get 1st dibs.

So say the Cavs put in a bid of $3m, it means Cleveland would pay $3m of the money owed to MWP while the Lakers pay the difference.

So each team with cap room can bid with the highest bid winning the player. Just the same as the Kings being crazy enough to give Outlaw decent money which put them on the hook for a few million with Brooklyn paying $6m instead of the full $8m.

The only way we can get MWP is if everyone with cap refused to make a bid which means he would become a FA free to sign with any team he wants. That's what happened with Blatche & why we were able to sign him.

All it takes is any team with cap space to make a bid a tiny amount above minimum to mean we can't get MWP.

That's how I thought it worked but u could be wrong.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

The way amnestied pick ups work I thought was that any team with cap space get 1st dibs.

So say the Cavs put in a bid of $3m, it means Cleveland would pay $3m of the money owed to MWP while the Lakers pay the difference.

So each team with cap room can bid with the highest bid winning the player. Just the same as the Kings being crazy enough to give Outlaw decent money which put them on the hook for a few million with Brooklyn paying $6m instead of the full $8m.

The only way we can get MWP is if everyone with cap refused to make a bid which means he would become a FA free to sign with any team he wants. That's what happened with Blatche & why we were able to sign him.

All it takes is any team with cap space to make a bid a tiny amount above minimum to mean we can't get MWP.

That's how I thought it worked but u could be wrong.

Ask yourself this, if you were a young team like Cleveland with cap space would you want MWP near your young players?

Much like Blatche, MWP has alot of baggage most teams would shy away from. I think there is a good chance he clears the bidding.

[Keith Van Horn]

Would Love to get MWP.

Have Pierce give you 25-30 mpg and Artest can fill in the rest.

Also use JJ at the 3 on occasion to have Deron and Terry run the backcourt.

Sounds like its a long shot though.


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[Hello Brooklyn]

We NEED NEED, MWP. Imagine having him guard and bother the **** out of Lebron.

I don't think any team is gonna pick him up at that price. Will probably be between us and the Bricks. Very possible he chooses them though.

[MrDollarBills]

NIs source is Bobby Marks. They feed him info as long as he tows the line on the Nets agenda. I know this because I had dinner with Bobby Marks, NI, 3pt chucker, Elone, M I K E.

When Morrow and Jordan Williams were on the Nets he defended them whenever I would criticize them. Now that they are gone he acts like he always thought they were scrubs. Last year when Livingston was available mid season I suggested that we sign him to which he poo pooed Livingston as done. Now he has his "Livingston is great" pom poms out like the good lap dog he is.

He deletes alot of post that are critical of the Nets even though they dont violate any of the sites rules. The worst is when they ban people and then go on to insult them knowing they cant rebut.

The Mirza stories are the worst. Whenever he slumped last year he would manufacture some story about how hard he had it growing up in war or how he was adjusting in an effort to appease the FO.

As long as he plays the part of the puppet(censoring criticism, planting puff pieces, directing pro Net opinion, etc) , they will continue to give him the inside scoop knowing that ND will be the dominate Nets blog. He sold his credibility for access. plain and simple.

Just wanted to quote DWilloftheGodz here, and thank him for the insight

I was saying that for years, but you just proved my claims. Thank you sir.

[Rich Rane]

Alright guys, enough with ND.

[DarkXaero]

Hopefully MWP clears the waivers and we're interested in him. Although it makes the whole Bogdanovic signing kinda useless unless he's able to be a good contributor right away.

[Rich Rane]

Count me out on anything MWP related. He thinks he's a better scorer than he is and has stretches when he takes the dumbest shots.

[Paradise]

The Knicks appear to be on the verge of signing Josh Childress.


Maybe we should take a look at Raja Bell just in case MWP gets claimed?

[therealbig3]

Literally SMH at all the posts talking about how MWP would guard LeBron and bother him...have you guys not paid attention to their matchups for the last few years? LeBron has torched MWP.

Melo has torched MWP.

Durant has torched MWP.

He's not an elite, shut down wing defender anymore. He's way past that point in his career, and honestly, I don't even think his defense is that good at this point. He's super slow nowadays. And offensively, he's a net negative. And of course...he's bat **** crazy.

IDK, just not a fan of MWP at this point of his career. I'd much rather just give Toko a shot.

[DarkXaero]

Count me out on anything MWP related. He thinks he's a better scorer than he is and has stretches when he takes the dumbest shots.

Those things are true but if he were to come here, it would be in a backup SF role. The other thing is that you know that MWP will step up his game in the big games and playoffs. He is someone who gets motivated by the challenge of his matchup and the team he's playing. You can count on him to play some very good defense against the top wings out there.

[DarkXaero]

Literally SMH at all the posts talking about how MWP would guard LeBron and bother him...have you guys not paid attention to their matchups for the last few years? LeBron has torched MWP.

Melo has torched MWP.

Durant has torched MWP.

He's not an elite, shut down wing defender anymore. He's way past that point in his career, and honestly, I don't even think his defense is that good at this point. He's super slow nowadays. And offensively, he's a net negative. And of course...he's bat **** crazy.

IDK, just not a fan of MWP at this point of his career. I'd much rather just give Toko a shot.

Lebron and Durant have the tendency to torch everyone tbf. If he can be had for the minimum, why not? The headcase issue is a concern but with KG on the team, I'm not too worried about that.

[DWILLoftheGODZ]

Count me out on anything MWP related. He thinks he's a better scorer than he is and has stretches when he takes the dumbest shots.

That was in MDA system in LA.

Value wise he is a no brainer. What other player can we get for the vet min that can contribute as much as MWP could? Adding MWP would add alot of balance to this team

Lopez - Blatche - Plumlee
Garnett - Mirza - Evans
Pierce - MWP - Toko
Johnson - Terry - Bogdanovic
D Will - Livingston - Taylor