Serous Question from Celtics Fan. Not Trolling

[theman]

How did Gerald Wallace and Kris Humphries get so bad in one year.

In 11-12 Wallace averaged 15.2 Points, 6.8 Rebounds and 3.1 assists for the Nets (up slighly from what he did in Portland).
In 12-13 Wallace averaged 7.7 Points, 4.6 Rebounds and 2.6 assists and his minutes per game only dropped from 36 to 30.

In 11-12 Humphries averaged 13.8 points 11 Rebounds and 1.5 assists.
In 12-13 Humphries averaged 5.8 points, 5.6 Rebounds and .5 assists. His drop is easier to understand because his minutes went from 35 to 18 per games. But why the drop in minutes?

I thought maybe they were stepping on each other's minutes after the trade but Humpries did better after the trade in the '11-'12 season. Was Reggie Evens really stealling minutes from Humphries? Is he better? Reggie Evens?

Was it Blatche stealling the minutes?

I am just trying to figure out if they have any thing left and how marketable they might be.

BTW - Pierce and KG will do great for you guys. Hope you do well; really hope you knock the Heat out of the playoffs.

[enetric]

Crash has been in serious decline for three years. We never should have dealt for him. Hump didnt go bad. He fell out of rotation. He is a very good rebounder nothing more. We had minutes for him 2 years ago when we were awful. Neither guy is all that good but can produce stats with minutes.

[CalamityX12]

Crash was beyond possible horrific for last year... it was almost unimaginable... You're talking about a real vet who played and made mistakes you'd see on pick up games from the parks....

but you don't have Avery nor PJ under Stevens so thats an immediate push for plus. They turned Crash into a spot up shooter which he's never done before, everrrr... they've limited his potential impact in the game. Doesn't play well under an Iso-System, he's someone that needs to move to be effective at all... so if you have an up tiempo scheme or pretty much a ball distribution system, then it should be ok... he'll give you hustle plays....

also you dont have PJ or Avery to f with his mind n game...

Hump was misused(yeah im saying it), being benched over Evans is a **** on its own. he won't take over games but he'll play hard.

[Paradise]

Humphries lost all confidence and desire when he was replaced with Evans in the lineup. Avery screwed around with Humphries and I don't think he liked PJ anymore when it became obvious Humphries could do things Evans can't but he still stayed a full time starter. It also didn't help, he knew he was getting traded and didn't want to leave NY.

Wallace started off well after a bad ankle sprain, injured his ribs and his entire game fell apart. He could barely palm a basketball on a drive or layup. We didn't play to his uptempo style either, he was a corner shooter in Avery/PJ's offense in which he sucks at.

He lost all confidence and had games where he didn't attempt a shot and blamed it on his lack of a "role"

He should have a much better season on both ends next to Rondo and Bradley but the dude can't play 82 games at a high level anymore. He looked like a zombie out on the floor at times, he's got atleast 3 years left as a starter before he turns into a bench only ring chaser.

He should be a positive locker room guy for the youngsters. Humphries will play well when he is motivated.

[PetroNet]

Wallace - He wasnt nearly as bad as he played. and his decline, while real, is vastly overstated. He still has plenty of hops and plenty of athletecism. His big issues was he was put in probably the worst spot possible. He was asked to play at the leagues slowest pace on a team that played strictly half court ball, that ran almost exclusively isos, and on a team with a bunch of guys who stink at moving the ball. He was basically asked to sit in the corner and chuck 3's. not really his game. I think he will have a pretty sizeable bounce back year playing in an uptempo offense with rondo. id thin something alot closer to the 15/7 he had prior to last year. He will miss 15 or so games, and play hurt in another 10, but overall he should be better then last year.

Humphries - He was never as good as his stats indicated to start with. Prior to brooklyn he played on like 60 and 70 loss teams, with no real scoring options and sucked up tons of garbage points and rebounds. i mean someone had to score besides deron williams... hell brooks averaged 12 a game and even gerald green had decent stats. Hump is still a good rebounder, and a decent defender, he shouldnt have been benched for evans, but at the same time he wasnt some vastly superior role player either.... he isnt a 14/11 guy, and really never was.

I think you guys will get alot from wallace. i think he bounces back to a 15/7 guy. i think hump could give you 8/10 if given 25-30 minutes

[2Mas]

Let's hope they both suck incredibly & we win 14 games so we get a good pick.

[jirrit]

Let's hope they both suck incredibly & we win 14 games so we get a good pick.

I think Hump will be gone and they might try to get something out of Wallace again.

[NyCeEvO]

Another Cs fan asked the same question two weeks ago regarding Wallace. Here's the thread: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1258934

Here are my feelings (my post from the thread):

I think Wallace suffered from a number of bad things.

1) Yes, it's obvious that he is declining athletically. He still has the ability to have a few pretty good offense-to-defense sequences but I wouldn't expect the same level of consistency that you saw a few years back.

2) Last year, we had the 3rd slowest pace in the league. The pace improved a bit under PJ (we were last in pace with Avery) but we still were a slow team. The positives of Wallace's game only really come out when you're playing an uptempo game so we never really got to see him play at a speed that was suitable for him.

3) With him and Reggie on the floor at the same time, we had pretty bad spacing on offense and it often allowed the defense to overload on the strong side, especially near the edge of the paint. The paint was clogged pretty often, but at the same time, we rarely saw Wallace slash to the basket regardless of how packed it was. At this point, I'm not sure if it's a mental thing with him, but hopefully he can start slashing to the basket again.

I don't really have any bad feelings towards you guys so I hope Wallace plays considerably better than he did last year and that our system was the reason why he was so bad.

Concerning Hump, like E said he fell out of the rotation. I kinda have a feeling that Avery/PJ just didn't like him. At the end of the year, PJ was basically forced to play Hump because things weren't going well for our big men, and Hump definitely outplayed Evans. Despite this, PJ still kept him on the bench and tried to play him as little as possible.

I don't think he's really lost much at all from his 14/10 season. Just don't expect what he brings to the table to translate into wins. Even when he was playing well stats wise two years ago, we stunk. I guess he's the perfect guy to root for in fantasy basketball because he can get his numbers and the team will still lose.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Gerald Wallace just sucks. Hes over. Old news.

He can't play like he used to. He has flashes of brilliance and then follows it up with 5+ games of utter garbage. Would not want him on my team.

Cannot shot a lick, can't even seem to finish near the rim anymore, and his defense has been subpar.

Humphries is ok. Still a good hustle/rebounding guy if given minutes. Obviously overpaid, but since hes an expiring not a big deal.

[enetric]

Humphries lost all confidence and desire when he was replaced with Evans in the lineup. Avery screwed around with Humphries and I don't think he liked PJ anymore when it became obvious Humphries could do things Evans can't but he still stayed a full time starter. It also didn't help, he knew he was getting traded and didn't want to leave NY.

Wallace started off well after a bad ankle sprain, injured his ribs and his entire game fell apart. He could barely palm a basketball on a drive or layup. We didn't play to his uptempo style either, he was a corner shooter in Avery/PJ's offense in which he sucks at.

He lost all confidence and had games where he didn't attempt a shot and blamed it on his lack of a "role"

He should have a much better season on both ends next to Rondo and Bradley but the dude can't play 82 games at a high level anymore. He looked like a zombie out on the floor at times, he's got atleast 3 years left as a starter before he turns into a bench only ring chaser.

He should be a positive locker room guy for the youngsters. Humphries will play well when he is motivated.

(Self edited)

I disagree with most of what was posted here. More specifically...I feel these were excuses for their play and not a realistic observation of who these players are or why they faltered.

Did Hump lose confidence? I dont know. Perhaps. But he isnt a skills athlete. He isnt trying to hit the curve ball or sink jumpers. He is a lunch pail bruiser who rebounds the ball and can hit the mid range here and there. He is and always was a bad defender. He lost his job to a guy who is comparable in talent to him. It only seems shocking because Hump made 12 mil and that guy made less than 2. But Hump got his contract not because he was a stud. He had a good stats year on an AWFUL Nets team in 2011-12, and by giving him the two year giant deal we created a fat expiring contract for a team with few top tier trade assets left. Losing his job wasnt so much a sign if him falling off as much as the got better, his role shrunk.

Hey, Gerald Green had a nice year for that bad team as well. Stats can be deceiving. With minutes guys get stats even on terrible teams. Hump with minutes will get his low double doubles. Doesnt mean he will play good D or be of value. He is a one year place holder for you.

Crash might have better stats on a gutted team...he might not. He just isnt very good anymore. Didnt happen in one year due to a lack of a roll. Ask on the Portland board what they saw their last two years with him. They were relieved to make him go away. Landing the absurd price we paid was just a shocking gift.

[Rich Rane]

Humphries lost all confidence and desire when he was replaced with Evans in the lineup. Avery screwed around with Humphries and I don't think he liked PJ anymore when it became obvious Humphries could do things Evans can't but he still stayed a full time starter. It also didn't help, he knew he was getting traded and didn't want to leave NY.

Wallace started off well after a bad ankle sprain, injured his ribs and his entire game fell apart. He could barely palm a basketball on a drive or layup. We didn't play to his uptempo style either, he was a corner shooter in Avery/PJ's offense in which he sucks at.

He lost all confidence and had games where he didn't attempt a shot and blamed it on his lack of a "role"

He should have a much better season on both ends next to Rondo and Bradley but the dude can't play 82 games at a high level anymore. He looked like a zombie out on the floor at times, he's got atleast 3 years left as a starter before he turns into a bench only ring chaser.

He should be a positive locker room guy for the youngsters. Humphries will play well when he is motivated.

If you are really looking for what to expect...I would disregard all of this. It was for the most part nonsense.

Crash might have better stats on a gutted team...he might not. He just isnt very good anymore. Didnt happen in one year due to a lack of a roll. Ask on the Portland board what they saw their last two years with him. They were relieved to make him go away. Landing the absurd price we paid was just a shocking gift.

Hump with minutes will get his low double doubles. Doesnt mean he will play good D or be of value. He is a one year place holder for you. He was a fat expiring contract to make the number work. In the end he is a role guy worth 3 mil per year.

E, I now have to ask you to stop referring to said poster's posts as "nonsense" or any other derogatory adjectives.

[enetric]

Fixed.