Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

Blue_and_Whte · Post #1181 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:06 pm

magicman112 wrote:
Def Swami wrote:Didn't see posted anywhere.
Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins 14h
The #Orlando #Magic have picked Bill Burgos, strength coach of the #Knicks, to be their new strength and conditioning coach.

What happened to the guy we had? He was doing a hell of a job based on how the guys in summer league look. Probably got a better job offer...

Took the Rockets job.

MagicStarwipe · Post #1182 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:26 pm

http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

Furinkazan · Post #1183 » by **Furinkazan** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:28 pm

Neon1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.

Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.

keep hating neon

Post #1184 » by **Def Swami** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:37 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

Awesome

flying_mollusk · Post #1185 » by **flying_mollusk** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:49 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:I am torn on Oladipo. I know it's only 3 games but I don't like him at PG. But, but, but....I am starting to see what he could do at the SG. His left hand is much better than anyone, even his supporters, thought it would be. He just doesn't have the court awareness and dribbling ability of a pure point guard, I feel like Moore is out there sometimes watching him. Not a bad thing, he's a SG, but it doesn't look natural and it's not something that guys can just acquire. He might be able to, but the opportunity for him is at SG. I like the experiment/practice being at the PG, but I just don't see it happening in the regular season. Nothing planned, he may bring the ball up, but I don't think he'll be running the actual point for more than a few minutes a night in the season.

He won't get a lot of calls as a rookie, but his desire to get to the hole is very good. I haven't checked, but I assume he's leading summer league in FT attempts. The thing that first stood out on my list for him was his ability to pass out of penetration for an easy assist. I see that transitioning very well to the NBA.

I'm interested to see what happens in the regular season with him, if he still goes to the rim as often, and how many minutes he gets. He could really benefit from an Afflalo trade. I don't think he needs any mentoring and minutes would be good.

You know, I actually kind of agree with you. I think they are doing this so that he can become a solid passer as a SG. If he is good, then when he drives, teams will throw double teams on him left and right. His ability to pass out to the open man, even as a SG, could be an invaluable skill. The biggest stat that hurts him is the number of turnovers. But if he isn’t the primary ball-handler, that might go down. Is this like the Durant at SG experiement in OKC Hhis rooke year?

Also, keep in mind that the PG position can be pretty overrated. I don’t think you need one of your best players to be a PG to win a title. If he can become a PG, then so be it. If not, then he can still be an awesome SG.

OrlandO · Post #1186 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:03 pm

Neon1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.

Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.

He just looked lost early on, which was expected considering his age/experience and where he was drafted. They initially brought him off the bench and then soon after they transitioned him to starting but with bench minutes. Seemed pretty obvious to me they were grooming him to be a future big minutes starter.

OrlandO · Post #1187 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:11 pm

The Philadelphia 76ers and New Orleans Pelicans agreed upon a Jrue Holiday trade a few days before the draft, but it was dependent on Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett or Victor Oladipo remaining available.

Clearly they wanted Noel (#6) over Mclemore (#7), but it's interesting the latter wasn't even on their list for the trade scenario.

OrlandO · Post #1188 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:12 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

He was here from 2009-2011

Nyce_1 · Post #1189 » by **Nyce_1** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:17 pm

OrlandO wrote:
MagicStarwipe wrote:http://nbsca.net/bill-burgos/

Prior to the Knicks, Burgos completed a two-year stint with the Orlando Magic as their Strength & Conditioning Coordinator working alongside current Magic head strength coach and Pro Hoop Strength member Joe Rogowski.

He was here from 2009-2011

I hope he's as good as Joe. All players, past & present, give major love to Joe and his workout regimens.

Neon1 · Post #1190 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:20 pm

~Snoopy~ wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
OrlandO wrote:Anyway, I think it's premature to say Oladipo is being throw into the fire or anything. It's summer league. When the season starts, he may be brought off the bench just like Harkless was his rookie year. He may start, but at SG. Who knows, this is just SL... the season is still a few months away. This is good experience for him to have the ball constantly in his hands against rookies and minor league type players.

Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.

keep hating neon

NOV- 9.7ppg 9.1rpg 1.0apg
DEC- 6.5ppg 6.3rpg 0.8apg

I'm "Hating" though. By the way those numbers are elevated to Per36!.

rcklsscognition · Post #1191 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:55 pm

When I made the post about the rookies being coddled, which they were (Tobias was in his 2nd season when he came to the Magic, not a rookie btw), I also said go back and look at the quotes from Henny, Martins, and Vaughn. They have said since day one, in a unified message, that their goal is to put the guys in positions to succeed and build their confidence slowly and strategically. That's what they did. Injuries happened in January/February time and things went up in the air for the most part, but they still brought them along slowly, didn't put them in bad situations, protected them, for a while. I don't think they'd have been playing so much post AS break if not for so many injuries.

rcklsscognition · Post #1192 » by **rcklsscognition** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:00 pm

Pelicans have made a lot of moves so far. I can't remember how many, but they're definitely active.

InFlames · Post #1193 » by **InFlames** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:22 pm

Is that guy our new strength coach? Burgos?

Blue_and_Whte · Post #1194 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:23 pm

Neon1 wrote:
~Snoopy~ wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
Harkless only got 17mpg during the first half because he was literally playing like one of the worst players in basketball. It wasn't "bringing him along slowly" he was just that terrible.

keep hating neon

NOV- 9.7ppg 9.1rpg 1.0apg
DEC- 6.5ppg 6.3rpg 0.8apg

I'm "Hating" though. By the way those numbers are elevated to Per36!.

That equates to one of the worst players IN BASKETBALL?

Noonskadoodle · Post #1195 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:29 pm

and it begins....

Neon1 · Post #1196 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:30 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
~Snoopy~ wrote:

keep hating neon

NOV- 9.7ppg 9.1rpg 1.0apg
DEC- 6.5ppg 6.3rpg 0.8apg

I'm "Hating" though. By the way those numbers are elevated to Per36!.

That equates to one of the worst players IN BASKETBALL?

6 AND 6 per36....At a skill position like SF? Yeah your up there.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1197 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:32 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:and it begins....

Which one is pregnant? Left, Right or Both!

Neon1 · Post #1198 » by **Neon1** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:34 pm

Is it possible for Monta Ellis to end up in Houston? Sign and trade maybe?

MagicTownBaller · Post #1199 » by **MagicTownBaller** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:35 pm

Neon1 wrote:Is it possible for Monta Ellis to end up in Houston? Sign and trade maybe?

I guess they could S&T him for Jeremy Lin and maybe Omer Asik...

BadMofoPimp · Post #1200 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:42 pm

MagicTownBaller wrote:
Neon1 wrote:Is it possible for Player to end up in Houston? Sign and trade maybe?

I guess they could S&T him for Jeremy Lin and maybe Omer Asik...

SSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!

DON"T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!!!! :roll: