WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

[dice]

Give me Nate and we got this.

he would only be playing 5 minutes a game, dude. and even if he played big minutes it wouldn't necessarily make us a better team, let alone favorites to win the title. this is silly

Hinrich and rose have proven to be injury prone players. If they miss time again, you are stuck with Teague. Robinson is almost a must on this team.

he's not a must, but he'd be a great luxury for the reasons you mention. barring injury, he's just not getting much PT

[dice]

Sorry, he'd be playing more than 5 minutes..him and Kirk would be the anchors of the second unit

mike. dunleavy.

he was not signed to spell deng for 10 minutes a night

I don't know, Thibs will probably still play Deng 43 minutes.

you're making my point. there aren't enough minutes for dunleavy strictly backing up deng

[Mr Funk]

Chicago Bulls Nate Robinson announced on Twitter he plans to go to Las Vegas to watch the Bulls and Marquis Teague play during Summer League

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[DuckIII]

Rose is better against defending speedy PGs (About half the league right now) than Hinrich is and thibs was already OK with a Kirk/Nate lineup that was obviously giving something up Defensively with Nate on the court.

Rose is definitely not a better point guard defender than Hinrich. Nor is he even close to the team defender Hinrich is.

Of course there were things Thibs liked about a Nate/Hinrich duo. But it doesn't necessarily translate that once Rose is in the fold, Thibs is going to want to take that defensive hit. In fact, Thibs Nate/Hinrich compliment simply makes it more likely he'd opt for some Rose/Hinrich combos at times. But it really has very little to do with Rose/Nate.

Regardless, I hope the Bulls sign Nate.

[KissedByaRose1]

Rose is better against defending speedy PGs (About half the league right now) than Hinrich is and thibs was already OK with a Kirk/Nate lineup that was obviously giving something up Defensively with Nate on the court.

Rose is definitely not a better point guard defender than Hinrich. Nor is he even close to the team defender Hinrich is.

Of course there were things Thibs liked about a Nate/Hinrich duo. But it doesn't necessarily translate that once Rose is in the fold, Thibs is going to want to take that defensive hit. In fact, Thibs Nate/Hinrich compliment simply makes it more likely he'd opt for some Rose/Hinrich combos at times. But it really has very little to do with Rose/Nate.

Regardless, I hope the Bulls sign Nate.

I said speedy PGs. Coldfish pointed out yesterday that Kirk struggles with guys who are really fast and does better against bigger slower guards at this point in his career. Against a CP3, Westbrook, Ty Lawson, John Wall etc. I would feel much more comfortable with Derrick and his athleticism staying in front of those guys than Kirk.

I agree with you that Hinrich is the much better team defender (rotations, fighting through picks, ) but he's 32 and Rose has shown he can stay in front of the premiere PGs in the NBA.

[DuckIII]

I said speedy PGs.

I saw that you did, but it doesn't matter.

Coldfish pointed out yesterday that Kirk struggles with guys who are really fast and does better against bigger slower guards at this point in his career.

He said that all season, actually. Yes, of course he's "better" with bigger slower guards, but he doesn't "struggle" with the other kind. And regardless, he's still better than Rose with all types.

Regardless, my point was that Thibs compliment of Nate/Hinrich doesn't say anything about Rose/Nate. It means he'll replace Nate with Rose, and feel comfortable with Hinrich as a compliment.

[KissedByaRose1]

I said speedy PGs.

I saw that you did, but it doesn't matter.

Coldfish pointed out yesterday that Kirk struggles with guys who are really fast and does better against bigger slower guards at this point in his career.

He said that all season, actually. Yes, of course he's "better" with bigger slower guards, but he doesn't "struggle" with the other kind. And regardless, he's still better than Rose with all types.

Regardless, my point was that Thibs compliment of Nate/Hinrich doesn't say anything about Rose/Nate. It means he'll replace Nate with Rose, and feel comfortable with Hinrich as a compliment.

Sure it does. It shows he's comfortable with 2 PG lineups that sacrifice some Defense if they can bring back more on the Offensive side. This may seem like an obvious comment but there have been doubters in the past that Thibs would ever sacrifice D for O and I think that this proves he is open to it.

Do you think he would not trot out a Rose/Nate lineup if Robinson comes back this year?

[wonderboy2]

Derrick rose defense is underated i felt like by the end of his mvp season and the year he was injured all the time his defense improved dramaticaly where it was almost elite. Point Gaurds was having a hard time scoring on him. Only time I can remember drose kinda getting lit up was against teague, bayless and collison. but drose allways play defense vs the best pointgaurds most noteably deron williams, rondo, paul, parker.

[DuckIII]

Sure it does. It shows he's comfortable with 2 PG lineups that sacrifice some Defense if they can bring back more on the Offensive side.

No, it shows that he's comfortable playing Hinrich with a scoring point. Not that he's comfortable playing two scoring points together, both of which have defensive flaws. Or rather to say one that has some defensive flaws, and another who is simply an atrocious defender.

Do you think he would not trot out a Rose/Nate lineup if Robinson comes back this year?

I'm not sure I'd call it a lineup. I do think they'd play together in some rare instances where the Bulls are way down late and need an offensive burst. But for the most part, no I don't believe it would ever become a normal rotation.

[KissedByaRose1]

Sure it does. It shows he's comfortable with 2 PG lineups that sacrifice some Defense if they can bring back more on the Offensive side.

No, it shows that he's comfortable playing Hinrich with a scoring point. Not that he's comfortable playing two scoring points together, both of which have defensive flaws. Or rather to say one that has some defensive flaws, and another who is simply an atrocious defender.

Do you think he would not trot out a Rose/Nate lineup if Robinson comes back this year?

I'm not sure I'd call it a lineup. I do think they'd play together in some rare instances where the Bulls are way down late and need an offensive burst. But for the most part, no I don't believe it would ever become a normal rotation.

Fair enough. I think you are overrating Kirk a little bit on Defense and remember guys blowing past him a lot during the regular season last year in non primetime games where he didn't seem to be as into it as he was the Brooklyn series (when healthy).

Atrocious defender who against our main rival I think we can get away with playing while Rose is on the court. He can stay in front of Chalmers who isn't great when not spot up shooting and if Wade is still in his hobbled state (I'm thinking the Wade you saw last playoffs was more than just banged up) I'm comfortable enough with Rose guarding him and not getting killed. That's two shot creators on the floor against Miami which we've never had before.

[League Circles]

It blows my mind that anyone would not think that Derrick Rose is an elite defender.

[MalikJoakim24]

Twitter bomb nate to resign with us lol

[League Circles]

No chance is Hinrich better at defense than Rose these days.

[DuckIII]

No chance is Hinrich better at defense than Rose these days.

He's much better, actually. Derrick Rose still can't fight over a pick to save his life and his team/recovery defense isn't even remotely in the same class as Hinrich's.

That said, directly on the ball, Derrick Rose is one of the best around.

[mostek]

Rose made great strides on defense, but it was from awful entering the league, to poor, in just one season, to being a decent defender the next. I do not know if I remember any player make that much improvement so quickly, so I see no reason he can not continue on that trajectory. If so, he may soon be considered a good defender, but do not think he will ever reach elite defender status.

[BahamaBull]

Ok, so any news on Nate?

[dice]

for what it's worth, kirk has pretty consistently graded as an average defender statistically in recent years. which, frankly, jives with the eye test as far as i'm concerned. he's pesky but depends on bodying up to his man, which results in a lot of bad fouls

on the other hand in derrick's last two seasons he graded very well

[pnch40]

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[MrFortune3]

Hinrich is not better than Rose on D. he hasn't been in years. his injuries have affected him too much.
in the past yes, but that past 3 years? not a chance.

[Trm3]

Chicago Bulls Nate Robinson announced on Twitter he plans to go to Las Vegas to watch the Bulls and Marquis Teague play during Summer League

Via Twitter

And since he's there..he'll be signing his contract to play with us next year as well.