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Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1241 » by Swiftraven » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:42 am

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OrlandO wrote:Carmelo is not coming here anyway. He is exactly the type of player who goes to big market cities. He'll stay in NY or go to LA.


I am glad someone else pointed this out and saved me the trouble.

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Yeah...I would never want him on a team I rooted for. Black hole on offense, chucker, zero defense, zero sharing of the ball, completely selfish player and NY will go nowhere with him unless he expands his game past scoring, which I dont think he will ever do.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1242 » by RickB-Orlando » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:01 am

MoMM wrote:All the bad teams are getting better, thats very good :)


I get a kick out of this sort of statement. I assume you are trying to indicate it's better for our lottery chances somehow.

The fact is, there will always be a set number of lottery teams. Being one of the two worst will always guarantee a top five pick, which is probably the place to be in this draft. But it doesn't help our chances any. No matter which teams are bad, the chances for winning a particular slot won't change.

I'm tempted to argue that the worst thing that could happen is for teams like Boston or the LA Lakers to suck, because if they do, you can be sure the league will fix it so they get the big name franchise player in the draft. Except that sounds way too pessimistic, even for me.

Another factor people seem to be missing is we're going to be better as well. All those first and second year players have another year of experience under their belt. Harris will be on the team from the beginning of the year. We added what looks to be an impact player in Dipo who has shown some pretty impressive skills in summer. Veteran players will be back from injury. Vucevic will be even more effective, and Harmless has shown flashes of Improvement in SL as well.

Jacque Vaughn and his staff will be better as well, with a full season and a second training camp under their belts.

I'm not saying we're going to set any records, but the team by nature of having another year of development and adding a couple of key players will be better. We probably don't make the playoffs unless a couple of guys take huge strides forward, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we find ourselves at the bottom again, unless we dump just about every vet - notably Afflalo and BBD - and intentionally flush the season.

As much as I'd love to see is add Wiggins, I'm not sure it's a healthy team culture to expect young players like Viucevic, Harris, Dipo and Harris to force themselves to the bottom of the standings.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1243 » by TDJacksonville » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:12 am

shade2002 wrote:how about the Orlando magic trade jameer nelson and arron afflalo and glen davis and e'twaun moore.
and the sacramento kings trade marcus thornton and demarcus cousins and Patrick Patterson and jammer fredette.

and here is the realgm trade checker trade id # 6313396

and here is the espn trade machine http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6lusep.

tell me if that is a bad or a great idea trade and tell me why you like it and why you don't like two?
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why on earth would we want Demarcus Cousins whos going to want a Max Deal while we still have a Center whos almsot as good as him coming up on a contract extension.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1244 » by TNMagicFan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:19 am

When we talk about "tanking" we're talking about management tanking . Management will dump the vets which makes it pretty hard to win with inexperienced players . The coaches and players will go about trying to win in any way they can , but thanks to management the obstacles will be hard to over come
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1245 » by Envy019 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:55 am

I would love a top 3 pick next year. Hopefully davis recovers well and shows good signs of life so he can get traded. We know afflalo is an asset and some one will want him midway, probably NY, SA, or even LAL (lol)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1246 » by Skin » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:08 am

yoyojw17 wrote:Any new news on Brandan Wright?

No news is good news.
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Post#1247 » by InFlames » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:11 am

Cleveland doing everything they can to get into the playoffs this season so they can impress Lebron. Every move they have made recently has all been with him in mind. Remember the rumor that Miami wanted to trade Bosh for a top 4 pick to get Bennet? Lebron loves Bennet for some reason. This explains why the Cavs took him even though it was a horrible fit and literally no one thought he should go #1.
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Post#1248 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:16 am

Bennett is going to surprise a lot of people.
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Post#1249 » by InFlames » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:18 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Bennett is going to surprise a lot of people.


I'm sure he will. But he isn't any better than Otto Porter who was a a perfect fit. He has a higher ceiling and thats it.
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Post#1250 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:43 am

Big Baby Bennett gonna prove y'all wrong!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1251 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:57 am

Skin wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:Any new news on Brandan Wright?

No news is good news.


haha....FACT!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1252 » by thelead » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:22 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
MoMM wrote:All the bad teams are getting better, thats very good :)


I get a kick out of this sort of statement. I assume you are trying to indicate it's better for our lottery chances somehow.

The fact is, there will always be a set number of lottery teams. Being one of the two worst will always guarantee a top five pick, which is probably the place to be in this draft. But it doesn't help our chances any. No matter which teams are bad, the chances for winning a particular slot won't change.

I'm tempted to argue that the worst thing that could happen is for teams like Boston or the LA Lakers to suck, because if they do, you can be sure the league will fix it so they get the big name franchise player in the draft. Except that sounds way too pessimistic, even for me.

Another factor people seem to be missing is we're going to be better as well. All those first and second year players have another year of experience under their belt. Harris will be on the team from the beginning of the year. We added what looks to be an impact player in Dipo who has shown some pretty impressive skills in summer. Veteran players will be back from injury. Vucevic will be even more effective, and Harmless has shown flashes of Improvement in SL as well.

Jacque Vaughn and his staff will be better as well, with a full season and a second training camp under their belts.

I'm not saying we're going to set any records, but the team by nature of having another year of development and adding a couple of key players will be better. We probably don't make the playoffs unless a couple of guys take huge strides forward, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we find ourselves at the bottom again, unless we dump just about every vet - notably Afflalo and BBD - and intentionally flush the season.

As much as I'd love to see is add Wiggins, I'm not sure it's a healthy team culture to expect young players like Viucevic, Harris, Dipo and Harris to force themselves to the bottom of the standings.


Um, the argument is that the teams that are getting better (Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, etc) are going to have a better record than us, therefore giving us a better % to win the lottery then if those same teams were worse than us... No one is saying that those improved teams will get into the playoffs; just that they will end up with a better record than us.

For example (hypothetical of bottom 5 teams, where 1 has the best odds to win the lottery):
Scenario A (current, popular, outlook of what might happen):
5. Atlanta
4. Charlotte
3. Orlando
2. Phoenix
1. Philly

In the current (hypothetical) scenario, because Charlotte and Atlanta improved their roster, they have a lower percentage chance to win the lottery; thus giving us a better chance at winning it.

Scenario B (Atlanta does not sign Millsap/Jennings, Charlotte does not sign Jefferson:
5. Orlando
4. Charlotte
3. Atlanta
2. Phoenix
1. Philly

Because (hypothetically) Charlotte and Atlanta chose not to improve their roster, they end up having worse records and lessen our chances of winning the draft lottery.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1253 » by RickB-Orlando » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:53 am

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RickB-Orlando wrote:
MoMM wrote:All the bad teams are getting better, thats very good :)


I get a kick out of this sort of statement. I assume you are trying to indicate it's better for our lottery chances somehow.

The fact is, there will always be a set number of lottery teams. Being one of the two worst will always guarantee a top five pick, which is probably the place to be in this draft. But it doesn't help our chances any. No matter which teams are bad, the chances for winning a particular slot won't change.

I'm tempted to argue that the worst thing that could happen is for teams like Boston or the LA Lakers to suck, because if they do, you can be sure the league will fix it so they get the big name franchise player in the draft. Except that sounds way too pessimistic, even for me.

Another factor people seem to be missing is we're going to be better as well. All those first and second year players have another year of experience under their belt. Harris will be on the team from the beginning of the year. We added what looks to be an impact player in Dipo who has shown some pretty impressive skills in summer. Veteran players will be back from injury. Vucevic will be even more effective, and Harmless has shown flashes of Improvement in SL as well.

Jacque Vaughn and his staff will be better as well, with a full season and a second training camp under their belts.

I'm not saying we're going to set any records, but the team by nature of having another year of development and adding a couple of key players will be better. We probably don't make the playoffs unless a couple of guys take huge strides forward, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we find ourselves at the bottom again, unless we dump just about every vet - notably Afflalo and BBD - and intentionally flush the season.

As much as I'd love to see is add Wiggins, I'm not sure it's a healthy team culture to expect young players like Viucevic, Harris, Dipo and Harris to force themselves to the bottom of the standings.


Um, the argument is that the teams that are getting better (Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, etc) are going to have a better record than us, therefore giving us a better % to win the lottery then if those same teams were worse than us... No one is saying that those improved teams will get into the playoffs; just that they will end up with a better record than us.

For example (hypothetical of bottom 5 teams, where 1 has the best odds to win the lottery):
Scenario A (current, popular, outlook of what might happen):
5. Atlanta
4. Charlotte
3. Orlando
2. Phoenix
1. Philly

In the current (hypothetical) scenario, because Charlotte and Atlanta improved their roster, they have a lower percentage chance to win the lottery; thus giving us a better chance at winning it.

Scenario B (Atlanta does not sign Millsap/Jennings, Charlotte does not sign Jefferson:
5. Orlando
4. Charlotte
3. Atlanta
2. Phoenix
1. Philly

Because (hypothetically) Charlotte and Atlanta chose not to improve their roster, they end up having worse records and lessen our chances of winning the draft lottery.


Sure I see that, but other teams - Milwaukee, Boston, LA - have gotten worse. My point really was that there will always be a number of teams that are scraping for worst record. Just because some improve, doesn't mean there won't be someone else to fill the void they leave. Could be us, could be others.

Also still stand by my position that we will improve as well simply due to player growth, draft additions, and healthy vets, unless Henny and JV take specific action to dump games.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1254 » by Truth24 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:05 am

InFlames wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Bennett is going to surprise a lot of people.


I'm sure he will. But he isn't any better than Otto Porter who was a a perfect fit. He has a higher ceiling and thats it.


Offensively he is tons better than Porter, but Porter is a better defender and I do think he was a better fit but I do think Bennett is a better player.
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Post#1255 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:36 am

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... les-lakers

lol, Kobe knew it and probably went on record that he was gonna play 3 more years just so Dwight wouldn't come back.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1256 » by PeePee la Fritz » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:00 am

rcklsscognition wrote:http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9468452/dwight-howard-wanted-end-kobe-bryant-era-los-angeles-lakers

lol, Kobe knew it and probably went on record that he was gonna play 3 more years just so Dwight wouldn't come back.



Lol! Def sounds like Kobe wanted to bounce that mental midget outa LA
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1257 » by Furinkazan » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:02 am

Neon1 wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Neon1 wrote:
NOV- 9.7ppg 9.1rpg 1.0apg
DEC- 6.5ppg 6.3rpg 0.8apg

I'm "Hating" though. By the way those numbers are elevated to Per36!.

That equates to one of the worst players IN BASKETBALL?


6 AND 6 per36....At a skill position like SF? Yeah your up there.



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I never seen worse stats ....clearly WORST NBA PLAYER EVER!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1258 » by Bensational » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:04 am

InFlames wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Bennett is going to surprise a lot of people.


I'm sure he will. But he isn't any better than Otto Porter who was a a perfect fit. He has a higher ceiling and thats it.


Bennett will step on the court and be just as good as Porter from day dot, and he will probably be much better than him in the long run. Bennett is gonna be solid, IMO.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1259 » by cedric76 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:18 am

Seems like Rob won't go after anyone and is happy with what we 've got

I can't see us using tpe now, all top fa r gone and more team need to dump salaries


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIX Offseason Edition) 

Post#1260 » by RickB-Orlando » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:01 am

shade2002 wrote:how about the Orlando magic trade jameer nelson and arron afflalo and glen davis and e'twaun moore.
and the sacramento kings trade marcus thornton and demarcus cousins and Patrick Patterson and jammer fredette.

and here is the realgm trade checker trade id # 6313396

and here is the espn trade machine http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k6lusep.

tell me if that is a bad or a great idea trade and tell me why you like it and why you don't like two?
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First off, I don't think Sacto is moving DMC. He's essentially the you g rising star on their team and I suspect a deal would have to blow them away to have him going anywhere. This deal doesn't come close to blowing them away.

Also, I think it's very unlikely we move all three of our vets. Afflalo is most likely to be traded if only to make room for Dipo, who seems likely to be starter quality and potentially an impact player.

I'm not clear where Henny sits on BBD. Sure, he has flaws, but he works his tail off, sets a good example, and is a team leader. My personal, opinion is we're a better team with BBD at the four and Harris at the three than with Harris playing the four and Harkless at the three. Just my opinion mind you. That doesn't mean we won't move BBD, but I think it much less likely to happen before the deadline.

Finally. I don't think Jameer is going anywhere. Ideally he transitions to a sixth man role, instant offense off the bench in short spurts that allows him to remain effective as he gets older plus minimizes the impact and thus likelihood of injury.

So basically, I think it's a non-starter for Sacto and probably the same for Orlando, as I tend to doubt Henny would bring in a head case like DMC.

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