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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#41 » by DetroitPistons » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:37 am

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Dave, What do Cats fans think about Henderson?

Great teammate, very good athlete, capable defender, with a borderline elite midrange game. That last part has really blossomed and when you consider how in today's day and age so few players have a great midrange game it's pretty remarkable to watch. He's almost Kobe-esque in that regard. The problem is that he's developing better handles and 3pt range at a glacial pace. Only in the last few months of the season has Hendo shown the ability to knock down open 3's and he generally needs to toe the line to do so.

I think he's worth ~6-7 million per honestly but Charlotte desperately needs 3pt shooting to create spacing for the bigs, MKG and Kemba. Most of us are worried that we'll trade him for 2nd rounders or something to clear up space for Monta.


Ok thanks. That seems about right. I would love to have him here if the Cats aren't committed to him.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#42 » by Dre Drummond » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:42 am

Minus the not being a headache part, I'm not sure that He is worth more than what JR Smith got.($24.7 mil over 4 years)

He's not top 25 in TS% for SG's which isn't good... although he is certainly an upgrade over Stuckey I'm just not sure I would give up assets for him to pay him $24+ million over 4 years.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#43 » by vege » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:48 am

3/20 is as far as I would go for him. Jonas for Hendo 3/20 sounds like a good deal for everyone.
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Post#44 » by ComboGuardCity » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:58 am

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Show me ONE team that has reached the finals in the last 10 years that didn't have 3 point shooting as a significant part of their rotation. The closest I could find were the Nets/Sixers teams of the early 2000s who ruled the most pathetic conferences in NBA history.

I honestly don't see why this is such a controversial idea, here. If most of your scorers do their best work close to the basket you're going to be an easy team to defend. The farther away from the basket your shooters operate, the more space your slashers and post players get.

We already have our probable 3 biggest minute players lacking not only in 3 point range but even in a reliable mid range game to speak of. Henderson can do some mid range stuff, but he's a below average range player by the standards of his position.


That's a one dimensional measure. If you want to make it to the finals, based off the past decade, you need either a big man + 4 3pt shooters or a superstar perimeter player paired with a big man.


My line isn't arbitrary like your counterexample is (your counterexample also isn't even really true, but that is entirely beside the point).

The principle of spacing and its importance is sound, the fact that NO (or few) team has reached the finals without it was more supporting evidence rather than a concept to be taken at face value in and of itself.

Your scorers need room to operate. An opposing teams defense shouldn't be able to lock you down simply by clogging the lane. Its a sound and very fundamental concept and its evident that contending teams have been utilizing that concept regardless of how their teams are otherwise built. I seriously can't think of one team that was considered a serious threat to win it all without good spacing in the last 20 years.


But I don't think spacing will be that Major an issue IF Monroe can solidly hit the elbow jumper. As long as teams have to respect the open jumper from Josh and Greg, spacing won't be an issue even if it's not a 3pt shot.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#45 » by bennett13 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:05 am

I believe some body like Hendo could improve their 3pt shooting most players do over time. Look at RIP he was only mid range and later in his career stepped out and was a decent 3pt shooter. One positive is that his 3pt percentage has increased making it appear that he could find the stroke from down town. He fits Joe Ds criteria of playing both sides of the ball is not a superstar name could pan out if he is picked up. At worst he could be a very solid 6th man.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#46 » by DetroitPistons » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:05 am

^^ I agree with that. People act like Smith is Ben Wallace. The dude can knock down an open shot. It's not like guys are going to completely ignore him. Also, Monroe is expected to have at least a respectable jumper next season. I think spacing will be good enough and, like I said, if we find out it is a big deal then we can make trades. Right now we just need to upgrade our talent level. If we got Henderson we would have then addressed our biggest issue this offseason and that is athleticism, defense, and overall talent on the wings. KCP, Henderson, and Smith would be good offseason imo.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#47 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:11 am

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That's a one dimensional measure. If you want to make it to the finals, based off the past decade, you need either a big man + 4 3pt shooters or a superstar perimeter player paired with a big man.


My line isn't arbitrary like your counterexample is (your counterexample also isn't even really true, but that is entirely beside the point).

The principle of spacing and its importance is sound, the fact that NO (or few) team has reached the finals without it was more supporting evidence rather than a concept to be taken at face value in and of itself.

Your scorers need room to operate. An opposing teams defense shouldn't be able to lock you down simply by clogging the lane. Its a sound and very fundamental concept and its evident that contending teams have been utilizing that concept regardless of how their teams are otherwise built. I seriously can't think of one team that was considered a serious threat to win it all without good spacing in the last 20 years.


But I don't think spacing will be that Major an issue IF Monroe can solidly hit the elbow jumper. As long as teams have to respect the open jumper from Josh and Greg, spacing won't be an issue even if it's not a 3pt shot.


A reliable mid range shot on a big man can indeed help with spacing.

We've really only seen that mid range shot in short spurts. I'm not saying its not possible he'll develop it but its certainly not something that can be relied upon as an integral part of our plan.

And even IF get that I'd still want better shooting than Knight and Henderson would provide from our backcourt.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#48 » by DetroitPistons » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:17 am

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A reliable mid range shot on a big man can indeed help with spacing.

We've really only seen that mid range shot in short spurts. I'm not saying its not possible he'll develop it but its certainly not something that can be relied upon as an integral part of our plan.

And even IF get that I'd still want better shooting than Knight and Henderson would provide from our backcourt.


Memphis made it to the conference finals dominating the paint with two bigs who could only shoot midrange jumpers and only one 3 point shooter in the starting lineup (Conley), who still was only an average shooter at best. I think Monroe and Smith can do the same. If we sign Henderson he could be our sixth man. KCP can start if it's really that big of an issue. Also, subs can be made with shooters we have on the bench such as Singler, Middleton, and even CV if need be.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#49 » by ImHeisenberg » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:25 am

vege wrote:Joe Dumars played with his father and he is a huge upgrade over whatever thrash we got to play at SG so we should jump all over it. He is athletic and a well rounded SG, our team would be way better with him.

Way to plan ahead!
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#50 » by Snakebites » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:41 am

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A reliable mid range shot on a big man can indeed help with spacing.

We've really only seen that mid range shot in short spurts. I'm not saying its not possible he'll develop it but its certainly not something that can be relied upon as an integral part of our plan.

And even IF get that I'd still want better shooting than Knight and Henderson would provide from our backcourt.


Memphis made it to the conference finals dominating the paint with two bigs who could only shoot midrange jumpers and only one 3 point shooter in the starting lineup (Conley), who still was only an average shooter at best. I think Monroe and Smith can do the same. If we sign Henderson he could be our sixth man. KCP can start if it's really that big of an issue. Also, subs can be made with shooters we have on the bench such as Singler, Middleton, and even CV if need be.


I WISH we had bigs who could reliably shoot midrange jumpers.

And the Grizzlies fell short this year in part because of their spacing. They needed a reliable shooter at one of their two wing spots and they didn't have one.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#51 » by DetroitPistons » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:08 am

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A reliable mid range shot on a big man can indeed help with spacing.

We've really only seen that mid range shot in short spurts. I'm not saying its not possible he'll develop it but its certainly not something that can be relied upon as an integral part of our plan.

And even IF get that I'd still want better shooting than Knight and Henderson would provide from our backcourt.


Memphis made it to the conference finals dominating the paint with two bigs who could only shoot midrange jumpers and only one 3 point shooter in the starting lineup (Conley), who still was only an average shooter at best. I think Monroe and Smith can do the same. If we sign Henderson he could be our sixth man. KCP can start if it's really that big of an issue. Also, subs can be made with shooters we have on the bench such as Singler, Middleton, and even CV if need be.


I WISH we had bigs who could reliably shoot midrange jumpers.

And the Grizzlies fell short this year in part because of their spacing. They needed a reliable shooter at one of their two wing spots and they didn't have one.


I would say they failed more because of lack of overall talent then simply spacing, which also probably played role. However, the main difference between them and us is that we are not contenders. I would be ecstatic if we got as far as them at this point. If we get that far and realize our spacing is truly the thing holding us back then we can adjust later. It's not like we are in championship or bust mode. We have time to work things out while still making a playoff run. If Henderson and Smith don't work then they can become assets for us to use in a trade.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#52 » by Warspite » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:15 am

Henderson is better than KCP. I dont view Stuckey or CV as assets. Jerebko has negative value. If I was Joe I would ask but Im sure he wants 7-8 mil and if we make the trade we cant low ball him. I would think they would take Stuckey + a pick or Singler or maybe Jonas, Mitchell + cap space.
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#53 » by Joe Berry » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:44 am

Hendersons agent is Arn Tellem, and he knows how to get his clients big fat contracts, a lot of overpaid roleplayers...(another reason not to hold onto Knight?)

http://hoopshype.com/agents/arn_tellem.htm

i would have rather signed Teague for 8 a year, i think thats fair value, Stuckey got more btw, thats a missed opportunity :-?
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#54 » by Drumtavious » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:47 am

I'd only want him at 20/3, and he'd have to be a 6th man. He might still play more minutes than KCP, but we would need KCP to start with Smith, Monroe, Drummond for spacing. Bring Hendo on after 5-6 minutes at the same time Gigi/CV /Middleton comes on for Dre
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#55 » by princeofpalace » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:59 am

No thanks to Henderson. We need shooters on the wing, period.
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Post#56 » by DetroitDon15 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:36 pm

No room. :cry:
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Re: Charlotte looking to S&T Gerald Henderson... 

Post#57 » by Kilo » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:04 pm

Singler, a four year Dukie, would probably have certain appeal to Charlotte. They also seem to have roster space to take on a multi-player for one trade.

Is there ANY WAY we could get our pick back from Charlotte in any deal? Not bloody likely. And they also have a vested interest in seeing us bad, therefore probably wouldn't trade us Hendo for a bunch of lesser players.
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