Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 3

[WallTown02]

I think Evans was part of the trade

He was in early versions of the deal but was later removed. Nets roster is actually:

PG Williams / Livingston / Taylor
SG Johnson / Terry
SF Pierce / Kirilenko
PF Garnett / Evans / Teletovic
CE Lopez / Blatche / Plumlee

Even Mason Plumlee is no slouch -- He's a monster on the boards, already.

The only thing I don't like is the lack of athletic wing defenders. The SG and SF positions are collectively a bit too old to defend the quickest athletes.

Team chemistry and minutes could be a concern.

This is a good team for someone like Phil Jackson to take over. There are egos that will need to be suppressed and the team blended. Stars will have to accept lesser roles, while at the same time they will all have to buy in defensively.

I also think long distance shooting is a concern. Williams, Terry and Pierce can all hit threes, but that's not their primary roles on O. Sometimes its necessary to strictly have players out there to spread the floor, hit open threes, and play relentless D on the other end.

[dckingsfan]

...Brooklyn's bench is good but that Celtics bench in 2008 was something else. Tony Allen was a good lock down defender.

I think that is what they want AK47 for? Not sure he can be that player any more though...

[FAH1223]

Even Mason Plumlee is no slouch -- He's a monster on the boards, already.

The only thing I don't like is the lack of athletic wing defenders. The SG and SF positions are collectively a bit too old to defend the quickest athletes.

Team chemistry and minutes could be a concern.

This is a good team for someone like Phil Jackson to take over. There are egos that will need to be suppressed and the team blended. Stars will have to accept lesser roles, while at the same time they will all have to buy in defensively.

I also think long distance shooting is a concern. Williams, Terry and Pierce can all hit threes, but that's not their primary roles on O. Sometimes its necessary to strictly have players out there to spread the floor, hit open threes, and play relentless D on the other end.

Yeah, they need wings who can cover ground and shoot.

Maybe they can sign a guy like Pietrus to the minimum. He helped Pierce and Garnett last Spring when they nearly beat Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals.

[closg00]

The Raptors sign PG Dwight Buycks out of SL, just goes to show that Euro/D-league refuges can land jobs out of SL.

[pancakes3]

I also think long distance shooting is a concern. Williams, Terry and Pierce can all hit threes, but that's not their primary roles on O. Sometimes its necessary to strictly have players out there to spread the floor, hit open threes, and play relentless D on the other end.

Yeah, they need wings who can cover ground and shoot.

Maybe they can sign a guy like Pietrus to the minimum. He helped Pierce and Garnett last Spring when they nearly beat Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals.

I think you guys might be operating on an outdated perception of Pierce. Since '08 he's very much been an off-ball player. Joe Johnson also stretches the floor. Plus KG's range stretches out 18-20 feet as well as Lopez. I don't think spreading the floor, or offense in general is an issue. How high a level defensively they're able to whip up is the big question and even then it's not even that big an issue.

[Dat2U]

The Raptors sign PG Dwight Buycks out of SL, just goes to show that Euro/D-league refuges can land jobs out of SL.

But it's just summer league! It doesn't mean anything!

[Ruzious]

The Raptors sign PG Dwight Buycks out of SL, just goes to show that Euro/D-league refuges can land jobs out of SL.

But it's just summer league! It doesn't mean anything!

But the Raptors ARE a summer league team!

[closg00]

Hey! Ujiri managed to unload Nene and Bargs, let him get to work cleaning-up that mess in Toronto.

[closg00]

Article on the hiring of Mark Price by the Cats. Price has been tasked with recreating MKG's jump-shot
.http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ers-shots/

*sarcasm* This player development thing is soo overblown. If MKG just works hard he can recreate his jumpshot all by himself.

[Upper Decker]

Hey! Ujiri managed to unload Nene and Bargs, let him get to work cleaning-up that mess in Toronto.

Ujiri also paid Nene so getting rid of him is a net zero impact, then he signed McGee to essentially the same contract Nene was on. We'll likely see that he left a mess in Denver with McGee and his 10M+ contract.

[Nivek]

Article on the hiring of Mark Price by the Cats. Price has been tasked with recreating MKG's jump-shot
.http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ers-shots/

*sarcasm* This player development thing is soo overblown. If MKG just works hard he can recreate his jumpshot all by himself.

Man, you're just killing it with these strawman posts.

[Jay81]

question about the cap. Can we go over the cap just because like New Jersey did. For example, if we wanted to offer Bynum 10million a year, could we have done that and then paid luxury tax?

[stevemcqueen1]

Ujiri was doing good work in Denver. Wonder why he got fired? The JaVale extension was probably a mistake, but most of the other contracts in Denver were very affordable and sustainable. Seems like that team was a franchise player away from being big time and the best course was just to wait a little bit and see what came along.

[closg00]

Hey! Ujiri managed to unload Nene and Bargs, let him get to work cleaning-up that mess in Toronto.

Ujiri also paid Nene so getting rid of him is a net zero impact, then he signed McGee to essentially the same contract Nene was on. We'll likely see that he left a mess in Denver with McGee and his 10M+ contract.

"We'll likely see"? Ujiri was voted GM of the year by his peers. Denver wanted to keep Ujiri.

Now that Karl is gone, we will find out soon if the Nene trade will be a net plus or minus.

[FAH1223]

question about the cap. Can we go over the cap just because like New Jersey did. For example, if we wanted to offer Bynum 10million a year, could we have done that and then paid luxury tax?

No. If you're over the cap you can only use exceptions like the MLE or mini MLE (tax payer one that BKN used to sign AK47), vet min, or bi annual exception.

Of course there are trades too which they did as well.

[stevemcqueen1]

question about the cap. Can we go over the cap just because like New Jersey did. For example, if we wanted to offer Bynum 10million a year, could we have done that and then paid luxury tax?

No. If you're over the cap or looking to make a deal that would put you over the cap, you have to qualify for certain cap exceptions to sign players. There was no exception that we could have used to sign Bynum to that type of deal.

The only exceptions we had available this offseason were the mid level exception, which was used to sign Martell; the bi-annual exception, which was used to sign Maynor; the draft pick exceptions you get to sign your draft picks at slot; and the vet min exceptions which we used to fill out the bottom of the roster.

[Upper Decker]

Ujiri was doing good work in Denver. Wonder why he got fired? The JaVale extension was probably a mistake, but most of the other contracts in Denver were very affordable and sustainable. Seems like that team was a franchise player away from being big time and the best course was just to wait a little bit and see what came along.

Ujiri wasn't fired, his contract expired and he was offered $3M to work in Toronto. Josh Kroenke wasn't going to resign him anyways because as the new owner who hasn't worked for anything and was gifted the franchise by his father he figured he's more than qualified to run the operations as team president than Ujiri. Karl got canned because he didn't play Javale and Magic Randolph more.

[Kanyewest]

Ujiri was doing good work in Denver. Wonder why he got fired? The JaVale extension was probably a mistake, but most of the other contracts in Denver were very affordable and sustainable. Seems like that team was a franchise player away from being big time and the best course was just to wait a little bit and see what came along.

I think Masai Ujiri left Denver to Toronto for money- he got 5 years for $15 million.

[Upper Decker]

Hey! Ujiri managed to unload Nene and Bargs, let him get to work cleaning-up that mess in Toronto.

Ujiri also paid Nene so getting rid of him is a net zero impact, then he signed McGee to essentially the same contract Nene was on. We'll likely see that he left a mess in Denver with McGee and his 10M+ contract.

"We'll likely see"? Ujiri was voted GM of the year by his peers. Denver wanted to keep Ujiri.

Now that Karl is gone, we will find out soon if the Nene trade will be a net plus or minus.

Denver refused to match Ujiri's offer from Toronto. Ujiri gave Kroenke the opportunity to match, once refused he moved on to Toronto. If Denver wanted Ujiri they would have matched and retained his services.

[dckingsfan]

Article on the hiring of Mark Price by the Cats. Price has been tasked with recreating MKG's jump-shot
.http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... ers-shots/

*sarcasm* This player development thing is soo overblown. If MKG just works hard he can recreate his jumpshot all by himself.

Man, you're just killing it with these strawman posts.

So it is true that you still hate player development...