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BaTATAS 1.0: DISCUSSION THREAD 1 - LOCK PLEASE!!! 

Post#1 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:18 pm

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Well that last attempt at this failed. We did not get enough activity so I killed it for a while. Let's give it another shot, shall we? I had prepared this for last offseason and then someone else started up a regular Build a Team before I got mine going. However, it ends up working out because the number of players available have rounded out to a lovely 300 players to be divided between 30 teams, after the addition of the new All-Stars this past season...but I am getting ahead of myself a bit.

So...let's get the details out there. Instead of doing a normal Build a Team where you draft the players who are currently in the league...I figured that I would switch it up.

SELECTING A TEAM
This is not first come first serve. I reserve the right to shoot down any request to own a team. However, if you are request and are not selected to own a team, you will be placed in the next slot in the wait list. I say this because if I have owners applying that I know will be active, I am going to give them a team first. Anyone that has proven in the past to be inactive or inexperienced may have to take a backseat.

When giving your proposal to own a team, please fill out the following:

Name your Top 3 Options of teams you wish to own
a.
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c.

E-Mail Address:
Notes:

-When you present your proposal to own a team, it would be wise to at least give me something a little more than just the name of the team you want and contact info. Show me you are going to be an active and great part of this game.


CO-GM's
This is something that I would definitely encourage. Because this B-a-T requires more NBA knowledge and research, the more help you have to run your team...the better. Feel free to have as big of a staff as you would like.

TEAM DETAILS
The league, as currently structured, has 30 teams. This will be the shell for this B-a-T. However, there are a few adjustments that I am willing to make. If the team you choose to own has a history in another city or another name, you have the ability to use it. This change must be made upon sign-up and cannot be changed once the draft order is set. Please include this is your proposal when you sign-up.

ELIGIBLE PLAYERS
Each roster will consist of 10 players, all of which appeared in an NBA All-Star game between today and 1970. While I don't have a specific example in mind...if a player were to have been voted on to the team but missed the game due to injury or any other reason, THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. They must have actually appeared in an NBA All-Star Game. I fully expect there to be some players selected that do not meet this criteria and we will be prepared for it.

-If an ineligible player has been selected, the other 29 owners have two hours to make this known by e-mailing myself.
-After two hours of an ineligible pick, if no recognition of the fault has been made...the pick becomes official, regardless of the benefit or harm it may cause the owner drafting the player.
-This player then becomes eligible and should be judged as any other player in the pool.
-None of us are perfect...I will research every pick that others or I see as ineligible to ensure that it truly is or is not.
-The owner making ANY pick would be wise to include a link to the box score of an All-Star game in which they appeared.
-Ineligible does not refer to players that have already been selected.
-If an owner attempts to select a player that has already been taken, they will be skipped as if the time OTC has run out and the next team in line will be OTC. This owner being skipped will not face the penalties of inactivity.
-It is up to the owner who selected a previously selected player to correct his mistake. I will do my best to inform any owner who may commit this heinous crime.

***If a player made an appearance from 1970 on, every year of their prime is in play. In addition, years spent in the ABA and overseas are also to be taken in to consideration. However, I think we can all agree that anything done in the NBA holds a lot more weight.

As for head coaches, all are available. They do not have to have coached in an All-Star game. You pick a coach that you feel fits your team and you do this only in round 11. However, this person HAS TO HAVE FINISHED A SEASON AS AN NBA HEAD COACH. No current assistant coaches. No player/coaches. No former assistant coaches. No former players that never coached.

If you have ANY questions about who is eligible...player or coach...it would be wise to contact me BEFORE making a pick. We all know the chaos and controversy that ensues when an eligible player or coach is taken.

DRAFTING
There will be 11 rounds in this draft. The first ten will be strictly for players. The 11th round will be strictly for head coaches. The order will be randomly decided and proceed in the snake style. The only difference will be that the 11th round (coaches round) will proceed in the same order as the closing round (10th round, 30th - 1st).

-Rounds 1-2 will allow for 6 Hours per pick
-Rounds 3-6 will allow for 4 Hours per pick
-Round 7-11 will allow for 3 Hours per pick

Once we reach round 6, I will provide each owner a list of the remaining players. Prior to this, you are on your own to do the research. Once I provide the list, if you have any discrepancies or questions as to why a player is not on the list, just send me an e-mail and we can hash it out.

*I reserve the right to adjust these times. Once we reach rounds 7-11, we will vote on whether or not to shut down overnight drafting (2 AM - 8 AM)

Please follow the proper draft etiquette...
- Once your post your pick in thread, it is final. Do not edit your pick.
- DO NOT NAME DROP PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT TAKEN.
-Once you've made a selection, E-Mail the next person OTC to inform them...as well as the person on deck so that they are ready.

TRADING
Trading will open the moment that I post the draft order. All proposals are to be made via E-mail - a list of all contacts will be provided.

-All trades must contain equal picks - no 2 for 1's, 4 for 2's, etc...each team must always contain 11 picks.
-11th round picks are unable to be traded, as they are reserved for head coaches.
-I reserve the right to veto any trade.
-If I veto a trade, the parties involved may appeal by both owners e-mailing me their reasoning behind the trade within two hours of the veto.
-If the reasoning is at least seen as genuine, the veto will be dismissed.
-Official trades must have both parties agree in thread.
-You ARE allowed to trade your pick if you are on the clock. However, the clock does not reset if a pick is traded while OTC.

INACTIVITY
Those that have done one of these B-a-T's with me in the past know that I am a stickler for activity. Do not join unless you really plan on being a part of this. No one wants to wait two weeks to make one pick. I am VERY open to the idea of just simply contracting the league - eliminating a team - due to inactivity. Let me break down my standards for inactivity...

-If any owner misses their first round pick in the allotted time, I will contact the Top 3 owners on the wait list.
-Once the pick has been missed, the first in line has two hours to make a selection - officially taking over as owner.
-If the 1st replacement owner has not made a pick within the two hour window, the second in line will have 1 hour to make a selection - officially taking over as owner.
-If the 2nd in line does not make a pick within their window, the 3rd in line will have 30 minutes to make a selection - officially taking over as owner.
-If the Top 3 in the wait list have been unable to take over the team by making a selection, the team will be eliminated from the league.
-If any replacement owner misses their 2nd round selection - their first with a full clock - there will not be another replacement. The team will be eliminated from the game - in addition to the first round pick being taken out of the draft pool and judgment.
-Past the 1st round, there will not be any more replacement of GM's - just elimination of teams.
-If ANY owner misses more 2 or more picks, they will be eliminated from the game and their players eliminated from the pool and judgement.
-However... if an owner sends his wish list to the owner drafting right after him along with sending their wishlist to myself and their pick is not made for them within the allotted time, they will not suffer any inactivity penalties.

I am quite aware that the times per pick and inactivity rules are quite harsh. That is because I am perfectly fine ending this with 15 teams after starting with 30. I'd rather finish will a group of people that are truly engaged and interested than struggle to make half the league give a $h!t. This is especially true when it comes to the late rounds. Too many people start these things strong and then quit half way through. I am OK with that, but I am not going to wait around every time that teams comes on the clock. If you care and aren't going to be around, send a list to the person drafting after you & myself, you will be covered.

JUDGING
This is a group effort. If your team wishes to qualify for judgement, you must judge the other teams as well. Any owner that wishes to win must present his score card, otherwise they are no longer in the running. Here is a breakdown of how we will judge...

Each owner judging must list their Top 5 teams. Of those Top 5 teams, they must break them down with ratings of 1-10 in each of the following categories (10 being the highest).
-Quality of Talent (x3)
Pretty simple here. We know how good the guys you will draft are/were...just compare the compiled talent to other teams.

-Team Chemistry (x2)
Obviously we can't tell 100% for sure how these guys would play together but you should be looking to create a style of play. Whether it is fast paced, defensive minded, outside shooting, etc...your team should have an identity based on the players on the roster. Your coach should also reflect your style of play.

-Longevity (x2)
Here you are looking for how long a player's prime lasted and what they accomplished in that prime. If a guy had a crazy good four years but then fell off because of injury or just inconsistencies...that could count against you. The idea is to build a team that contends but also has a long shelf life. Not a squad of five studs who only has 3-4 year primes.

Intangibles (x2)
-Intangibles: Players that have the little something that doesn't show up on stat sheets, incredible passion, high energy, determination to win/refusal to lose. Basically the line that gets drawn between a guy who just makes a few All-Star teams in his career with some nice numbers and a guy that does the same but has a distinct imprint on the title that his real life team won.

-Offense

-Defense

-Pimpin'
Once we get close to the end, I will create a roster page so that you may post your roster. Once we finish, this will transform in to the pimpin' page where you go in to detail about why your team is the best. Feel free to use pictures and make it look unique.

The multipliers come in to play with categories that I view as slightly more important than others. In total, there is 120 points to be earned across the 6 categories. There will be no decimals in the judgement process, only whole numbers. Owners will not judge their own team.

LEAGUE TIMELINE
While this is subject to change, this is what I would like to see happen...

Friday, July 12th: Signups Begin
Monday, July 15: Signups Closed @ 8AM EST. Draft Order Determined. Trading Opens Once Order Has Been Posted.
Wednesday, July 17th: Draft Begins @ 8:00 AM EST

THREADS
Eventually I will post a link to each thread once they have been created, but for now...

Sign-Up/Discussion Thread
-Only and all discussion about the league goes in this thread. You will be able to find contact info in here as well. All finalized trades are to be posted in this thread, along with all reactions to picks.
#1: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1263669

Draft Thread
-Strictly for draft picks. The initial post will include the draft order and previous picks. No other posts are to be made that do not have a pick included with them. Do not react to picks in that thread. Do not announce trades. You get the point.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1264322

Roster Thread
-As I mentioned, this is where you will detail your roster. Each owner will make 1 post in this thread that will have anything about their team that they wish to include. Don't make more than 1 post, just continue to edit. This will become the Pimpin' Thread once the draft has been completed.
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1266329

Judgement Thread
-This will be created once the pimping stage has been completed. Every owner is required to judge based on the criteria I listed earlier.

Contact Info/Teams/Picks
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... CRlE#gid=0

QUESTIONS/CONCERNS
With this being different, there are bound to be kinks to work out. You will all have my e-mail and the discussion thread to post your thoughts on. I am open to mid-game changes as long as they are effective and won't alter anything important. If you read through this and realize I am missing something or need to include something, please let me know. This is a group effort and the more active we all are, the more fun this will be.

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Re: B-a-T: All-Time All-Stars 1.0: 3rd Time's a Charm 

Post#2 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:19 pm

Owner Contact Information
-Once I receive all information, I will make an easy to use spreadsheet and get it to everyone. For now, I'll try and keep the E-mails from being copy/paste-able to reduce spam.

**Anyone who had previously signed up at our last attempt will have priority in choosing a team.

Atlanta Hawks - Smash3
Boston Celtics - CinciSixersFan
Charlotte Hornets - jgosche
Chicago Bulls - LBPTarHeel27
Dallas Mavericks - lilroddyb
Denver Nuggets - supplyndemand69
Golden State Warriors - Hooplah
Houston Rockets - Coaster80
LA Lakers - EArl
Miami Heat - SOUL
Milwaukee Bucks - WillyJakkz
Minnesota Timberwolves - Skin
New York Knicks - spree8
Seattle SuperSonics - Grinditout
Orlando Magic - MagicFan32
Philadelphia 76ers - Mahorn at the 4
Portland Trailblazers - CoolKids
San Antonio Spurs - Zmill/bigdogdylan5
Toronto Raptors - LBPTarHeel27
Utah Jazz - Manhattan Project
Washington Bullets - TDJacksonville
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Re: B-a-T: All-Time All-Stars 1.0: 3rd Time's a Charm 

Post#3 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:23 pm

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Re: B-a-T: All-Time All-Stars 1.0: 3rd Time's a Charm 

Post#4 » by TDJacksonville » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:47 pm

ill take Washington Bulletts followed by the Bulls follow by the Seattle Sonics.

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Post#5 » by jgosche » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:09 pm

Do we have to specify which team we want? I really don't care personally, I'll take any of them.

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Post#6 » by SOUL » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:17 pm

heat, sonics or pelicans

i looked back on my old team and wow its horrible. i was so high on it lol. only good player i had was lillard/thompson
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Post#7 » by lilroddyb » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:31 pm

Hey guys, I'd like to join

A Dallar Mavericks
B Utah Jazz
C San antonio Spurs

I lurk Realgm all the time so I would be active.

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Post#8 » by SOUL » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:32 pm

LBP, word of advice, advertise in other bat threads in other forums that are locking up or in GB - thats how i got some people
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Post#9 » by MagicFan32 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:35 pm

I still want to participate
I want the Magic, Warriors, or Clippers
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Post#10 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:45 pm

SOUL wrote:LBP, word of advice, advertise in other bat threads in other forums that are locking up or in GB - thats how i got some people


I advertised on the Knicks board, they are really active over there. Where else would you suggest? I just don't want to get banned or suspended for trying to get this going all over the place.
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Post#11 » by SOUL » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:48 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
SOUL wrote:LBP, word of advice, advertise in other bat threads in other forums that are locking up or in GB - thats how i got some people


I advertised on the Knicks board, they are really active over there. Where else would you suggest? I just don't want to get banned or suspended for trying to get this going all over the place.


yeah thats always tricky. sixers have one i think idk their progress at the moment. usually you shouldnt get banned unless youre literally spamming threads. sometimes ill just make a post in active forums like raptors or knicks or boston, etc. not threads just like singular posts
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Post#12 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:53 pm

jgosche wrote:Do we have to specify which team we want? I really don't care personally, I'll take any of them.

Email: jgosche@mail.usf.edu



Updated the teams.

I gave you Charlotte.
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Post#13 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:03 pm

SOUL wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
SOUL wrote:LBP, word of advice, advertise in other bat threads in other forums that are locking up or in GB - thats how i got some people


I advertised on the Knicks board, they are really active over there. Where else would you suggest? I just don't want to get banned or suspended for trying to get this going all over the place.


yeah thats always tricky. sixers have one i think idk their progress at the moment. usually you shouldnt get banned unless youre literally spamming threads. sometimes ill just make a post in active forums like raptors or knicks or boston, etc. not threads just like singular posts


Went around to the majority of the bigger boards and posted in their general discussion pages. Hopefully we will start getting a decent flow of guys.

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Post#14 » by SOUL » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:09 pm

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Post#15 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:24 pm

Giving myself the Toronto Raptors for now...figure they'd be one of the last teams to get filled. If someone does want them, let me know and I'll switch.
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Post#16 » by EArl » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:29 pm

Hello.
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2)Spurs
3)Jazz
I post a lot on realgm so this seems interesting. Looking forward to doing this.
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Post#17 » by TDJacksonville » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:35 pm

ill also want a cogm so anyone who wants to team up just Message me in my inbox.
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Post#18 » by LBPTarHeel27 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:35 pm

EArl wrote:Hello.
1)Lakers
2)Spurs
3)Jazz
I post a lot on realgm so this seems interesting. Looking forward to doing this.
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Good to have you on board...spread the word. Put it at the bottom of every post, lol.

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Post#19 » by EArl » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:44 pm

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Post#20 » by Snakebites » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:32 pm

Question:

If you guys are drafting players who have been all stars since the 1970s, what difference does what team you have make?

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