doubt starting to creep in..

[reazun]

after Ferry got rid of Joe's contract I was on the Danny Ferry bandwagon, but.. I am starting to doubt his abilities. Most cap room in the NBA has gotten us what should be Horfords backup. he wanted Bynum, blew it, he wanted Monta and blew it, he wanted Dwight and blew it, he wanted CP3, nothing he really could have done there, but we still didnt get him. I am not saying I wanted all those guys, but still, if he wanted them why cant he get someone to sign? plus we got nothing for Josh and nothing for Jeff...Aint this why Lebron left? Lebron wanted Ferry to get him some help and time after time Ferry couldnt get it done, then Lebron dipped out. If Im just being negative, please talk some sense into me. but the guy seems to be failing miserably right now. Ok im done venting.

[jagstang76]

I totally understand where you're coming from. It's so hard seeing a team with talent already on the roster and options financially get nothing this offseason. I do still have faith that while not all has maybe gone according to Plan A, we can see them maintain flexibility and develop players to become what we hope will be a solid, consistent team. I don't like that we are planning to roll with no true C. It means we will get dominated by teams like IND and HOU. So, I'm not happy about it, but I'm OK with rebuilding around the core players we have. Perhaps Ferry's luck will hold and get us one of the better players in the 2014 draft. He will look like a genius should it work out.

[Jamaaliver]

You are not alone reazun. Ferry's list of failures continues to grow.

Not getting anything n return for Josh is infuriating.

But, Ferry signed Lou last year to a great contract, and his draftees seem like perfect fits for what we are trying to do long term. I am losing faith as well, but he has a couple of wins under his belt.

Fortunately, he hasn't made any terrible moves. He just hasn't made any great ones either.

[parson]

He wanted Howard? True.
He wanted Bynum? False, as he never offered a contract.

One of his is positives, to me, has been not only dumping Joe and Marvelous but doing so in a way that allowed flexibility. His biggest accomplishment has been drafting well. Jenkins was a hit (in an area where most GMs stike out most of the time). Scott was a hit - and 2nd round hits are rare, even if only for the bench. This year, having now seen Nogueira, Schroeder and Muscala, I have to say I'm really impressed. Schroeder is a definite pro. I'm not calling him a superstar but he will make an NBA roster and will probably start. Nogueira will make it, as well, but his strength will determine whether he's a starter or a backup. Muscala has a well-developed game with strength being his question mark, as well. Schroeder and Nogueira are lottery-level talents whom we only got because of their youth.

Ferry can create a solid financial structure and he can evaluate prospects. That's better than we've had since around 1970, which is as far as I go back with this team. His negative has been signing major FAs. That's only easy in LA and NY.

[ATL Boy]

He wanted Howard? True.
He wanted Bynum? False, as he never offered a contract.

One of his is positives, to me, has been not only dumping Joe and Marvelous but doing so in a way that allowed flexibility. His biggest accomplishment has been drafting well. Jenkins was a hit (in an area where most GMs stike out most of the time). Scott was a hit - and 2nd round hits are rare, even if only for the bench. This year, having now seen Nogueira, Schroeder and Muscala, I have to say I'm really impressed. Schroeder is a definite pro. I'm not calling him a superstar but he will make an NBA roster and will probably start. Nogueira will make it, as well, but his strength will determine whether he's a starter or a backup. Muscala has a well-developed game with strength being his question mark, as well. Schroeder and Nogueira are lottery-level talents whom we only got because of their youth.

Ferry can create a solid financial structure and he can evaluate prospects. That's better than we've had since around 1970, which is as far as I go back with this team. His negative has been signing major FAs. That's only easy in LA and NY.

Agree with everything here, especially the bolded part. No matter what Ferry does he can't force FAs to sign here, it's not his fault that major FAs don't want to sign Atlanta. Dwight was very open about not wanting to play here from day 1 and Paul re-signed with LAC right away. We did get nothing for Josh but to do an S&T the Free Agent has to agree to the trade and it looks like Josh wanted major money from Detroit more so than he did from Houston. I won't be happy if we don't match Teague's contract if for nothing more than to make him a trade chip next offseason, and if we don't pursue another Center like Dalembert or Stiemsma.

But look at what Ferry has done so far: he cleared 2 awful contracts that were setting us back for years, he has drafted GREAT so far, even though he hasn't signed any major FAs he's been smart with his plan B signings giving only 2 year deals to Millsap and Carrol making them easily tradeable next offseason (Korver got 4 years but he'll also be tradeable).

[tcorbin]

I like everything Ferry is doing. he is thinking seven steps ahead and focusing on becoming a contender in the long term and not a pretender in the short term.

Ferry's draft picks have also been doing well. Jenkins looks like a value pick, and i think if Doron Lamb fell to the Hawks, Ferry would have still taken Mike Scott. which is the right move, because Doron hasn't even looked good in the D-league

[dms269]

I don't see Ferry not getting anything for Smith a failure. Did he lose him for nothing? Sure, but if no one is offering you anything for your players then you can't really do anything there. Josh killed his own value with shooting jumpers and saying he was a max player. No team wanted to trade for him at that point or give anything of value.

[D21]

Lebron wanted Ferry to get him some help and time after time Ferry couldnt get it done, then Lebron dipped out...

Not sure at all about this part :
- everybody should stop talking about CLE as a team that was a one man only : it was all on James, but please, lots of team would have been OK to have some of their 2nd or 3rd option.
They had a good team, in 2007, and even later with Shaq.
They didn't win it because of Mike Brown bad coaching, and that's nearly all. And I'm pretty sure James won't be coming back to CLE as long as Mike Brown is the head coach.
- it was said that every trade and signing were approved by James, like Howard in ORL, both certainly have choice on any trade, and then they cry saying they don't have the help they wanted : sure they wanted at least 2 or 3 all-stars to be sure to win something.

[Jamaaliver]

We did get nothing for Josh but to do an S&T the Free Agent has to agree to the trade and it looks like Josh wanted major money from Detroit more so than he did from Houston.

I don't see Ferry not getting anything for Smith a failure. Did he lose him for nothing? Sure, but if no one is offering you anything for your players then you can't really do anything there. Josh killed his own value with shooting jumpers and saying he was a max player. No team wanted to trade for him at that point or give anything of value.

You guys got it wrong. Ferry had offers for Josh on Day One. He ignored them until Josh's trade value had gone from an All Time High to an All Time Low.

From June 2012:

Teams have been calling the Atlanta Hawks all week to register trade interest in swingman Josh Smith, according to sources close to the situation.

And one of those teams, sources said, is the Orlando Magic, who know that Smith ranks as one of Dwight Howard's closest friends.

But new Hawks general manager Danny Ferry apparently isn't ready to part with Smith right away.

Boston, Houston and the Los Angeles Lakers -- with Pau Gasol as the prime piece being offered in L.A.'s case -- have joined Orlando this week in making their interest in Smith known.

Yet as Ferry settles into the job, sources say he wants to take stock of things before deciding if he's prepared to go into next season without Smith, who is entering the final year of his contract at $13.2 million and has let it be known for some time that he'd welcome a trade. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... th-for-now

He failed to get anything of value for Josh by refusing to act.
Tis will forever be a black mark on his tenure here in ATL.
Dude dropped the ball. From Day One.

[Jamaaliver]

In Rick Sunds own words:

My approach coming here, to be clear, is to try to have a value-based identity with good guys that play hard, play together, share the ball and that can be professional on the court.

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2012/06/25/atlanta-hawks-danny-ferry-uncut/?cxntfid=blogs_hawks
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From the start Josh did not fit in with the desired culture Ferry wanted to establish here. It took 6 months for Ferry to realize this, which was too late.

It's worth noting that only One team fully pursued Josh this summer. Other GMs saw his stock drop significantly over the last year and wanted nothing to do with him.

Again, u trade a stock at its highest value...not its lowest. Ferry misplayed his hand.

It's even worse when you remember that we offered Smoove a 3 year extension. Dear God...what if he'd actually signed it? We'd be even more screwed.

[dms269]

We have no idea what the offers were though. There is nothing in the thread HMFFL posted that sounded like a good deal. Orlando was interested, but outside of Dwight there really wasn't a ton. We might have been able to trade for Pay, nut his contract, age, and game didn't mix well with our team.

Y'all expected him to be able to flip Josh for stud players, which was not the case. Those were never likely on the table to begin with.

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[Jamaaliver]

We have no idea what the offers were though. There is nothing in the thread HMFFL posted that sounded like a good deal. Orlando was interested, but outside of Dwight there really wasn't a ton. We might have been able to trade for Pay, nut his contract, age, and game didn't mix well with our team.

Y'all expected him to be able to flip Josh for stud players, which was not the case. Those were never likely on the table to begin with.

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Trades ranging from Pau Gasol to a 2nd round draft pick would have been better than nothing.

The Rockets are accumulating draft picks with the hope of acquiring Dwight Howard, but their secondary strategy is to pursue Josh Smith.

Houston is prepared to trade for Howard without an assurance for an extension.

The Rockets could also pursue other marquee players beyond Smith with their plethora of picks.

Houston's draft picks (that months later were used to acquire Harden) would have been a nice package, also.

Ferry lost our two best players and received one mid 1st round draft pick for them. All so he could pursue a player who has said repeatedly he has no desire to play here. (Dwight)

[tcorbin]

Ferry was never going to trade Josh to a team that was bidding for Dwight, that would have been counter intuitive, because Ferry's main goal was to enter the Dwight sweepstakes.

Ferry was only going to trade Josh to a team that had no chance in bidding or landing Dwight. nobody wants a player who might not re-sign, and the reason why the Bucks trade offer for Dwight didn't go through is because the contracts didn't match up, so the Bucks deal was dead from the very start.

[Jamaaliver]

We have no idea what the offers were though.

Boston also was rumored to have offered a draft pick last summer for Josh, plus extras for salary purposes.

Rumors were flying around Celtics camp before Thursday night's draft, and one such rumor had the C's in active talks with the Hawks about acquiring Smith. In return the likely package would include a first-round draft pick, Brandon Bass and likely one other piece.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012/06/report-celtics- ... osh-smith/

[dms269]

We have no idea what the offers were though.

Boston also was rumored to have offered a draft pick last summer for Josh, plus extras for salary purposes.

Rumors were flying around Celtics camp before Thursday night's draft, and one such rumor had the C's in active talks with the Hawks about acquiring Smith. In return the likely package would include a first-round draft pick, Brandon Bass and likely one other piece.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012/06/report-celtics- ... osh-smith/

Wasn't the Boston rumor something like Bass and Lee and the pick? That means that we would have had to taken 2 bad contracts just to get a first.

People say we got nothing but in reality we got cap space, which we then used to go after Millsap, Carroll, Korver.

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[Jamaaliver]

Wasn't the Boston rumor something like Bass and Lee and the pick? That means that we would have had to taken 2 bad contracts just to get a first.

People say we got nothing but in reality we got cap space, which we then used to go after Millsap, Carroll, Korver.

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Man, you are trying to defend the HELL out of Ferry...

Bass and Lee were not even under contract last summer. We were looking into a sign and trade. Which we could make as long (or short) as necessary to procure that extra draft pick.

There were opportunities to end up with cap space AND a draft pick. Ferry waited Until the last minute to try and trade Smoove.

He dropped the ball. And spending the extra savings on Kyle Korver and Dermarre Carroll is NOT a consolation.
Milsap was procured with the savings from dumping JJ and Marvin.

[tcorbin]

We have no idea what the offers were though.

Boston also was rumored to have offered a draft pick last summer for Josh, plus extras for salary purposes.

Rumors were flying around Celtics camp before Thursday night's draft, and one such rumor had the C's in active talks with the Hawks about acquiring Smith. In return the likely package would include a first-round draft pick, Brandon Bass and likely one other piece.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012/06/report-celtics- ... osh-smith/

Who the hell would want Brandon Bass

[Jamaaliver]

Sund, a week before Ferry showed up, had already laid the groundwork for potential Smoove trades for draft picks:

June 2012

— The Hawks are said to be one team placing calls to improve their draft position. They currently own the No. 23 pick. One GM said the Hawks floated the names of both Josh Smith and Marvin Williams as potential trade chips.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/19/12/NBA-Rumors--Draft-News-Day-10/landing.html?blockID=748790&feedID=3725

[Jamaaliver]

We have no idea what the offers were though.

Boston also was rumored to have offered a draft pick last summer for Josh, plus extras for salary purposes.

Rumors were flying around Celtics camp before Thursday night's draft, and one such rumor had the C's in active talks with the Hawks about acquiring Smith. In return the likely package would include a first-round draft pick, Brandon Bass and likely one other piece.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2012/06/report-celtics- ... osh-smith/

Who the hell would want Brandon Bass

It's not about Bass. He was just part of it to make salaries match. It was about the draft pick.

That Boston draft pick could have netted us Festus Ezuli, Perry Jones III.

[tcorbin]

Boston also was rumored to have offered a draft pick last summer for Josh, plus extras for salary purposes.

Who the hell would want Brandon Bass

It's not about Bass. He was just part of it to make salaries match. It was aiut the draft pick.

That Boston draft pick could have netted us Festus Ezuli, Perry Jones III.

Brandon Bass does not get the team into the Dwight sweepstakes. have you even been paying attention the last year.