Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

[East Bay Sports]

That's the part that makes no sense of the TS's hypothetical trade. I can understand the Lee part, but we are supposed to just give away Barnes for a top 10 protected pick? That is asinine. I wouldn't do it for a top 5 protected pick either. Unprotected and my ears perk a little, but I'm still not pulling the trigger I don't think.

[ChuckDurn]

It's pretty clear that Barnes isn't going anywhere unless we are getting an All-Star potential player back. (Very evident from the way the front office is approaching things.) Frankly, if we traded you Barnes and Lee, Milwaukee wouldn't be among the 10 worst teams in the league anyway, so that protection would hardly matter on the draft pick.

The only assets the Bucks have that I would consider (and expect the W's front office to consider) giving Barnes up for would be Henson or Sanders, and even those aren't straight 1-for-1. Just that there'd be no consideration for giving up Barnes unless at least one of those guys was coming back as part of the deal.

Suffice it to say that if the Warriors trade Barnes, it will be a deal in which we say "wow.... look who we've got coming back." Sorry, but none of Ilyasova, Udoh, or a protected pick does that even remotely.

[MrPerfect1]

Lee for Ersan and Udoh straight up is about the closest thing to a real trade warriors would realistically accept after engaging in talks like this. Milwaukee would still be getting the best player in the trade.

Ersan Ilysova has more value around the league than David Lee. Ersan makes 50% less roughly/year, is 4 years younger, and has an equal PER to Lee the last 2 years basically. This is without counting the fact that Lee is 1 of the worst defenders in the League.

Whether or not Lee or Ilyasova has more value specifically to the Warriors is debatable. A stretch 4 may have less value for GS than other teams since they have great outside shooting already. Then again, many credit GS's success in the playoffs at least partially to Lee being injured.

[JimmyTD3]

Hey we have a thread going on the MKE board about acquiring a SF, and stopped in to see if this deal would work for Barnes. First off I know you guys aren't selling for pennies on the dollar, and I also realize that you don't need cap savings as much as you did last week. Also, please don't counter for Henson or Sanders as its been clear that our management is choosing to build around them.

So;

GSW OUT: David Lee, Barnes
GSW IN: Ersan, Udoh, 14 top 10 protected pick

GSW saves money, and gets a stretch 4 on a much better deal than Lee. Also gets what would likely be a middle first round pick in a great draft. You guys know what Udoh brings, and if you want additional savings you could always choose not to extend the QO next year with him.

Thoughts?

As a dubs fan, I wouldn't do this.

We're already a good team, we don't need any more draft picks. Especially top-10 protected, where we have pretty much no shot of getting an impact big. Average age of Curry, Klay, and Barnes is 23.

We also don't need to save money. We're in "win-now" mode and money doesn't win games, talent does.

Lee > Udoh...even with his defensive deficiencies, one is an all-star nba all-third team PF in his prime who led the league in double doubles, the other is a nice backup F/C.

Barnes > Ilyasova. We're going to build around Curry/Klay/Barnes. Just like how you guys are building around Henson and Sanders. Our GM said our goal in the off-season was to not trade any of our core unless an absolutely amazing opportunity came around, and Ilyasova, while a very nice player, is not that opportunity.

Pass

[FNQ]

Remove the protection and we can talk

And then remove Barnes, and we can listen.

Keep Ersan and his trade value, we'll keep Lee and his actual value

[whocurrz]

Lee for Ersan and Udoh straight up is about the closest thing to a real trade warriors would realistically accept after engaging in talks like this. Milwaukee would still be getting the best player in the trade.

Ersan Ilysova has more value around the league than David Lee. Ersan makes 50% less roughly/year, is 4 years younger, and has an equal PER to Lee the last 2 years basically. This is without counting the fact that Lee is 1 of the worst defenders in the League.

Whether or not Lee or Ilyasova has more value specifically to the Warriors is debatable. A stretch 4 may have less value for GS than other teams since they have great outside shooting already. Then again, many credit GS's success in the playoffs at least partially to Lee being injured.

Trust me I think I would rather have Ersan for his salary than Lee for his, but he also rode the bench this year and doesn't have the consistent production Lee has posted throughout his career. Also his defense improved markedly when he didn't have to play C and actually played next to one. Udoh is a looking to be the 4th or 5th big off the bench and making more money than he's currently meriting. Bucks don't have much leverage there.

Trust me I like the idea but making us give up Barnes and saying fa player like Henson is untouchable in that circumstance is completely laughable.

[Dasein]

Hey we have a thread going on the MKE board about acquiring a SF, and stopped in to see if this deal would work for Barnes. First off I know you guys aren't selling for pennies on the dollar, and I also realize that you don't need cap savings as much as you did last week. Also, please don't counter for Henson or Sanders as its been clear that our management is choosing to build around them.

So;

GSW OUT: David Lee, Barnes
GSW IN: Ersan, Udoh, 14 top 10 protected pick

GSW saves money, and gets a stretch 4 on a much better deal than Lee. Also gets what would likely be a middle first round pick in a great draft. You guys know what Udoh brings, and if you want additional savings you could always choose not to extend the QO next year with him.

Thoughts?

are you joking me?

[M-C-G]

Not joking you, not at all. Came to ask the question, totally understand if you don't agree with the offer.

Reason Sanders and Henson are "untouchable" is the organization is building around them. They are billing Henson and Sanders on the websites, public events, etc. And we believe the only reason that our GM has a job, not that we agree with it in the least.

No worries if you don't like the deal, like I said, just checking the consensus over here. I'll have to say, I am pretty surprised though that Lee has the positive value on that contract. Definitely something I underestimated when coming here with the offer.

[JimmyTD3]

Not joking you, not at all. Came to ask the question, totally understand if you don't agree with the offer.

Reason Sanders and Henson are "untouchable" is the organization is building around them. They are billing Henson and Sanders on the websites, public events, etc. And we believe the only reason that our GM has a job, not that we agree with it in the least.

No worries if you don't like the deal, like I said, just checking the consensus over here. I'll have to say, I am pretty surprised though that Lee has the positive value on that contract. Definitely something I underestimated when coming here with the offer.

Again, Lee is not perfect. But he's one of the best offensive bigs in the league. If he was perfect he'd be Tim Duncan.

14MM a year is fair value for an All-Star PF in his prime.

'Clearing out' his salary makes no sense to me. We're gonna need another starting PF, who we will probably pay as much as Lee, who will have his own warts. Not every player on your team can be All-Star caliber on a rookie-scale contract.

[old rem]

Hey we have a thread going on the MKE board about acquiring a SF, and stopped in to see if this deal would work for Barnes. First off I know you guys aren't selling for pennies on the dollar, and I also realize that you don't need cap savings as much as you did last week. Also, please don't counter for Henson or Sanders as its been clear that our management is choosing to build around them.

So;

GSW OUT: David Lee, Barnes
GSW IN: Ersan, Udoh, 14 top 10 protected pick

GSW saves money, and gets a stretch 4 on a much better deal than Lee. Also gets what would likely be a middle first round pick in a great draft. You guys know what Udoh brings, and if you want additional savings you could always choose not to extend the QO next year with him.

Thoughts?

You had the audacity to protect the pick? Seriously?

It was DEAD without ANY protection on the pick. What's Ersan to us? He isn't better than Speights as a PF (nor is Udoh) and not a plus ...really..to us as a SF. GSW gives 2 quality starters for bench filler and a stinkin' PROTECTED pick in a year??? Seriously?

[old rem]

Remove the protection and we can talk

Yeah, can't see that happening with the top 5 of this draft being so strong.

Based on...oh...they looked good playing HIGH SCHOOL opponents....whatever.

As is...the Bucks look like a team tanking....will be drafting top 7. If GSW chose to screw themselves...they slide, but it still makes the Bucks borderline to escape the Lotto zone. So...MAYBE GSW gets #15.....maybe they don't see this pick till the protect fades a year or two later. Sucks for GSW. Take out Barnes and it's STILL a risk for GSW.

[MrPerfect1]

You had the audacity to protect the pick? Seriously?

It was DEAD without ANY protection on the pick. What's Ersan to us? He isn't better than Speights as a PF (nor is Udoh) and not a plus ...really..to us as a SF. GSW gives 2 quality starters for bench filler and a stinkin' PROTECTED pick in a year??? Seriously?

You think Speights is as good as Ersan???? Speights put up a Win Share of 1.4 each of the last 2 years, Ersan put up Win Shares of 6.4 and 6.7.

Heck, Ersan put up more win shares last year than Speights + Klay Thompson combined. You can argue that the Warriors do not need more outside shooting, but at least don't compare 2 players nothing alike.

Speights is about as close to Ersan as Jennings is to Stephen Curry (not close at all)

[ChuckDurn]

You think Speights is as good as Ersan???? Speights put up a Win Share of 1.4 each of the last 2 years, Ersan put up Win Shares of 6.4 and 6.7.

Heck, Ersan put up more win shares last year than Speights + Klay Thompson combined. You can argue that the Warriors do not need more outside shooting, but at least don't compare 2 players nothing alike.

Speights is about as close to Ersan as Jennings is to Stephen Curry (not close at all)

I will agree with this..... Ilyasova >> Speights. While Ilyasova may have a PER similar to Lee's, there's a reason Lee is All-Star or close, while Ilyasova isn't even in the conversation. Lee is a better player than Ersan, more dangerous and dependable...... though his contract is exorbitant. Speights is a full notch below Ilyasova, no denying that.

[turk3d]

Ersan Ilysasova makes almost 8M dollars and has 4 years remaining on his contract. I don't think he's worth 2 1/2 times what Speights is making on a lesser # of years and the hit that our cap would have to absorb if we made this deal. Sorry, no thanks.

[M-C-G]

Not joking you, not at all. Came to ask the question, totally understand if you don't agree with the offer.

Reason Sanders and Henson are "untouchable" is the organization is building around them. They are billing Henson and Sanders on the websites, public events, etc. And we believe the only reason that our GM has a job, not that we agree with it in the least.

No worries if you don't like the deal, like I said, just checking the consensus over here. I'll have to say, I am pretty surprised though that Lee has the positive value on that contract. Definitely something I underestimated when coming here with the offer.

Again, Lee is not perfect. But he's one of the best offensive bigs in the league. If he was perfect he'd be Tim Duncan.

14MM a year is fair value for an All-Star PF in his prime.

'Clearing out' his salary makes no sense to me. We're gonna need another starting PF, who we will probably pay as much as Lee, who will have his own warts. Not every player on your team can be All-Star caliber on a rookie-scale contract.

For what it is worth, Ersan is a 25 year old PF, who is (in my opinion) a very capable starter.

[turk3d]

He may be, but we already have one who's an all star. Why would we want him and his contract when the one we have is better than he is?

[RoyalMajesty]

David Lee is a double-double machine and an all-star. Even though he is overpaid, at least he gives us something in return compared to other PFs like Tyrus Thomas, Drew Gooden, Charlie Villanueva, Amare, Bargnani, Carlos Boozer, Nene, Humphries, and so on. I just don't get the hate on David Lee on this board and why Warriors fans are so quick to move David Lee. He's the best PF we had since Chris Webber and he's a great guy in the locker room. Warriors can do a lot worst than David Lee. Overall, this trade offer wouldn't happen. Maybe if it was Larry Riley back at GM, this might happen with him LOL!

[and1GS]

That's the part that makes no sense of the TS's hypothetical trade. I can understand the Lee part, but we are supposed to just give away Barnes for a top 10 protected pick? That is asinine. I wouldn't do it for a top 5 protected pick either. Unprotected and my ears perk a little, but I'm still not pulling the trigger I don't think.

Agreed. We aren't dumping a useless player here. It's an obvious salary dump but Lee is an obviously good player.

[RGMirs]

No way OP--huge rip off. David Lee might hurt us defensively but he was a consistent offensive threat that took us to the playoffs and has amazing chemistry with our squad. And Barnes has a bright future. Not worth trading for what you offered. Maybe if you add in Sanders we can talk.

[GSWBlooded93]

Lee for Ersan and Udoh straight up is about the closest thing to a real trade warriors would realistically accept after engaging in talks like this. Milwaukee would still be getting the best player in the trade.

Ersan Ilysova has more value around the league than David Lee. Ersan makes 50% less roughly/year, is 4 years younger, and has an equal PER to Lee the last 2 years basically. This is without counting the fact that Lee is 1 of the worst defenders in the League.

Whether or not Lee or Ilyasova has more value specifically to the Warriors is debatable. A stretch 4 may have less value for GS than other teams since they have great outside shooting already. Then again, many credit GS's success in the playoffs at least partially to Lee being injured.

That's ridiculous, it's not like we're trying to get rid of David Lee, just because he isn't that great on defense doesn't mean his other attributes are worthless. He's still a great power forward who can get points and grab rebounds. I think you're comparing Ersan way to close to Lee, his salary may not be a little overpaid, but he is definitely more useful to us than Ersan is, not to say Ersan is a terrible player or anything.

Also, some people might have said his injury helped us in the playoffs, but we could have really used him against the Spurs, I believe he was the missing piece when we were facing the Spurs.