Trade Thread (REVENGE OF THE NERDS II: NERDS IN PARADISE)

[Takingbaconback]

what about a 3way trade.

gsw gets love, udoh, our own 2014 2nd and 2017 1st
mil gets barnes
min gets lee and 2014 mil 1st top 10 protected

Keep your lee and mil top 10 protected pick. What an awful deal, wouldn't even do it for an unprotected one.

[siar617]

Would you do Barnes, Bogut for Chandler.

[DLeagueAllStars]

No we wouldnt... Only center upgrade barnes gets sent for us marc gasol

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[Coxy]

Not joking you, not at all. Came to ask the question, totally understand if you don't agree with the offer.

Reason Sanders and Henson are "untouchable" is the organization is building around them. They are billing Henson and Sanders on the websites, public events, etc. And we believe the only reason that our GM has a job, not that we agree with it in the least.

No worries if you don't like the deal, like I said, just checking the consensus over here. I'll have to say, I am pretty surprised though that Lee has the positive value on that contract. Definitely something I underestimated when coming here with the offer.

What is a 20/10 all star PF on good % supposed to earn? If its less than what Lee earns, id be shocked.

Lee is also great in the locker room and a leader.

This deal really does suck though. We dont improve in any way. We'd be bending over and taking it large with no Lube. No thankyou.

[TaylorMonkey]

Remove the protection and we can talk

Yeah, can't see that happening with the top 5 of this draft being so strong.

Lee for Ersan/Udoh is not the worst thing in the world. It's about one of 3 deals I would even think about.

Barnes as a guaranteed NBA starter talent is worth more than a 2014 11th pick at best.

That's all kinds of horrible.

Our success in playoffs without Lee is mainly due to a matchup against Denver. We discovered we play small ball better than they do, and they made the mistake of going small with us. We were also aided by Lee's matchup in Faried being hobbled for half the series.

We'll probably just end up picking up Udoh for cheap after next year or something. We seem to be the only guys who appreciate him while Milwaukee collects 4's to bury him under.

[Rob Rowell]

I'd do Lee and barnes for Dirk and Matrix

[Total_Package]

Hey we have a thread going on the MKE board about acquiring a SF, and stopped in to see if this deal would work for Barnes. First off I know you guys aren't selling for pennies on the dollar, and I also realize that you don't need cap savings as much as you did last week. Also, please don't counter for Henson or Sanders as its been clear that our management is choosing to build around them.

So;

GSW OUT: David Lee, Barnes
GSW IN: Ersan, Udoh, 14 top 10 protected pick

GSW saves money, and gets a stretch 4 on a much better deal than Lee. Also gets what would likely be a middle first round pick in a great draft. You guys know what Udoh brings, and if you want additional savings you could always choose not to extend the QO next year with him.

Thoughts?

I've watched Bucks games for the last 7 years... so I am not sure if you are serious? Ersan , Udoh and protected pick for Lee and Barnes?? LOL! must have come down in the last shower.

Ersan is average at best and nowhere near all-star level... in fact he is a tryer and that's about it. To then ask on top for one of the best young kids in the league.... there is no way this could get done.

I think Ersan would do well in a good team but he is worth a 2nd rounder at best on his own.

[Coxy]

I'd do Lee and barnes for Dirk and Matrix

Barnes youth us the biggest factor here when your shipping him out for Dirk and Marion, who are both turning 137 years old soon.

Don't get me wrong, I love Dirk, but Barnes has barely escaped puberty, whilst Dirk is nearing menopause.

[Coxy]

Would you do Barnes, Bogut for Chandler.

[gswhoops]

No chance.

Might do Lee for Ersan straight up, or with some minor incentives...but no way we're giving up Barnes to get Udoh (who has been pretty unimpressive in Milwaukee IIRC) and a top-10 protected pick.

[Special-K]

You dont make the deals we just made to land Iggy to then regress and trade 2 starters for a stinkin ping pong ball thats has a stupid protection. If that were the case they we shoulda just kept our picks and expirings.

Bad deal - /thread

[turk3d]

Remove the protection and we can talk

Yeah, can't see that happening with the top 5 of this draft being so strong.

Lee for Ersan/Udoh is not the worst thing in the world. It's about one of 3 deals I would even think about.

Barnes as a guaranteed NBA starter talent is worth more than a 2014 11th pick at best.

That's all kinds of horrible.

Our success in playoffs without Lee is mainly due to a matchup against Denver. We discovered we play small ball better than they do, and they made the mistake of going small with us. We were also aided by Lee's matchup in Faried being hobbled for half the series.

We'll probably just end up picking up Udoh for cheap after next year or something. We seem to be the only guys who appreciate him while Milwaukee collects 4's to bury him under.

I think that the biggest reason that we beat Denver was their loss of Gallo, one of the guys who can do sever damage to the Warriors since he';s the one who could neutralize our 3 pt shooting. Don't know who we had that would be capable of guarding him. Very togh match when he's on. Irsan might be worth a high first, but we don't have any firsts for a while so you might want to look elsewhere.

[old rem]

But for me personally I'd look into Ersan/Henson/2014/2016 for Barnes and lee

haha really you think barnes is worth more than the upgrade from udoh to henson + 2014 unprotected 1st as well as a 2016 1st?

it's pretty widely accepted that udoh + ersan for lee would be beneficial.

So...what's the standard now...used to be overpay to get a STAR....now it's trade an All Star for "whatever" ????

What exactly does Illyasova add? Does he rebound a bunch? Is he gonna score a bunch? Is he a plus on D? Not finding te evidence. Udoh? Well...he will block a shot,get 2 boards and 4 points...and we hired JO to do that and a bit more. Once Festus is healthy...what's Udoh gonna do? Get traded...along with Illyasovw for not much.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

People also easily dismiss that the loss of Lee coincided with the most consistent, stable play of Bogut we had seen to date. I certainly think it would have been a tougher series with Gallinari healthy, but I think our improvement had more to do with the addition of Bogut than the subtraction of Lee.

And for the record, to the initial deal, no. Just no. Almost everyone who pops in here to make a trade offer suggests something that begins with, "The Warriors save money", which is a euphemism for "The Warriors get worse", at a time when we're far more interested in improving than saving money.

[Onus]

old rem you're gripe is ersan + udoh for lee?

Now that we have jo there isn't as much of a need for udoh. Though udoh is younger and much less of a risk health wise compared to jo. What happens when jo retires? Who fills his spot? Udoh also does something that neither bogut or festus do, which is hit fts, so we can actually keep an actual rim protector in at all times of the game without fear of hack-a-whoever and wasting possessions. So yea Udoh could fill a role here.

Ersan is a legitimate threat from 3. I wish his volume was higher from 3, but a career 38% from 3 is good and he can legitimately play the 4 at least as well as lee does defensively. His 3 point range opens up the paint so that Steph can have more drives into the paint as well as Iggy. Essentially he boosts our offense by providing more spacing, allowing our most efficient player Steph to create and generate better looks. While not being a negative on defense and boxing out, it'll allow bogut and iggy to get rebounds. And we no longer miss Lee and have an additional asset in udoh to boot. Though honestly I would much rather have henson than udoh.

[Jester_]

haha really you think barnes is worth more than the upgrade from udoh to henson + 2014 unprotected 1st as well as a 2016 1st?

it's pretty widely accepted that udoh + ersan for lee would be beneficial.

So...what's the standard now...used to be overpay to get a STAR....now it's trade an All Star for "whatever" ????

What exactly does Illyasova add? Does he rebound a bunch? Is he gonna score a bunch? Is he a plus on D? Not finding te evidence. Udoh? Well...he will block a shot,get 2 boards and 4 points...and we hired JO to do that and a bit more. Once Festus is healthy...what's Udoh gonna do? Get traded...along with Illyasovw for not much.

Ersan shoots 40% from deep. He grabs 7 boards a game and is a solid defender.

[floppymoose]

I'd do the trade with top3 protection instead of top10. Bucks still preserve their Wiggins shot. GS spreads the floor better at the 4 and defends better at the 5, and gets a pick that is likely pretty good.

[dankchops]

we're a contender now. that's why it is idiotic to trade our all-star power forward for two mediocre bench players. that's not beneficial. especially with bogut at center. then, you trade barnes who is very promising (even jerry west is exclaiming "whoa" when seeing him develop) for a 15th pick next year? and another pick in 4 years? lmao, just stupid. stop thinking like we're a lottery team

[cj03]

^See, I don't necessarily think we are a contender yet. If Bogut returns to his pre-ankle injury form, maybe. But the likelihood of that isn't all that high. I mean if you think we are contender in the sense of a perennial playoff team, then yes. But are we a legit threat at winning the Finals, let alone making the Finals? I think everything would have to break right for us to make the FInals. I'd give it a 5% chance. Personally, I think Lee holds us back because of his defense, lack of impact rebounding, and contract. I love his offensive game, but the other parts of his game and his defense hold this team back from becoming a legitimate Finals contender.

[Suka Bongcic]

Hey we have a thread going on the MKE board about acquiring a SF, and stopped in to see if this deal would work for Barnes. First off I know you guys aren't selling for pennies on the dollar, and I also realize that you don't need cap savings as much as you did last week. Also, please don't counter for Henson or Sanders as its been clear that our management is choosing to build around them.

So;

GSW OUT: David Lee, Barnes
GSW IN: Ersan, Udoh, 14 top 10 protected pick

GSW saves money, and gets a stretch 4 on a much better deal than Lee. Also gets what would likely be a middle first round pick in a great draft. You guys know what Udoh brings, and if you want additional savings you could always choose not to extend the QO next year with him.

Thoughts?

I think this is crazy talk. We're a legit title contender right now.....and we want to trade 2 of our best players for 2 guys that aren't very good just to get a protected 1st rd pick? That's just about the worst trade ever IMO.