No matter what, we have to play Horford at 4 / Millsap at 3.

[ATL Boy]

Every board has that one poster that can't be taken seriously.

here's to tcorbin

we will see if you are right when you said that , that line up for the Hawks will be the 4th best in the east

we will see in the beginning of the season if their is a winning streak or losing streak

Yea and the Pistons being top 5 in the east while the Hawks have a top 5 pick really has a better chance of coming to fruition

btw I said the Hawks would be top 5 in the east if we signed Ellis because IMO Ellis and Teague would really fit well in the backcourt. If we don't sign Ellis and match Teague we'll be in the same 6-7 spot as last year.

[td00]

It is confusing to see where DF is headed here whether its tanking or trying to contend for the division. IMO, if you don't contend for the division title, you are not a contender. Therefore, the need to grow your own elite talent is being presented. For the coaching staff we assembled, we are definitely in dev mode and we are one step above the NBDL level right now.

When potentially 5-6 guys on the SL roster could be on your roster, that will tell you where we are as a team right now. All these coaches have been brought in to give CMB time to implement the system with a roster of young guys. Are we as young at Utah? Not yet.

I'm surprised we don't have 1 SA player off last year's roster being brought in to assist in the progression of this system....not even Patty Mills.

[parson]

^ Agreed. On the one hand, we sign Millsap, making us a decent team. Matter-of-fact, if we can sign a good PG (or keep Teague), we're a playoff team. On the other hand, we're fatally flawed. Worse, we're not developing our top prospects (Horford!) If we do go with Horford / Millsap / Korver / Jenkins / Ellis (I guess), we'll only be developing one player the way we should - Jenkins. And, while I really like him, he's not our top prospect (he's probably #4, behind Horford, Schroeder and Nogueira).

Hard to see Ferry's priorities.
> If he's tanking, why did he sign Millsap and why is he trying for Ellis at PG? Why didn't he throw $16 million of the $19 million we have left at Bynum? Then, when Bynum's knees did what we know they will, Ferry could shrug and watch the team flounder.
> If he's rebuilding, why are we talking about keeping our best chance for a real star at Center, when everyone knows he's out of position there?

[parson]

i'm glad you are not GM, because apparently you have no idea how to do a San Antonio style of tank. what you just said, makes no sense in tanking the same you that you get the draft pick you want

If I understood what you just posted, I'm sure I'd have a withering response.

However, if you think San Antonio tanked, I'm not sure you have any "idea how to do a San Antonio style of tank," either. Are you saying we need to have a Hall of Fame Center (David Robinson) get injured so we'll lose and draft Tim Duncan?

you are also forgetting Sean Elliott. Spurs allowed Robinson to rest alot longer than doctors recommended, and they way under played Sean Elliott. two all stars that came back full force the next season. and we all know that the Spurs even to this day, loves to rest star players, that is what they do.

remember, Robinson did not have a heal injury or spinal injury, it was just a broken foot. it only takes about 2 to 3 months, not a year, which is how long Robinson sat out.

they also gave short term contract to Nique who was way past his prime and just filling out a roster spot. even Nique will tell you that the Spurs at that time were not concern about winning.

I had to look this up but Robinson injured his back (spinal injury!!) in the preseason and only played 6 games before breaking his foot - IN DECEMBER! A broken foot "only takes about 2 to 3 months," you say? Can you count January . . . February . . . March? Gotta hand it to you: when you're wrong, you flame out spectacularly.

And Elliot had a renal disease that required a transplant. He played in pain. He never "came back full force" again.

[Jamaaliver]

The problem with tanking is that it does not guarantee elite status. Especially with young FAs abandoning their teams so frequently.

WAS drafted Wall, what do they have to show for it?
CLE drafted Kyrie, what do they have to show for it?

If we are tanking, we might not grace the playoffs for the rest of Ferry's contract.

Duncan was rare, as he was a polished, finished product coming out of college. Drafting teenagers (like Wall & Kyrie) means years of waiting for them to learn how to play.

[tomaHAWKslam]

we will see if you are right when you said that , that line up for the Hawks will be the 4th best in the east

we will see in the beginning of the season if their is a winning streak or losing streak

I for one don't see us as 4th best in the east. but, 8th or 9th. not good enough to contend, but not bad enough to be tanking. Smack dab in the middle of mediocrity.

[PandaKidd]

It has already been reported that

Sources: Hawks Likely To 'Tank' If Howard Doesn't Sign
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228586/Sources-Hawks-Likely-To-Tank-If-Howard-Doesnt-Sign

as a guy who is for tanking, i love all the moves Ferry has done so far. weather you are delusional and in denial and think Millsap will make the Hawks into an elite team in the east, i just feel sorry for you

it is up to you if you want to be delusional . or it is up to you if you want to be dumb and still think the world is flat

That is like the worst article I have ever read. We addressed it when you originally posted it as well.

I think you see what you want to see. If we were tanking, we would be making moves like Utah, or the 76ers. We havent tried to trade Horford, we have gone out an gotten a good stand up PF, Resigned Korver (why not let him walk and play a rookie in his place?)

Ferry is just fielding the best team he cant, he cant force people to sign here.

I think the process is blatantly clear, go after players we WANT, if we strike out, settle for someone else on a decent contract we can develop or trade later. Rebuilds take time. We didnt have to sign Millsap.

IF ferry was tanking, he would be trading away every asset we have for DRAFT PICKS.

I still bet we are a playoff team with this squad. We have 2-4 potential all stars. Just not a ton of depth

[parson]

I still bet we are a playoff team with this squad. We have 2-4 potential all stars. Just not a ton of depth

I think this year's team compares favorably to last year's version. Only at PG are we still unsettled.

Don't forget, there may be more teams tanking this year; we may not be bad enough to succeed at tanking.

[parson]

I don't know if anyone else heard the Budenholzer interview during the Hawks/Clippers Summer League game but, when asked didn't he want to move Horford to his real position, he essentially said that they wanted to but needed to get a Center to allow it to happen. He also spent time talking about how effective Horford's mobility is at the 5 (sugarcoating), if we can't get a Center.

He made it pretty clear that he's trying to win, so it looks to me that we're playing Horford at the 5, barring some miraculous acquisition of a true Center.

[Jamaaliver]

he essentially said that they wanted to but needed to get a Center to allow it to happen. He also spent time talking about how effective Horford's mobility is at the 5 (sugarcoating), if we can't get a Center.

He made it pretty clear that he's trying to win, so it looks to me that we're playing Horford at the 5, barring some miraculous acquisition of a true Center.

Yikes. And with an undersized PF next to him and no real Center backing him up,our frontline will be regularly dominated yet again...

[parson]

My only consolation was that Budenholzer didn't sound happy, either. Instead, he just seemed resigned to that conclusion.

[tcorbin]

It has already been reported that

Sources: Hawks Likely To 'Tank' If Howard Doesn't Sign
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228586/Sources-Hawks-Likely-To-Tank-If-Howard-Doesnt-Sign

as a guy who is for tanking, i love all the moves Ferry has done so far. weather you are delusional and in denial and think Millsap will make the Hawks into an elite team in the east, i just feel sorry for you

it is up to you if you want to be delusional . or it is up to you if you want to be dumb and still think the world is flat

That is like the worst article I have ever read. We addressed it when you originally posted it as well.

I think you see what you want to see. If we were tanking, we would be making moves like Utah, or the 76ers. We havent tried to trade Horford, we have gone out an gotten a good stand up PF, Resigned Korver( why not let him walk and play a rookie in his place?)
Ferry is just fielding the best team he cant, he cant force people to sign here.

I think the process is blatantly clear, go after players we WANT, if we strike out, settle for someone else on a decent contract we can develop or trade later. Rebuilds take time. We didnt have to sign Millsap.

IF ferry was tanking, he would be trading away every asset we have for DRAFT PICKS.

I still bet we are a playoff team with this squad. We have 2-4 potential all stars. Just not a ton of depth

This just wouldn't work, and that is why it makes it so dumb. the NBA has rules that you have to spend a minimum of $55 million each year on a roster, you can't just get 10 rookies and pay them $1 million each because you won't hit the minimum salary limit, and you can't over pay a rookie or young player , because you won't be able to move them later on.

that is why the smart thing, or only thing to do is to find a guy who would be the worst player you could partner up with Horford and give him $10 million. and what worst teammate can you get for your undersized center, than an undersize, poor defensive PF with no post up game.

and then ontop of that you try to get one of the worst shooting, SGs or the worst shooting PG in the game, who are bad on defense, on a short term 2 year deal.

Ferry is tanking by trying to construct a very poorly designed team. you don't have to trade everybody to tank, Spur didn't trade Robinson, Elliot, and Avery, they just tanked by filling the empty spots with poor defensive players.

but if you want to still believe that Santa Claus exist, and you like the way this team is constructed to win, then it is going to be a long difficult year for you

[PandaKidd]

Ferry could have gone the Boston route gotten expiring deals like last year to put him over the 90% THIS year, and fielded MORE draft picks, and much less talent.

I dont think this team is a top 5 team at ALL, but its not bottom 7 either.

you realize we traded the loss of Smith for Millsap, resigned Korver, have Lou Will coming back, horford returns. The only real DOWNGRADE will be if we let Teague walk and have NO answer at PG.

In almost every way, we are as good as we were last year IMO.

[parson]

I noticed this a while back, but the Trade Board has a deal of Millsap for Asik. As it's progressed, HOU fans have chimed in, calling it a good deal. Is is possible that Ferry signed Millsap for the purpose of trading him to HOU for Asik after Dec. 15?

I know it's far-fetched but Ferry (reportedly) took so long on the Smith for Asik ideas earlier that I wonder. Of course, it's probably just wishful thinking.

Link: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1263575

[Jamaaliver]

I noticed this a while back, but the Trade Board has a deal of Millsap for Asik. As it's progressed, HOU fans have chimed in, calling it a good deal. Is is possible that Ferry signed Millsap for the purpose of trading him to HOU for Asik after Dec. 15?

I know it's far-fetched but Ferry (reportedly) took so long on the Smith for Asik ideas earlier that I wonder. Of course, it's probably just wishful thinking.

Link: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1263575

That would be f#*@ing brilliant. THAT would be masterful.
Sme of the best asset management I've seen on any level.
Talk about a long con.

If Ferry pulled that off, well that would be really REALLY impressive.

[parson]

^ Which is why I'm sure it's wishful thinking on my part. Still, when the alternative is to ponder the probability of having no Center until Nogueira matures ...

But, yeah, think about it: you can't get Asik so you sign the best FA for HOU's needs (even though he really doesn't really fit our needs, since we already have Horford). Then, you sign said FA for about the same amount as Asik makes to make a straight swap possible.