Where does JSmoove rank among today's PFs?

knicks26 · Post #1 » by **knicks26** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:33 am

I think JSmoove is a top-5 PF..... Drummond...Monroe...JSmoove... We will be a seriously contender in the following seasons... Brandon Knight will be an all-star SG... Don't trade him....

Maker_84 · Post #2 » by **Maker_84** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:34 am

N/A because he's gonna be playing SF for the Pistons

knicks26 · Post #3 » by **knicks26** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:37 am

Maker_84 wrote:N/A because he's gonna be playing SF for the Pistons

That's cool.... There are few players better than JSmoove on the SF spot.... Lebron... Durant... Melo... Who else?

princeofpalace · Post #4 » by **princeofpalace** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:39 am

As a SF- Id take Lebron, Durant, Melo, P. George and Pierce over Smith and thats about it. The position is fairly weak right now.

knicks26 · Post #5 » by **knicks26** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:41 am

princeofpalace wrote:As a SF- Id take Lebron, Durant, Melo, P. George and Pierce over Smith and thats about it. The position is fairly weak right now.

PGeorge is still raw.... And Paul Pierce is a fossil..... No way they are better than JSmoove....

Maker_84 · Post #6 » by **Maker_84** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:45 am

knicks26 wrote:
Maker_84 wrote:N/A because he's gonna be playing SF for the Pistons

That's cool.... There are few players better than JSmoove on the SF spot.... Lebron... Durant... Melo... Who else?

Rudy Gay, Paul George and Kawhii Leonard are all better. I would have preferred having Rudy Gay in Detroit because he's more of a playmaker and better shooter offensively but the Raptors are dumb F's and wanted too much

knicks26 · Post #7 » by **knicks26** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:48 am

Maker_84 wrote:
knicks26 wrote:
Maker_84 wrote:N/A because he's gonna be playing SF for the Pistons

That's cool.... There are few players better than JSmoove on the SF spot.... Lebron... Durant... Melo... Who else?

Rudy Gay, Paul George and Kawhii Leonard are all better. I would have preferred having Rudy Gay in Detroit because he's more of a playmaker and better shooter offensively but the Raptors are dumb F's and wanted too much

Rudy Gay is a chucker..... Paul and Kawhii are too raw..... Seriously Kawhii is not even an all-star.... No comparison....

Maker_84 · Post #8 » by **Maker_84** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:54 am

knicks26 wrote:
Maker_84 wrote:
knicks26 wrote:
That's cool.... There are few players better than JSmoove on the SF spot.... Lebron... Durant... Melo... Who else?

Rudy Gay, Paul George and Kawhii Leonard are all better. I would have preferred having Rudy Gay in Detroit because he's more of a playmaker and better shooter offensively but the Raptors are dumb F's and wanted too much

Rudy Gay is a chucker..... Paul and Kawhii are too raw..... Seriously Kawhii is not even an all-star.... No comparison....

Kawhii was arguably SAs best player in the finals and scored alot on Lebron while playing some very good defense on him as well

knicks26 · Post #9 » by **knicks26** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:56 am

Maker_84 wrote:
knicks26 wrote:
Maker_84 wrote:
Rudy Gay, Paul George and Kawhii Leonard are all better. I would have preferred having Rudy Gay in Detroit because he's more of a playmaker and better shooter offensively but the Raptors are dumb F's and wanted too much

Rudy Gay is a chucker..... Paul and Kawhii are too raw..... Seriously Kawhii is not even an all-star.... No comparison....

Kawhii was arguably SAs best player in the finals and scored alot on Lebron while playing some very good defense on him as well

Replacing Kawhii with JSmoove on that Spurs team.... They would have 1 more championship now.... You know what I mean.....

Q00 · Post #10 » by **Q00** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:13 am

LeBron, Melo, and Durant are the only small forwards in the league that you can say are clearly better than Smith.

Natopher · Post #11 » by **Natopher** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:14 am

I'd actually argue for Paul George at SF over Smith. They're both great defensively, they both average about the same rebounds, Smith gets more blocks but George is the better shooter.

Hotmayo · Post #12 » by **Hotmayo** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:14 am

lebron, Durant, melo, smith, leonard. Top 5 small forwards

Paul george shot 38% when smith guarded him these playoffs. So...

Minas · Post #13 » by **Minas** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:43 am

This is how I'd rank the SFs:

Lebron
Durant
Melo
George
Pierce
Smith
Gay
Kawhi

Alexander · Post #14 » by **Alexander** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:59 am

According to PER, Lebron, Durant, Carmelo, Pierce, Faried, Ilyasova (LOL), Thaddeus Young, and Marion are better at SF.

That same value of 17.82 ties Josh Smith at 15th at PF with Ed Davis. http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... osition/pf

(yes I know PER is far from a perfect metric, don't even)

StickAndMove · Post #15 » by **StickAndMove** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:26 pm

LeBron
Durant
Melo
Blake Griffin
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Ibaka
David Lee
David West
Chris Bosh
Zach Randolph
LaMarcus Aldridge
Moose
Al Jefferson
Pau Gasol

Not in any particular order, but all these guys can play PF better than Josh Smith. So I guess that makes him 17th.

Post #16 » by **theBigLip** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:41 pm

The SF discussion is pretty awesome - if Smith can hang there, he really does give us an advantage on most teams.

As for where he fits with PFs, the last post puts a few SFs into the mix (Melo a PF?) But Garnett, West, Bosh, Jefferson? I don't think so. And when you figure in age, Nowitzki, Gasol, and even Duncan are probably not as good of deals.

I think Pistons did well getting Smith. Can't wait for the games to start to see if we're right.

StickAndMove · Post #17 » by **StickAndMove** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:11 pm

theBigLip wrote:The SF discussion is pretty awesome - if Smith can hang there, he really does give us an advantage on most teams.

As for where he fits with PFs, the last post puts a few SFs into the mix (Melo a PF?) But Garnett, West, Bosh, Jefferson? I don't think so. And when you figure in age, Nowitzki, Gasol, and even Duncan are probably not as good of deals.

I think Pistons did well getting Smith. Can't wait for the games to start to see if we're right.

I wasn't arguing their value or how "good of a deal" they are. I was ranking them by how good I think they are right now. I also considered any NBA player that can play power forward, and I was only factoring their ability to play the power forward position.

I am not a Josh Smith fan so it's possible my personal bias affected the list. But I'm usually pretty good at keeping emotion out of it. I think the older players you listed are absolutely better when they aren't fatigued. You could definitely make the argument that Josh Smith's athleticism and ability to play extended minutes makes him better than some of these guys. The main issues I have with Josh Smith are his shooting ability, inconsistency, lack of overall improvement, and simple ineffectiveness on offense. He shot under 40% from everywhere on the court last year other than at the rim. According to Basketball-Reference's breakdown, that means under 40% from 3-10 ft, under 40% from 10-16 ft, under 40% from 16 ft to 3, and under 40 from 3. He also shot 52% from the FT line.

Post #18 » by **theBigLip** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:27 am

StickAndMove wrote:
theBigLip wrote:The SF discussion is pretty awesome - if Smith can hang there, he really does give us an advantage on most teams.

As for where he fits with PFs, the last post puts a few SFs into the mix (Melo a PF?) But Garnett, West, Bosh, Jefferson? I don't think so. And when you figure in age, Nowitzki, Gasol, and even Duncan are probably not as good of deals.

I think Pistons did well getting Smith. Can't wait for the games to start to see if we're right.

I wasn't arguing their value or how "good of a deal" they are. I was ranking them by how good I think they are right now. I also considered any NBA player that can play power forward, and I was only factoring their ability to play the power forward position.

I am not a Josh Smith fan so it's possible my personal bias affected the list. But I'm usually pretty good at keeping emotion out of it. I think the older players you listed are absolutely better when they aren't fatigued. You could definitely make the argument that Josh Smith's athleticism and ability to play extended minutes makes him better than some of these guys. The main issues I have with Josh Smith are his shooting ability, inconsistency, lack of overall improvement, and simple ineffectiveness on offense. He shot under 40% from everywhere on the court last year other than at the rim. According to Basketball-Reference's breakdown, that means under 40% from 3-10 ft, under 40% from 10-16 ft, under 40% from 16 ft to 3, and under 40 from 3. He also shot 52% from the FT line.

If you are ranking where they are right now, then I'm certainly in agreement. But having JSmoove on a 4 year deal in his prime is a good thing - Duncan and Nowitski may not even be playing in 4 years.

As for shot selection and shooting percentage, it is going to be really interesting - different team, different system, different coach - hoping that he gets smarter with his shots and that those percentages go up. I'm so ready to start the season and see how this is going to play out - haven't been this excited since the debut of CV and BG. We all need a do-over badly :-)

Clarity · Post #19 » by **Clarity** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:54 am

Hes a SF now according to his contract.

MrBigShot · Post #20 » by **MrBigShot** » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:10 am

At SF, I'd only take LBJ/Durant/Melo/George over him. If it's only for a season, Pierce as well...but he's getting old. Kawhi is not at Smith's level quite yet.