Can we stop with the Rondo talk?

[Ballboar]

Rondo is a very poor Free Throw (62% )& 3pt (24%) shooter!

[ajaX82]

Like thebiglip said, I'm also weighing whether to lock down all these Rondo threads, as they seem to be nothing but a chance to argue and troll the opposing fanbase. If productive conversation can be had, they can stay open, but I'm a bit doubtful.

And it seems like common sense, but if you do go to the Celtics board, please do be civil. You represent the board when you go over. And keep in mind that things you say on the Detroit board may or may not fly in Celtic land. Be smart fellas

[Maker_84]

So knight is a better defender? more athletic? a better fit bc rondo can't shoot? What?

Did You know that being a pure point guard wins everytime over offensive point guards?

Rondo destroyed heat this year. Celtics won by 19 and rondo barely scored. They won bc he got everyone involved, controlled the tempo, and got under their skin. Him and tony Parker are the best pg's in the game.

Why is this even argued?

Considering the fact that the Celtics aren't the Pistons and setting up All Star players like Garnett, Pierce, Green, Allen for years and you can afford to have a pg focus solely on just being a passer but the Pistons don't have that kind of offensive firepower or i'd be more open to it but our PG has to be a more shoot first pg because there just aren't many shooters/scorers on this team

The Boston celtics could barely get 75 points in the playoffs. He gets everyone involved. And they didn't have ray Allen last year.

You have no idea what your talking

Rondo would get players to score on this team

Bc that's what true point guard can do

Have you ever watched rondo?

So what you're indirectly telling me is that you agree with me and with the loss of some talent the Celtics ppg as a team went down and so did his assist #'s too i assume. PGs can only do so much but setting up people to shoot jumpers who cant shoot isn't doing much good, I'd rather have a PG who can shoot and score more because that's what the Pistons need and that's why i think Steph Curry when healthy is the best PG in the league. PGs have to be able to stretch the floor to be truly effective and give other players on their team necessary space to succeed.

[Defor]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Rondo play this season without his 3 hall of fame teamates. Maybe that will settle once and for all wether he's overated or not. As for me I think he's a bad fit for the team and I don't like his attitude.

[Maker_84]

I'm really looking forward to seeing Rondo play this season without his 3 hall of fame teamates. Maybe that will settle once and for all wether he's overated or not. As for me I think he's a bad fit for the team and I don't like his attitude.

definitely agree

[Cowology]

Rondo has played some of his best ball and been at his most dominant when his HOF teammates have been out of the lineup and he's been forced to carry more of the load. And as they've gotten older, played fewer minutes and produced less he's taken on more.

Having good teammates definitely helps, but mostly it just seems like a petty way to discredit a player that some people don't like. Whether he's actually healthy will have a far larger affect on his production than the crap roster around him.

[Laimbeer]

Pistons won't give Drummond for him and the Celtics won't take Knight + garbage.

The final answer on this is Monroe + Knight and other sweeteners, like taking back bad contracts for expirings or giving up a 1, or both. Both fan bases are divided on such a deal, which means it's probably realistic.

If the contract swap is Stuckey or Charlie V. for Wallace, I'm tempted.

[robbie84]

As a Celtics fan I made that Drummond for Rondo topic/question the other day and you all replied with an astounding no. I think it was a shock at first to Celtics fans because we would have thought there was more chance of getting Drummond than Monroe, but that's obviously not the case and it seems that most Detroit fans (the ones that want Rondo) would perhaps be willing to give up Monroe for Rondo?(or at least not hang up the phone in most cases). I think you'd find way more C's fans that would be willing to discuss a Rondo for Monroe trade because he's a proven commodity like Rondo and most C's fans wouldn't get to see Drummond and his 20 mins a game- Detroit isn't on national TV too much and he's a rookie. Nothing more nothing less.

On a side note (just to clear up the air) I'll be pretty assuming here and say that most (75%) of Celtics fans wouldn't want to trade Rondo for Drummond-I'd say the opposition on our end wouldn't be as strong as Detroit's refusal to even talk about it- (I think most C's fans are crazy considering Rondo's injury, our inevitable rebuilding ahead and most importantly Drummonds game changing potential) which is understandable...so we all take opposing fanbases opinions with a pinch of homerism.
Anyway lets not get into an argument about Rondo/Drummond because it's not going anywhere- I'm just pointing out each sides homerism whether it's justified or not. My main question after ruling Drummond out of any move is..

Of the Pistons fans want Rondo, would most of you be willing to give up something like

Monroe+Charlie V+Jerebko

for

Rondo+Humphries+2018 first round pick?

I mean I'm one of the C's fans that wants to tank and go hard at the 2014 draft, but don't also want to lose an All Star PG for Brandon Knight- that's insulting to Celtics fans as much as some Detroit fans find the thought of trading Drummond. I mean just as most Celtics fans haven't watched Drummond enough to appreciate his potential and his rapid progression, I'm sure many Pistons fans aren't giving Rondo enough credit for how good he is at pretty much every aspect of the game except threes and free throws. I saw a few people saying he can't shoot but he's top 10 in mid range jumpshots and kills Brandon Knight from mid range. He has improved his jump shooting tremendously. (Im not baiting I'm just pointing out he's not as bad a shooter as his critics like to use stats from 2010 and earlier.)

I mean in this Rondo for Monroe scenario the Pistons are keeping Drummond and are gaining what is most probably the single best player on the planet to be assured Drummond will get the best looks, lobs and open dunks- not to mention in transition with Josh Smith. On top of that is his championship experience and his winners attitude. He has a reputation as a trouble maker but he just wants to win and it's contagious which would be great for Drummond and Smith. It just seems like Drummonds offensive game revolves around catches and dunks and Rondo is perfect for that- He made Kendrick Perkins and a 36 year old Shaq look amazing.
Anyway that's my Celtics point of view/sales pitch as to why Rondo is a good fit for Detroit.
For pro-tank supporters like me, it's about moving Rondo to stop us winning but also getting good return on the dollar. Maybe I'm being greedy considering Rondo's knees or maybe (like Drummond), Detroit fans think they'll be okay without Rondo and scoff at the idea. I just think if Drummond is off the table the only way you'd get Rondo is with Monroe.
Obviously a HUGE consideration to Detroit fans is Rondo's injury and if he'll come back to an All Star level, but I'd base such a move being done before the deadline where Rondo's proven he's on the come back and the knee hasn't robbed him of his athleticism (it was a very small tear to his ACL so fingers crossed).

Rondo+Humphries+2018 first rounder for Monroe, Charlie V and Jerebko?
Any chance in hell?

[SAKURABA216]

If Joe can somehow land Rondo w/out giving up our front court that would be amazing.

[Cowology]

I think that objectively Monroe/Knight for Rondo is about as fair as it gets in terms of value. But then you have to overcome peoples other objections such as "poor attitude", "overrated due to HoF talent", "coming off injury" & "poor fit". Still gonna be an uphill battle on the Pistons forum.

I'm probably in the minority in being a bigtime Rondo fan and actually having interest, but I consider the injury & fit aspect to both be pretty substantial concerns and wouldn't do anything until seeing him play. If he looks good, then I'd definitely think about it, but would probably want Green as well for the Rondo/KCP/Smith/Green/Drummond lineup. Spacing would still be a bit of an issue, but defensively we'd be pretty damn beastly and having a couple shooters off the bench and a change of pace backup like Chauncey would go a long way.

But most Piston fans think I'm nuts for even considering a Rondo/Smith/Drummond lineup.

[Piston Pete]

I only want Rondo if a shooter like Green and/or Lee come with him. Rondo's a good PG, but he needs to to surrounded by shooters just like Drummond....

[SouthJersey]

You guys do realize Rondo has like almost 30 career triple doubles?

[Q00]

It’s believed that there are already players out there personally courting Rondo, telling him that now – while he has two years remaining on his contract – is the best time to force a trade to a team of his liking.

(from the freep)


I bet Smith is one of those players courting him to come here.

[zeebneeb]

You guys do realize Rondo has like almost 30 career triple doubles?

You do realize that Rondo has one of the worst injuries a player like him can have, and most never come back from fully, right? You do realize that if we give up one of our bigmen for Rondo, that it will mean having even less passing options for a PG that cant really shoot the ball, right? You do realize that Ainge wants the moon for Rondo, who is injured, the Celtics are terrible, that he is their only real asset, so waiting until he proves that hes healthy and can function without 3 great players around him is prudent right?

You do realize, right?

[SouthJersey]

You guys do realize Rondo has like almost 30 career triple doubles?

You do realize that Rondo has one of the worst injuries a player like him can have, and most never come back from fully, right? You do realize that if we give up one of our bigmen for Rondo, that it will mean having even less passing options for a PG that cant really shoot the ball, right? You do realize that Ainge wants the moon for Rondo, who is injured, the Celtics are terrible, that he is their only real asset, so waiting until he proves that hes healthy and can function without 3 great players around him is prudent right?

You do realize, right?

Thank you, you are very intelligent. I will follow all your posts from now on

[SwaggWagg]

He's an undersized PG that cant shoot and wouldn't help this team, more like hurt the team because there would be NO scorers. Knight is bigger, more athletic, better defender, and shoots better. I'd much rather have him