Cap Room and new contracts/offers discussion thread

[D21]

Don't forget it's the team payroll that needs to be at 90% of the salary cap, so what's really paid to the players.
For example, HOU has less payroll than their salaries (Lin and Asik are paid 5M this season while counting for 8.3M)
So it shouldn't be necessary to be at 90% of the cap when season begins.

[D21]

Update : Elton Brand and Korver decreasing contract

Korver contract is decreasing, so the value are :
$6 760 563,38 $6 253 521,13 $5 746 478,87 $5 239 436,62

It changes our room left, more than the Milsap and Teague contracts being flat instead of increasing :

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,980,360 - 2 "incomplete roster charge" : 2 x 490,180 (without counting Carroll)

Total : 51,700,623
Max cap room left for one player : $6.98M


2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (2 roster charge without him, or 1 if signed)

[D21]

Update : Added Antic contract

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,490,180 - 1 "incomplete roster charge" (without counting Carroll)

Total : 52,510,343
Max cap room left for one player : $6.17M


2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (2 roster charge without him, or 1 if signed)


!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more. It would give :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,980,360 - 2 "incomplete roster charge" : 2 x 490,180 (without counting Carroll)

Total : 51,581,323
Max cap room left for one player : $7.10M (or 7.6M on two players since we would delete one roster charge after signing the first player)

[D21]

Update with Ayon contract to see what's left and what we can offer to Oden : more than 5M on first year

Update : Added Ayon contract

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 53,520,163
Max cap room left for one player : $5.15M


2,500,0000 - 2,444,988 if increasing contract - DeMarre Carroll (minimum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% increasing contract)

Carroll can be signed with $2.652M Room Exception once we are at the cap after signing other players, so to estimate the max room we have, we can delete his value (2 roster charge without him, or 1 if signed)


!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more. It would give :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13
00,490,180 - 1 "incomplete roster charge"

Total : 52,591,143
Max cap room left for one player : $6.08M

[D21]

Aug. 3rd Update : End of Oden chase - signing of Carroll

Ferry has certainly estimated that there is no longer a player he would offer more up to 5M, so no need to wait and keep the maximum of room possible, and decided to sign Carroll now.
It should show that we were ready to offer more than 2.5M to Oden, because if it was to offer him less than that, then Carroll could be signed before Oden's decision

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
02,557,545 - DeMarre Carroll (maximum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% decreasing contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,419,200 - 16th pick (1,703,040 if signed for 120%)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 56,077,708
Max cap room left for one player : $2.6M

!!! If we have a letter to say that Nogueira will play in Europe, we can delete his value and replace it with roster charge, and we get almost 1M more.

[D21]

Aug. 12th Update : Nogueira cap hold deleted

Since Nogueira will play in Spain, his cap hold can be deleted, and replace by a roster charge if there are less than 12 players or cap holds.
Having 12 players without him (with Carroll being signed), no need to add a roster charge, so we can add 1.4M of room

Estimated minimum values to get maximum of cap room :

12,000,000 - Al Horford
09,500,000 - Paul Milsap (flat contract of $19M/2yrs)
08,000,000 - Jeff Teague (flat contract of $32M/4yrs)
06,760,563 - Kyle Korver (maximum for a first year of a $24M/4yrs 7.5% decreasing contract)
05,225,000 - Louis Williams
04,000,000 - Elton Brand (one year $4M contract)
02,557,545 - DeMarre Carroll (maximum for a first year of a $5M/2yrs 4.5% decreasing contract)
01,500,000 - Gustavo Ayon
01,348,200 - Dennis Schröder (signed 17th pick)
01,258,800 - John Jenkins
01,208,400 - Jared Cunningham
01,200,000 - Pero Antic
00,100,000 - 2013-14 guaranteed part for Jeremy Tyler waived in 2012-13

Total : 54,658,508
Max cap room left for one player : $4M

[jagstang76]

So we only have 12 on the roster now, does that mean we still have a few moves to make? I know we don't necessarily have to, but it seems to me we can still save a few bucks and add a few minimum contracts. Where do we still need some help?

[D21]

So we only have 12 on the roster now...

It's 12 players, but 12 players with guaranteed contracts or cap holds that are sure to count against the cap.
We also have Scott and Mack, so a total of 14 players, but as they are not guaranteed, we can still cut them and get more room.

We only had 1M of room, now 2.4 since Nogueira can be deleted (has a contract in Spain), and if we cut Scott and Mack, it pushes it up to 4M.

[jagstang76]

I can see us keeping Scott around but not Mack. I guess it just depends on who else might be out there who might be a better fit. Scott reminds me a lot of Millsap though, and I'd love to have him learn from Paul!

[Jamaaliver]

I can see us keeping Scott around but not Mack. I guess it just depends on who else might be out there who might be a better fit. Scott reminds me a lot of Millsap though, and I'd love to have him learn from Paul!

Yes.
Yes!
YES!

Scott and Milsap have so much in common. PM would be a great mentor for him.

I don't want Mack around, but I am in favor of signing a veteran ball handler should Teague get injured, suspended, etc.

T-Mac, Diaw. Someone with size who could man the PG & SG position in a pinch.

(Lou Will should be brought back slowly.)

[D21]

T-Mac, Diaw. Someone with size who could man the PG & SG position in a pinch

T-Mac is free, but Diaw is under contract with SAS, and is more Point Forward, Power Forward and Center, while T-Mac can play more from Point Guard to Small Forward.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm trying to keep it simple and up to date in the sticked Hawks Salaries Information thread.

D21, you genius you.

What would the team's cap situation look like next year if we acquire Asik for minimal talent. For instance, if we manage to keep Millsap and Horford while picking up Omer for say Carroll and Elton Brand (the most recent rumor) would we have any flexibility next year for moves? Would we be able to afford a raise for Horford in the near future?

[D21]

I'm trying to keep it simple and up to date in the sticked Hawks Salaries Information thread.

D21, you genius you.

What would the team's cap situation look like next year if we acquire Asik for minimal talent. For instance, if we manage to keep Millsap and Horford while picking up Omer for say Carroll and Elton Brand (the most recent rumor) would we have any flexibility next year for moves? Would we be able to afford a raise for Horford in the near future?

Haha, no genius please

We are supposed to be around 49M with 10 players and two roster charges.
The 2014-15 salary cap is estimated at 62M, so we could have up to 13M of cap room to spend before being at the cap, and use the room MLE.
If we had Asik, he will count for 8.37M this year, and next year, even if he's supposed to receive 15M next year in real money. Next year is also the last of his contract, so he would be free agent in 2015, in the same summer than Millsap, Williams and Carroll (Horford in 2016, Teague and Korver in 2017).

If we trade Carroll and Brand for Asik, it adds a bit less than 6M for next season (Brand is F.A. so only Carroll is deleted on the estimated 49M. So in 2014 summer, we would be around 55M, with 7M of cap room.

In 2015, he would be F.A. like Carroll would be, so it doesn't change anything on 2015 cap room (Horford, Teague, Korver, Schröder, Jenkins and Nogueira for 32M and certainly around 20M of cap room).

So no risk at all to make this trade, and certainly a decent cost to be able to test Horford at PF with a good C.

[Jamaaliver]

So no risk at all to make this trade, and certainly a decent cost to be able to test Horford at PF with a good C.

Much obliged...and agreed.