The Tank Debate Thread

[barrist]

The delusions on the Raptor board reach all time high's during the dead months of summer.

I actually just laughed out loud at the suggestion the Clippers tanked successfully. Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking. I don't know how you can call yourselves real fans when you want a promising young team to get blown up and lose games intentionally with the intent of lucking into players that are marginally better at best, and will take years to become better. I guess all logic is thrown out the window when you've missed the playoffs as often as we have.

By this logic 25 out of 30 teams should be tanking every year. It's laughable. Go back to your Playstation's kids.

uh oh, here comes the "you're not real fans" card.

right, it's delusional to think this isn't as promising a team some think it is, but of course undeniably sane to think that a 34 win team can suddenly thrust itself to contender-dom with the addition of Novak, Pyscho-T and Dwight Buycks... Oh yeah i forgot to add the totally non-delusional prediction of this thread that EVERY player on the team will have a career year. lol.

[StMikes31]

Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking.

I gave you a list. You chose to disregard (not disprove) it because it didn't fit your agenda.

Don't waste your time with ignorance.

We both gave him a list of teams (all contenders) and he still doesn't want to acknowledge it.

[TheRealBlizzy]

Is it possible that Chris Bosh goes back to 25/11 .. LeBron avg's 38ppg and wade 30ppg, with james jones hitting the 3 at a 52% clip along with mike miller / rashard lewis dropping 18 off the bench... oh also they sign Oden and he averages 10/15/5 blocks in 15mpg.

I think so, and anyone who disagree's isn't a real fan of the Miami Heat!!!!!

82-0 3Peat Suckas!!!!!!

[Blast Tyrant]

So we make the worst bench in the league better, and have improvements from our starters (who are already one of the best starting 5's in the league) and you don't expect us to be a playoff team? Some of you guys have no idea. Clearly none what so ever.

[kavan]

I think only missing piece this off season will be the impact Alan Anderson had off the bench for us. I really dont know why he is not back. See: Delfino, Lenard, M.James and a few others that could ball and we could really use the depth. We all know people get hurt. We are a little thinner than we were last year. I think these guys will play better and if they do we can play for 4th-5th. I call it out. You have to understand other teams may also have injuries and fall off it happens.

[hillbilly hare]

From OP to tank/no-tank in just 2 pages.. is this a new record?

My fault, shouldn't have opened a thread taking an optimistic view.

And it still can be optimistic. Why not?

Going into it further, though, if Rudy has a career year that would be great, but I'd prefer to have him finish that career year with another team. Best-case scenario: he starts off hot as hell, hitting 3s at around 40%, playing solid D, then Joe Dumars realizes Josh Smith and Monroe can't play together, Drummond is untouchable so Dumars puts Monroe on the block, he's got a TON riding on Josh Smith so concludes that he has to go all in, and trades Monroe + filler for Rudy and Lowry.

And just to be a good sport about it, I wish him all the best and really do hope Rudy goes on to have a real career year. In Detroit.

[Blast Tyrant]

Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking.

I gave you a list. You chose to disregard (not disprove) it because it didn't fit your agenda.

Don't waste your time with ignorance.

We both gave him a list of teams (all contenders) and he still doesn't want to acknowledge it.

You legitimately have not named one team that is where they are because of tanking other than the Thunder who everyone agrees is an anomaly not the norm. I wish I hated the Raptors as much as you guys do, but the reality is we actually have some damn good players.

[TheRealBlizzy]

So we make the worst bench in the league better, and have improvements from our starters (who are already one of the best starting 5's in the league) and you don't expect us to be a playoff team? Some of you guys have no idea. Clearly none what so ever.

1) IF we kept our core and rode it out all year this year, we have about 50-75% chance of the 8th seed. Yes we expect us to squeeze into the playoffs to get slapped by Miami, you are correct on that!

2) worst bench in the league got better? how? Last year we had Bargnani, Jose Calderon, Ed Davis, Alan Anderson, JL3, Mikael Pietrus, Telfair ... among others coming off the bench for us at one point or another. Those have been replaced with an unknown prospect pg and a washed up corner shooting no defense playing stiff, oh yeah and a hockey player for a pf.

[TheRealBlizzy]

I gave you a list. You chose to disregard (not disprove) it because it didn't fit your agenda.

Don't waste your time with ignorance.

We both gave him a list of teams (all contenders) and he still doesn't want to acknowledge it.

You legitimately have not named one team that is where they are because of tanking other than the Thunder who everyone agrees is an anomaly not the norm. I wish I hated the Raptors as much as you guys do, but the reality is we actually have some damn good players.

Oh we do? That's why Rondo who's a PG who "got carried" by the big 3, coming off an ACL injury where the Celtics are clearly tanking, got a better offer then our "star" Rudy Gay did. Cool.

[SHFT]

TBH, I wasn't really looking at it from a raw PPG perspective only, it'll be different for different players. For Demar/Rudy it'll be efficiency (maybe at the cost of volume), for JV it'll be volume while maintaining efficiency and for Kyle/Amir it might be a combination of both at a much smaller level.

Then there's defensive impact and that's hard to measure but we can look at a DRTG and Opp PER.

.

Ah I see, my bad. I used the PPG as my way of reiterating some peoples success = some peoples failure.

[StMikes31]

So we make the worst bench in the league better, and have improvements from our starters (who are already one of the best starting 5's in the league) and you don't expect us to be a playoff team? Some of you guys have no idea. Clearly none what so ever.

Seriously, are you trolling us?

Buycks, Novak and Hansbrough isn't 'improving' our bench by any means.

Please stop.

[Blast Tyrant]

Are you actually implying that Bargnani, Alan Anderson, Telfair, Lucas, and Peitrus are better than Hansbrough nevermind the improvements that Fields and Ross are going to make. (considering they couldn't possibly play any worse than last year)

Welcome to the idiot, I mean ignore list.

[StMikes31]

I gave you a list. You chose to disregard (not disprove) it because it didn't fit your agenda.

Don't waste your time with ignorance.

We both gave him a list of teams (all contenders) and he still doesn't want to acknowledge it.

You legitimately have not named one team that is where they are because of tanking other than the Thunder who everyone agrees is an anomaly not the norm. I wish I hated the Raptors as much as you guys do, but the reality is we actually have some damn good players.

We gave you a list of 10 teams, all who are contenders.

I don't think you understand the term 'tanking'.

[ansoncarter]

Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking.

nearly every great team in NBA history drafted their best player/s, and almost invariably at the top of the draft

you can count on one hand the number of great teams that didn't owe their success to the draft. And still have fingers left over.

Treadmillers need to stop trying to deny this simple truth and stick to winning-culture and whatnot

[TheRealBlizzy]

Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking.

nearly every great team in NBA history drafted their best player/s, and almost invariably at the top of the draft

you can count on one hand the number of great teams that didn't owe their success to the draft. And still have fingers left over.

Treadmillers need to stop trying to deny this simple truth and stick to winning-culture and whatnot

CLEVELAND DIDNT WIN A CHIP WITH LBJ THO HE GOT IT WITH MIA THEY WASTED 8 YRS WITH HIM!

THOSE MULTIPLE 60 WIN TEAMS AND FINALS APPEARANCES DON'T SHOW UP IN THIS ARTICLE ABOUT TANKING LET ME POST IT 50 TIMES!

[StMikes31]

Are you actually implying that Bargnani, Alan Anderson, Telfair, Lucas, and Peitrus are better than Hansbrough nevermind the improvements that Fields and Ross are going to make. (considering they couldn't possibly play any worse than last year)

Welcome to the idiot, I mean ignore list.

Get off the board you troll.

[Blast Tyrant]

http://thebeatofsports.com/why-tanking-doesnt-work-in-the-nba/

I'm going to let experts explain it to you guys since plain English doesn't seem to work. The reality is if you're winning 25 games or less you still have less than a 10 percent chance of becoming a contender within the next decade. Teams that improve from within and by adding free agents are your teams who win.

[StMikes31]

Still nobody can name a team who's won a championship by tanking.

nearly every great team in NBA history drafted their best player/s, and almost invariably at the top of the draft

you can count on one hand the number of great teams that didn't owe their success to the draft. And still have fingers left over.

Treadmillers need to stop trying to deny this simple truth and stick to winning-culture and whatnot

CLEVELAND DIDNT WIN A CHIP WITH LBJ THO HE GOT IT WITH MIA THEY WASTED 8 YRS WITH HIM!

THOSE MULTIPLE 60 WIN TEAMS AND FINALS APPEARANCES DON'T SHOW UP IN THIS ARTICLE ABOUT TANKING LET ME POST IT 50 TIMES!

How many more times will he post it?

[Morris_Shatford]

I think with Rudy Gay, you get what you get.
Which contract aside is a pretty solid SF but I don't expect his efficiency to increase at this point in his career. He is what he is.

With Amir, its a tough call because now he isn't acting as a safety net for Bargnani but I don't see any huge leaps and bounds I expect him to continue to be efficient and effective.

Lowry is a real wildcard, I have no idea if he has the ability or will to play like he did to start the season last year but which Lowry shows up for game one has nearly as much to do with what the high water mark of this team will be as:

Jonas: We are going to learn very quickly if he has that franchise cornerstone pedigree we all hope does fairly quickly out of the gate. He by far as the biggest factor in terms of the ceiling of this team.

DeRozan: His corner 3 is pretty okay (I believe his only 3PTS close to the mid 30% range), ifs his shot selection beyond the arc that is terrible. If he can just focus on taking his good shot from range rather than from wherever he happens to be that should be enough of an improvement on its own. If his three gets better overall by all means!

[mirrornick]

Thank you reignman for being one of the few posters who believes in our team.I, like you, think that we are much better than projected. In fact I think we are the underdogs. I believe we are a rising team, like the pacers.

Much respect to you reignman