The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

driese0824 · Post #661 » by **driese0824** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:28 am

raferfenix wrote:Is Ridnour still our starter after this trade?

Regardless, if it means no Jennings I'm good with it.

It'd make things a bit more interesting at least. Could try to talk myself into hoping a Knight / Mayo tandem would provide enough playmaking as a backcourt to cover eachother's flaws.

If the bucks do this deal can stuckey play the 3,or will the bucks still bucks still b short that elusive 3

worthlessBucks · Post #662 » by **worthlessBucks** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:28 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Who am I missing? Why wouldn't we keep Wolters this year even if he does stuck? You think a GM is gonna cut a guy he traded up for before giving him a season in the D-League?

ampd · Post #663 » by **ampd** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:29 am

MVP2110 wrote:What makes you guys think Wolters won't make the team? He has looked alright on offense to me in SL and has potential. I'd rather keep 4 pg's cause I fully don't expect Ridnour or Ish on the team past this season

He can't create either for himself or others. In the pick and roll its easy for his own man to contain him, and in isolation situations he struggles to go anywhere with the ball without a screen. Today we saw him against Bazemore and Machado in extended minutes with them picking him up 3/4 court and he couldn't even initiate the offense most of the time. Those guys are borderline NBA players, he is going to massively struggle to create or get any separation against actual NBA PGs.

On the defensive end he struggles badly to stay in front of anyone in the SL, quality NBA PGs would destroy him. Even someone like Jennings could easily make him look really terrible on both ends.

I don't see the upside either. He is a guy who already has a very high BBIQ, and there's nothing untapped athletically. Most likely he is what he is, which is a poor man's Beno Udrih.

Baddy Chuck · Post #664 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:31 am

That twitter source looks seriosuly laughable. He has to be 18 years old and literally hasn't reported anything else ever, I'm not buying it. That is seriously the package they offered for Rondo, and there's talks of Jennings?

ampd · Post #665 » by **ampd** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:31 am

worthlessBucks wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Who am I missing? Why wouldn't we keep Wolters this year even if he does stuck? You think a GM is gonna cut a guy he traded up for before giving him a season in the D-League?

We probably won't really cut him. But we probably should.

Trading up for him was dumb, Ledo was the higher upside guy anyway

Baddy Chuck · Post #666 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:32 am

driese0824 wrote:If the bucks do this deal can stuckey play the 3,or will the bucks still bucks still b short that elusive 3

Stuckey could never play small forward.

worthlessBucks · Post #667 » by **worthlessBucks** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:34 am

ampd wrote:We probably won't really cut him. But we probably should.

Trading up for him was dumb, Ledo was the higher upside guy anyway

I am reading what you guys were discussing now, but anytime you see 'you think a GM (insert something stupid)' you have to immediately post a Hammond pic. It's like in the bible or something.

ampd · Post #668 » by **ampd** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:35 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
driese0824 wrote:If the bucks do this deal can stuckey play the 3,or will the bucks still bucks still b short that elusive 3

Stuckey could never play small forward.

If JJ Redick can play SF, so can Stuckey /Hammonds

emunney · Post #669 » by **emunney** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:35 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:That twitter source looks seriosuly laughable. He has to be 18 years old and literally hasn't reported anything else ever, I'm not buying it. That is seriously the package they offered for Rondo, and there's talks of Jennings?

It would be pretty great if the first great trade Hammond makes comes when he gets back together with Dumars. Wonder Twin powers activate? Form of trade murder?

buckboy · Post #670 » by **buckboy** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:38 am

3 summer league games and we've given up on Wolters already?

mmmmmkay.

Baddy Chuck · Post #671 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:51 am

buckboy wrote:3 summer league games and we've given up on Wolters already?

mmmmmkay.

He's looked pretty **** atrocious. I'd obviously still throw him into the D-League or the end of the bench to learn, but man he looks bad.

Matches Malone · Post #672 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:53 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
buckboy wrote:3 summer league games and we've given up on Wolters already?

mmmmmkay.

He's looked pretty **** atrocious. I'd obviously still throw him into the D-League or the end of the bench to learn, but man he looks bad.

Wolters is gonna be in the D-League. He needs time to develop.

Knight/Ridnour/Smith
Mayo/Stuckey/Jones
Delfino/FA SF/Antetokounmpo
Ilyasova/Henson
Sanders/Pachulia/Ayon

D League - Wolters

ampd · Post #673 » by **ampd** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:55 am

I'm fine with putting Wolters in the D League, but I just don't see any upside there at all. Develop into what?

breakchains · Post #674 » by **breakchains** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:55 am

probably just another kid trying to make a name for himself on twitter. That said, I would take on Knight and be mildly, moderately, lightly excited about it. Mainly to be officially moved on from the Jennings era, but also because Knight does have talent. If he can get past the PTSD from the Kyrie/DeAndre soul-crushing finishing moves he suffered.

Matches Malone · Post #675 » by **Matches Malone** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:57 am

breakchains wrote:probably just another kid trying to make a name for himself on twitter. That said, I would take on Knight and be mildly, moderately, lightly excited about it. Mainly to be officially moved on from the Jennings era, but also because Knight does have talent. If he can get past the PTSD from the Kyrie/DeAndre soul-crushing finishing moves he suffered.

At least he had the guts to play ACTUAL defense.

breakchains · Post #676 » by **breakchains** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:58 am

StikWitEM wrote:
breakchains wrote:probably just another kid trying to make a name for himself on twitter. That said, I would take on Knight and be mildly, moderately, lightly excited about it. Mainly to be officially moved on from the Jennings era, but also because Knight does have talent. If he can get past the PTSD from the Kyrie/DeAndre soul-crushing finishing moves he suffered.

At least he had the guts to play ACTUAL defense.

agreed. that's why I respect him. as long as the play didn't make him change that philosophy. I'm sure it was traumatizing :lol:

Baddy Chuck · Post #677 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:58 am

StikWitEM wrote:At least he had the guts to play ACTUAL defense.

Kilo · Post #678 » by **Kilo** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:59 am

As a Piston fan, never heard of this supposed in-the-know blogger. I was coming here to ask you guys if he was legit as I assumed he was a Milwaukee guy.

The guy probably made it up because a day or so before the draft Udoh tweeted "I love Detroit" or something like that out of the blue (nobody can really love Detroit unless they're getting paid millions to play there). But then nothing ever came of it.

Why would you guys amnesty Gooden and then trade away Udoh, and bring in no bigs in the deal? Are you really stacked at the 4/5?

emunney · Post #679 » by **emunney** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:01 am

Kilo wrote:
Why would you guys amnesty Gooden and then trade away Udoh, and bring in no bigs in the deal? Are you really stacked at the 4/5?

We'd still have Ersan, Sanders, Henson, Zaza, Ayon.

breakchains · Post #680 » by **breakchains** » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:01 am

also re: Rondo, I am apparently far higher than him than everyone on this board. If I knew that Rondo would be content in Milwaukee, I would be all over paying a good price to get him. My apprehension is a worry about giving up assets and then losing him shortly thereafter, as we are all too familiar with. But on the court, he is a savant, IMO.

What should the Bucks do with Jennings?