The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[emunney]

I disagree. He tried to make a good plan and it didn't pan out. That was a heads up play and was trying to do something good. And who cares if DeAndre has to go to the line. He is a terrible free throw shooter.

Ok. Let's say he does it one hundred times. It's a foul every time. How many times does he stop the dunk? I would tend to go with zero, but let's say 20. Jordan scores 160 points on dunks and gets 120 FTs, of which he makes 1/3. So back to 200 points.

25 times, Brandon Knight dies of internal bleeding.

We are talking about this dunk right? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyUXd3Lb0I[/youtube]

That dunk was really tough and I think everything had to go right for DJ on his timing and the feed to catch from that spot and throw it down from that far away. The dunk was just impressive by DJ and I bet if you tried the same thing 100x he would get an and1 33%, fouled 33% for 2 shots, and miss the other 33%. I take my chances on contesting Jordan than giving him an easy dunk.

Nothing about Brandon Knight being there made that dunk less likely.

[Swan Vox]

Does everyone really view Henson as untouchable here? I agree he's a nice piece, but defiantly not a superstar or someone I would let get in the way of acquiring someone like Rondo. Just trying to get a feel for other's opinions on him. Seems I took a little bit of flak for questioning his heart tonight.

Don't view him as untouchable, but I do view him as a pretty damn valuable asset at this point.

Honestly, it might be sad or ridiculous to say but this is how I rank the Bucks' assets right now:
1.Giannis
2.Sanders
3.2014 1st
4.Henson
5.Ersan
6.Everyone else

Giannis and Sanders I view as pseudo-untouchable. 2014 1st a notch below that. Henson a few notches below that. and then a decent sized gap, and then Ersan, who I would readily move for young assets/picks (unless Rondo was coming back, I would flip Henson and Ersan).

I agree that Giannis & Sanders should be asset 1a & 1b. Would really love to hold onto that 2014 first as well. The rest I am not as high on. Henson & Ersan should be able to fetch you nice players in return. I am by no means emotionally attached to either one of them. I think some people mistake me suggesting trades for Henson as me advocating a deal like the Tobias trade. Well, I'm not. The Tobias trade was an abject failure from the very start. Trading young talent for low upside rental players is always a mistake unless you are one piece away from a championship, which the Bucks most certainly are not. Now trading young talent for other high upside roster balancing talent is another thing. Acquiring a guy like Bledsoe for one of our PF's might have been a nice roster balancing deal. We have too many front court players right now.

[jr lucosa]

I don't mind that Knight got dunked on, more concerned about him being a terrible PG.

[emunney]

If you'd rather have guys stand around and not do anything than that's your choice. Give me the player with the heart to stand up to punks like DeAndre, regardless if he gets burned or not. At least it shows a committment to the defensive end and makes the play tougher for DeAndre to complete. NO EASY BASKETS! Make him work for his points.

The only reason it was a hard basket was that the pass was thrown behind him. Brandon Knight might as well have been a fly.

You are just looking for excuses now. If the pass wasn't thrown behind him the dunk would still be more difficult with someone in his face than having a free dunk attempt. How do you not see that?

I absolutely agree that the dunk would have been more difficult with someone in his face. Brandon Knight was in his armpit.

[Matches Malone]

Nothing about Brandon Knight being there made that dunk less likely.

You don't know that. Knight could have moved his arm an inch lower and it could have tipped the ball. You can't just go off of this one play. If Knight were to do this 100 times, there would be plenty of different outcomes depending on certain angles etc.

[Baddy Chuck]

Cool dude. I said that's how I value them. Didn't expect others to agree, which is why I said it may sound ridiculous.

Like how you value them to yourself or how you believe the league values them?

As of now there is a chance at Wiggins. To me, for a franchise stuck in purgatory, a shot at Wiggins > Sanders. He could potentially save the team from moving.

So that means other teams would value Henson or our 14' #1 higher then Larry? I think Larry is so far ahead of our other assets in terms of trade value it's ridiculous to think otherwise. My opinion though.

[Baddy Chuck]

I don't mind that Knight got dunked on, more concerned about him being a terrible PG.

Pretty much, he's an asset though so **** it. There won't be many assets on the table in a potential Jennings trade scenario.

[Matches Malone]

I absolutely agree that the dunk would have been more difficult with someone in his face. Brandon Knight was in his armpit.

You're still going off just one play. If Knight does this with other players on other plays there are tons of different scenarios that could play out. That is what makes his defense something to admire. He is at least trying to get into position to make a play on the ball rather than standing around.

[Swan Vox]

Super super early in the process, but it looks to me that we might have lucked out with Giannis. His mystery may have worked to our advantage & allowed us to land a potential star. I'd be very very reluctant to part with him at this point, more so than Henson.

[SkilesTheLimit]

BJ and Udoh for Stuckey, CV and Knight does work. Add a 2016 lotto protected first and I'm in.

I hate every one of those DET players. I can't get behind this trade. I know CV and Stuckey are expirings, but WTF do I care about that? We had lots of expirings this off-season and look what we get: Mayo, Zaza, Delfino, and Ridnour. There ain't no LeBron sweepstakes in Milwaukee in 2014. Nobody is coming here as a FA.

This deal sucks.

[emunney]

His defense is fine, but this was a bad decision. This is not other players or other plays. This is a jump-ball in front of the rim with one of the biggest, most explosive players in the league, and it results in a dunk and a foul instead of just a dunk.

[breakchains]

Cool dude. I said that's how I value them. Didn't expect others to agree, which is why I said it may sound ridiculous.

Like how you value them to yourself or how you believe the league values them?

The question asked was how others here view Henson's value. My response was how I would value Bucks assets if I was running the team. Of course valuing an 18 year old Euro over Sanders is a major projection, fraught with potential peril, but that's how I have it at this point. I am very very high on Giannis at this point. I acknowledge that it would be risky to value him above Sanders, but as a GM I think you have to look forward and make your best assessments. No one would have put Larry as the top asset the Bucks had 3 years ago, and if someone felt that way at the time, they would have been laughed at. 3 years later, they would have turned out right. A few years before that you could say the same thing about Joe Alexander, which ended up the opposite. Doesn't really matter with the Bucks though, because I had Tobias as the most valuable asset last year at this time, and the Bucks gave him away for peanuts.

[ampd]

BJ and Udoh for Stuckey, CV and Knight does work. Add a 2016 lotto protected first and I'm in.

i'd take bj for knight, singler, and a protected 1st

I would take BJ for Knight and anything they wanted to add. They can take Udoh if they want.

i agree in principle, although i really don't want charlie v back here

[breakchains]

Super super early in the process, but it looks to me that we might have lucked out with Giannis. His mystery may have worked to our advantage & allowed us to land a potential star. I'd be very very reluctant to part with him at this point, more so than Henson.

To me it's not even close between Henson and Giannis. Henson I could move in a trade that make sense. Almost any trade involving Giannis would make me sick, feeling as though it would ultimately fall somewhere along the Dirk/Tobias spectrum.

[buckboy]

If you can get anything of value for Jennings (other than the obvious value of getting rid of Jennings), you sink your teeth in and hang on for dear life.

Knight qualifies. Get it done Hammond (he says knowing there's not a chance in Hell Hammond gets it done).

[Swan Vox]

Super super early in the process, but it looks to me that we might have lucked out with Giannis. His mystery may have worked to our advantage & allowed us to land a potential star. I'd be very very reluctant to part with him at this point, more so than Henson.

To me it's not even close between Henson and Giannis. Henson I could move in a trade that make sense. Almost any trade involving Giannis would make me sick, feeling as though it would ultimately fall somewhere along the Dirk/Tobias spectrum.

Yep, I am really liking what I am seeing from Giannis. Dude has had the "it" factor in this U20 tourney. Haven't seen an impact on a game like that from a Bucks player since...well? It's been awhile.

[VooDoo7]

I like how we're getting our hopes up again for the 3rd time, but each time the quality of the trade goes down.

Bledsoe- Everybody was doing summersaults in their gizz-filled jeans.

Teague- Hell yes. Nice young PG and an upgrade. Plus, Jennings is for sure gone.

Knight- Dude pretty much sucks, but at least Jennings is gone.

[jakecronus8]

Cool dude. I said that's how I value them. Didn't expect others to agree, which is why I said it may sound ridiculous.

Like how you value them to yourself or how you believe the league values them?

As of now there is a chance at Wiggins. To me, for a franchise stuck in purgatory, a shot at Wiggins > Sanders. He could potentially save the team from moving.

So that means other teams would value Henson or our 14' #1 higher then Larry? I think Larry is so far ahead of our other assets in terms of trade value it's ridiculous to think otherwise. My opinion though.

It would depend on the team I suppose. If you're looking for the last guy to get you over the hump then Larry or Arsen probably are the targets. If you're a rebuilding you want as many high picks in this draft as you can get.

[Swan Vox]

I like how we're getting our hopes up again for the 3rd time, but each time the quality of the trade goes down.

Bledsoe- Everybody was doing summersaults in their gizz-filled jeans.

Teague- Hell yes. Nice young PG and an upgrade. Plus, Jennings is for sure gone.

Knight- Dude pretty much sucks, but at least Jennings is gone.

Yep. Your Milwaukee Bucks everyone....where lowered expectations happen.

Or "where dreams go to die".

[TheWig]

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According to sources, the Pistons and Bucks are discussing a sign and trade for PG Brandon Jennings in return for Brandon Knight and a pick.

More 2nd round picks!!!!!!!!