The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[TchenBucks]

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, and I see there is a lot of tension in regards to Brandon Jennings, justifiably so.

It has been hinted, but not fully talked about.

What are the overall boards feelings if Jennings were to sign a 5yr 50m deal?



PS. Reading some comments I am sure I will take some heat for this, but I am on the side that wants to see what Jennings can offer with a smarter coach, and some more efficient talent around him. Running a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths, Monta Ellis who was a career 44% shooter shot around 41% for his tenure with the Bucks. If a new offense can get Jennings around 42-43%, I would love it, and that would equate to around 4-5 more points per game would he take the same volume of shots.

[yoshii8]

I would not be excited about a 5 year 50 million dollar deal. I don't think he wants to be here, and I don't think it would be a wise investment.

[bigdog34]

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, and I see there is a lot of tension in regards to Brandon Jennings, justifiably so.

It has been hinted, but not fully talked about.

What are the overall boards feelings if Jennings were to sign a 5yr 50m deal?



PS. Reading some comments I am sure I will take some heat for this, but I am on the side that wants to see what Jennings can offer with a smarter coach, and some more efficient talent around him. Running a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths, Monta Ellis who was a career 44% shooter shot around 41% for his tenure with the Bucks. If a new offense can get Jennings around 42-43%, I would love it, and that would equate to around 4-5 more points per game would he take the same volume of shots.

I'm thinking you'd see the suicide rate in Milwaukee go up significantly.

[TchenBucks]

I'm thinking you'd see the suicide rate in Milwaukee go up significantly.

Ouch, that is some serious hatred.

[eagle13]

he matched the offer how is that playing hammonds man im surprised y0ou r not blaming hammonds for the cost of fuel or the recession

Its hammonds fault that the bucks suck causing fans to stop going to & spending at games thereby the cause for the cost of fuel and the recession

[TchenBucks]

I would not be excited about a 5 year 50 million dollar deal. I don't think he wants to be here, and I don't think it would be a wise investment.

It is always hard to tell what a player truly wants, because I bet even Brandon Jennings has no clue what he wants.

If signing an extension was going to happen no matter what, what is the most you would pay him on a 5yr deal?

[CanadaBucks]

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, and I see there is a lot of tension in regards to Brandon Jennings, justifiably so.

It has been hinted, but not fully talked about.

What are the overall boards feelings if Jennings were to sign a 5yr 50m deal?



PS. Reading some comments I am sure I will take some heat for this, but I am on the side that wants to see what Jennings can offer with a smarter coach, and some more efficient talent around him. Running a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths, Monta Ellis who was a career 44% shooter shot around 41% for his tenure with the Bucks. If a new offense can get Jennings around 42-43%, I would love it, and that would equate to around 4-5 more points per game would he take the same volume of shots.

I'm thinking you'd see the suicide rate in Milwaukee go up significantly.

Tar and feather salesman profits would triple at least.

[yoshii8]

I would not be excited about a 5 year 50 million dollar deal. I don't think he wants to be here, and I don't think it would be a wise investment.

It is always hard to tell what a player truly wants, because I bet even Brandon Jennings has no clue what he wants.

If signing an extension was going to happen no matter what, what is the most you would pay him on a 5yr deal?

Maybe 6-7 million a year.

[Sigra]

Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, and I see there is a lot of tension in regards to Brandon Jennings, justifiably so.

It has been hinted, but not fully talked about.

What are the overall boards feelings if Jennings were to sign a 5yr 50m deal?



PS. Reading some comments I am sure I will take some heat for this, but I am on the side that wants to see what Jennings can offer with a smarter coach, and some more efficient talent around him. Running a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths, Monta Ellis who was a career 44% shooter shot around 41% for his tenure with the Bucks. If a new offense can get Jennings around 42-43%, I would love it, and that would equate to around 4-5 more points per game would he take the same volume of shots.

Change of coach argument would make sense if Jennings played consistently bad for Skiles. But that was not case. He would usualy play great before all star break but then when he realize that he is not selected at ASG then he start to play bad. That is not related with coach but with maturity and interligence and he lacks both.

[TchenBucks]

Tar and feather salesman profits would triple at least.

So signing Jennings would help those less fortunate.

[TchenBucks]

Change of coach argument would make sense if Jennings played consistently bad for Skiles. But that was not case. He would usualy play great before all star break but then when he realize that he is not selected at ASG then he start to play bad. That is not related with coach but with maturity and interligence and he lacks both.

I do not want to argue, as I like what you posted.

But maturity, intelligence, and on court performance all relate to the coach as well. Skiles did not try at all to relate to his guys. He also had no incentive system that would make players work harder for minutes. Instead, he would randomly insert player X into the game, who has been playing terrible in games and practice, even though player Y has been playing hard and been good in practice.

(Player X often times was Jennings, even though player Y, Udrih, was playing much better at that time. That is just one scenario of this happening)

[Sigra]

But maturity, intelligence, and on court performance all relate to the coach as well. Skiles did not try at all to relate to his guys. He also had no incentive system that would make players work harder for minutes.

Ok now, that is completly diferent argument and I agree that Skiles is idiot in that regard. But that is diferent from you first argument "a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths". I even agree with that first argument but I don't agree that you can blame Skiles for Jennings' lack of maturity, inteligence but mostly for his lack of desire to go in paint and do something there and his lack of vision and ability to see open man. The guy is jump shooter who needs to be motivated like a little child to even has sucess with his jump shoot. Someone ( I think Ayt) compared him with Derik Fisher. He is Derik Fisher who thinks that he is Allen Iverson. Terrible combination.

[CanadaBucks]

Tar and feather salesman profits would triple at least.

So signing Jennings would help those less fortunate.

Good angle.

[TchenBucks]

Ok now, that is completly diferent argument and I agree that Skiles is idiot in that regard. But that is diferent from you first argument "a primary iso offense under Skiles where we dribble for 20 secs and then chuck does not play to anyone's strengths". I even agree with that first argument but I don't agree that you can blame Skiles for Jennings' lack of maturity, inteligence but mostly for his lack of desire to go in paint and do something there and his lack of vision and ability to see open man. The guy is jump shooter who needs to be motivated like a little child to even has sucess with his jump shoot. Someone ( I think Ayt) compared him with Derik Fisher. He is Derik Fisher who thinks that he is Allen Iverson. Terrible combination.

Very good points.

But Jennings also showed many times he has what it takes to see every single angle.

Isn't it possible that the coaches (being Skiles and Boylan) DEMANDED Jennings take the most shots and be the scorer? And that Jennings was then benched because of his poor shooting, even though his poor shooting can also be directly related to a terribly ran offense due to coaching?

Not trying to give Jennings a pass here, the kid really irritated me, I am just trying to show another angle I think many people have not looked at. I may be wrong, but I really do feel coaching affected Jennings way more then people on this forum will accept.

[Sigra]

But Jennings also showed many times he has what it takes to see every single angle.

Isn't it possible that the coaches (being Skiles and Boylan) DEMANDED Jennings take the most shots and be the scorer? And that Jennings was then benched because of his poor shooting, even though his poor shooting can also be directly related to a terribly ran offense due to coaching?

Not trying to give Jennings a pass here, the kid really irritated me, I am just trying to show another angle I think many people have not looked at. I may be wrong, but I really do feel coaching affected Jennings way more then people on this forum will accept.

Coaching ALWAYS effect ALL players. However I saw so many times that Jennings go in the paint, the man who defend Sanders come to help leaving Sanders wide open under the rim, and then Jennings miss some crazy shoot or just turn around and return to 3 point line. I honestly can't remember him making assist in that situations and that should be easy pass for dunk. The most frustrating part of his game at least for me. But he also can't finish in any trafic. Even at fast breaks he is terrible. All things no related to coaching strategies.

[msiris]

You can look at all the angles you want, but BJ flaws have been pointed out many times. Stop blaming coaches for BJ short comings. A good PG knows what he needs to do in order to make his team better. Do you really think a coach tells him when to shoot every time? BJ is just an average PG. Its that simple.

[msiris]

But Jennings also showed many times he has what it takes to see every single angle.

Isn't it possible that the coaches (being Skiles and Boylan) DEMANDED Jennings take the most shots and be the scorer? And that Jennings was then benched because of his poor shooting, even though his poor shooting can also be directly related to a terribly ran offense due to coaching?

Not trying to give Jennings a pass here, the kid really irritated me, I am just trying to show another angle I think many people have not looked at. I may be wrong, but I really do feel coaching affected Jennings way more then people on this forum will accept.

Coaching ALWAYS effect ALL players. However I saw so many times that Jennings go in the paint, the man who defend Sanders come to help leaving Sanders wide open under the rim, and then Jennings miss some crazy shoot or just turn around and return to 3 point line. I honestly can't remember him making assist in that situations and that should be easy pass for dunk. The most frustrating part of his game at least for me. But he also can't finish in any trafic. Even at fast breaks he is terrible. All things no related to coaching strategies.

Didn't see this post, but rarely do I agree with you 100%

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We have 9th seed written all over us right now

You may be right but I don't see six teams we are better than right now.

I would say Orlando and Philly and ???????????????????????????????

Boston-not right now
Toronto-depth wise maybe but not starting 5
Charlotte-quite possibly we are
Any other teams are better on paper and barring signifcant injuries or regression of players

clearly the best of the EC
heat, pacers, nets, bulls

next tier.... hard to know how it all comes together but clearly playoff teams unless the wheels fall off.
knicks, hawks, bucks

might make a jump, more likely fighting for the 8th seed. maybe could climb into the middle tier if it all goes perfectly. all 3 of these teams are equally capable of being buckets of ass too.
cavs, wizards, pistons

sucky teams that arent even trying to win
celtics, bobcats, raptors, 76ers, magic

im assuming we fill our holes at pg and sf with 2 more solid veterans. if we dont.... and enter the season with unseasoned guys getting those minutes then were gonna fall back into the next tier.

[TchenBucks]

Think we will all agree to disagree with the effectiveness and value Jennings has for the Bucks.

Other then random emotional statements of immaturity, I have nothing against Jennings at all. I personally feel it is very hypocritical to jump on Jennings for his behavior, yet give Sanders a pass for his behavior on the court. He cost us several games because he could not keep his emotions in check. To me, both are serious issues, but given both players youth, I want to make sure we are the team who see's them through it and reaps the rewards.

I think a stat line of 20ppg, 7.5apg, 1.8spg on 43% shooting is well within reason for Jennings in a Larry Drew offense. Would hate to let that go without equal return. (Knight and Stuckey is far from equal return)

[mlloyd10]

Dont know if the Celtics would do this, but would you take on Wallace contract to get Rondo if it only cost us Jennings and Maybe Udoh? If the Celtics are trying to get out of Wallace's contract, this might intrigue them.