The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[smauss]

You can look at all the angles you want, but BJ flaws have been pointed out many times. Stop blaming coaches for BJ short comings. A good PG knows what he needs to do in order to make his team better. Do you really think a coach tells him when to shoot every time? BJ is just an average PG. Its that simple.

Totally agree with you Mike! If he was any better than average, and showed significant upside we wouldn't be having this discussion or need this thread because they would have extended him already without any discussion about Monta, Bledsoe, or Teague..... If we sign this clown to ANY long term deal I think I'd be sick!

[TchenBucks]

clearly the best of the EC
heat, pacers, nets, bulls

next tier.... hard to know how it all comes together but clearly playoff teams unless the wheels fall off.
knicks, hawks, bucks

might make a jump, more likely fighting for the 8th seed. maybe could climb into the middle tier if it all goes perfectly. all 3 of these teams are equally capable of being buckets of ass too.
cavs, wizards, pistons

sucky teams that arent even trying to win
celtics, bobcats, raptors, 76ers, magic

im assuming we fill our holes at pg and sf with 2 more solid veterans. if we dont.... and enter the season with unseasoned guys getting those minutes then were gonna fall back into the next tier.

That is exactly how I see the East shaping up, other then the fact I would have the Raptors in the might make a jump bracket with the Cavs, Wizards, and Pistons. Well done.

People that argue the Bucks are going to be worse then the Pistons, Cavs, Raptors and Wizards will be in for a shock. Adding 1 player to a team that wins 25-30 games does not make you a 41-44 win team. Especially when all 4 teams have major injury issues. Also, you cannot expect the Bucks to be worse when the young players will all improve, we upgraded the bench, and added better coaching along with more efficient players. Bucks as of now are only a 35-38 win team. Bring back Jennings, they are a 41-44 win team, get a solid SF such as Granger, and I see the Bucks as a 45-48 win team fighting for the 4th seed. Yet a Bucks team that has plenty of room to grow as well.

[Nebula1]

What's interesting about Brandon is if he got his FG% up, people wouldn't attack his game nearly as much. He also deserves more calls going to the rim, but doesn't get them at this point, which impacts his %s.

I agree coaching will help, age and experience will help and further studying the game will help. I do think skipping college hurt his game, but for all his flaws all of them can be improved with hard work.

I maintain that not having a significant player on the roster with Jennings has hurt his development. The Bucks drafted him and essentially asked him to save the franchise without any help and as the Bucks continue to add talent to the roster, it will only help round out his game as he matures into a stronger player. I hope to see him return and increase his numbers accordingly.

[TchenBucks]

Dont know if the Celtics would do this, but would you take on Wallace contract to get Rondo if it only cost us Jennings and Maybe Udoh? If the Celtics are trying to get out of Wallace's contract, this might intrigue them.

I would without a doubt.

[TchenBucks]

What's interesting about Brandon is if he got his FG% up, people wouldn't attack his game nearly as much. He also deserves more calls going to the rim, but doesn't get them at this point, which impacts his %s.

I agree coaching will help, age and experience will help and further studying the game will help. I do think skipping college hurt his game, but for all his flaws all of them can be improved with hard work.

I maintain that not having a significant player on the roster with Jennings has hurt his development. The Bucks drafted him and essentially asked him to save the franchise without any help and as the Bucks continue to add talent to the roster, it will only help round out his game as he matures into a stronger player. I hope to see him return and increase his numbers accordingly.

Great Post.

This is exactly how I see it.

Only player in league history who has shown he can almost turn a franchise around single handedly to win a title, but fell just short, is LeBron James when he took the Cavs to the finals against the Spurs.

Every other player has required major talent around them. Durant got Westy, Rose has Noah, Deng, and Boozer, George has a great defense along with Hibbert and West, I can go on and on with the leagues recent stars, but none of them had success until they were around other players of equal or better talent.

[CanadaBucks]

We have 9th seed written all over us right now

You may be right but I don't see six teams we are better than right now.

I would say Orlando and Philly and ???????????????????????????????

Boston-not right now
Toronto-depth wise maybe but not starting 5
Charlotte-quite possibly we are
Any other teams are better on paper and barring signifcant injuries or regression of players

clearly the best of the EC
heat, pacers, nets, bulls

next tier.... hard to know how it all comes together but clearly playoff teams unless the wheels fall off.
knicks, hawks, bucks

might make a jump, more likely fighting for the 8th seed. maybe could climb into the middle tier if it all goes perfectly. all 3 of these teams are equally capable of being buckets of ass too.
cavs, wizards, pistons

sucky teams that arent even trying to win
celtics, bobcats, raptors, 76ers, magic

im assuming we fill our holes at pg and sf with 2 more solid veterans. if we dont.... and enter the season with unseasoned guys getting those minutes then were gonna fall back into the next tier.

My prognosis was based on rosters right now but I really don't see how the Raptors aren't trying to win sending Jonas, Amir, Gay, DDR and Lowry out as a starting 5, yes thy aren't ddep but theey're better than the Bucks right now

[Larry Hensen]

I can see the bucks being pretty bad because IMO they are in the best division in the conference so 4 games each against all playoff teams won't help there cause.

[msiris]

What's interesting about Brandon is if he got his FG% up, people wouldn't attack his game nearly as much. He also deserves more calls going to the rim, but doesn't get them at this point, which impacts his %s.

I agree coaching will help, age and experience will help and further studying the game will help. I do think skipping college hurt his game, but for all his flaws all of them can be improved with hard work.

I maintain that not having a significant player on the roster with Jennings has hurt his development. The Bucks drafted him and essentially asked him to save the franchise without any help and as the Bucks continue to add talent to the roster, it will only help round out his game as he matures into a stronger player. I hope to see him return and increase his numbers accordingly.

I agree with you Nebs for the most part Nebs, but he does not want to be here. Do you honestly believe that he is worth the 12-14 mil a year range?

[Nebula1]

I just think the tune will change quickly once Jennings gets him %s up. People attack his character, but it's not really based on anything. Swag and so forth.

[TchenBucks]

I can see the bucks being pretty bad because IMO they are in the best division in the conference so 4 games each against all playoff teams won't help there cause.

Cavs and Pistons are far from playoff teams.

Adding one player does not instantly give you 15-20 more wins.

[Nebula1]

I agree with you Nebs for the most part Nebs, but he does not want to be here. Do you honestly believe that he is worth the 12-14 mil a year range?

What are you basing his not wanting to be in Milwaukee? I'm sorry, but if you trust media at all, that's a you problem when it's their job to create drama. He hasn't said anything, hasn't pursued a contract elsewhere and all we have are some weak leaks about his "salary demands".

Personally I think folks around here have his character wrong because of their own stereotypes. I have not met Jennings, but from all accounts he seems like a reasonable, albeit ambitious guy who has never gotten into trouble and never misses games.

I've said I'd give him something like 4/32 and would argue he could get more since it's the NBA. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 4/40 deal and wouldn't have an issue with the Bucks paying.

[giraldo5]

I just think the tune will change quickly once Jennings gets him %s up. People attack his character, but it's not really based on anything. Swag and so forth.

What about his play post All-Star selections? It's impossible to defend that as just a fluke and not an indictment on his character.

[InsideOut]

Why would BJ be worth 5/50 when no other team has even made him an offer?

A good player doesn't need 4yrs worth of excuses. A good player is a good player no matter who his coach is or who else plays on his teams. The Bucks need a PG that makes others better and not a PG that needs others to make him better. If a player needs the right coach running the right system and surrounded by great players to be good then that is not a player you lock up long term and consider a core piece.

[giraldo5]

Why would BJ be worth 5/50 when no other team has even made him an offer?

A good player doesn't need 4yrs worth of excuses. A good player is a good player no matter who his coach is or who else plays on his teams. The Bucks need a PG that makes others better and not a PG that needs others to make him better. If a player needs the right coach running the right system and surrounded by great players to be good then that is not a player you lock up long term and consider a core piece.

[TchenBucks]

I agree with you Nebs for the most part Nebs, but he does not want to be here. Do you honestly believe that he is worth the 12-14 mil a year range?

Who cares what he feels he is worth.

The market set his price. A minimum of 5yrs 40m. A maximum of 5yrs 55m. Settle in the middle and Jennings gets a 5yr 47.5m deal averaging 9.5 per season.

To get him to sign it, you give him a player option for the 5th season.

Or instead, if he truly thinks he is worth more.

You give him a 3yr 28.5m deal with a player option for year 3. That way he gets some money now, and gets to prove his worth. If he still flounders in a motion offense with a better coach, then he can be traded. But as I said before, 20ppg 7.5apg, and 1.8spg on 43% shooting is well within the realm of reason seeing as he was a 17.2ppg 6.5apg player in a terrible offensive system.

[IrishRainbow]

Wwz

[Nebula1]

I just think the tune will change quickly once Jennings gets him %s up. People attack his character, but it's not really based on anything. Swag and so forth.

What about his play post All-Star selections? It's impossible to defend that as just a fluke and not an indictment on his character.

Young dude who really wants to be an All Star and was extremely disappointed. He's still learning to be a pro, but he wants the shine too and was obviously discouraged to the point it affected his play. He'll grow out of that eventually.

I think it's a indictment on his character how badly he wants to be an All Star. He played amazingly well in his pursuit of the designation so if you're going to discredit him by playing poorly post-selection, then you should credit his play prior.

[mlloyd10]

Why would BJ be worth 5/50 when no other team has even made him an offer?

A good player doesn't need 4yrs worth of excuses. A good player is a good player no matter who his coach is or who else plays on his teams. The Bucks need a PG that makes others better and not a PG that needs others to make him better. If a player needs the right coach running the right system and surrounded by great players to be good then that is not a player you lock up long term and consider a core piece.

This is way i think Rondo is over-rated - He has played with nothing but All-Stars/HOFer's

[Ron Swanson]

clearly the best of the EC
heat, pacers, nets, bulls

next tier.... hard to know how it all comes together but clearly playoff teams unless the wheels fall off.
knicks, hawks, bucks

might make a jump, more likely fighting for the 8th seed. maybe could climb into the middle tier if it all goes perfectly. all 3 of these teams are equally capable of being buckets of ass too.
cavs, wizards, pistons

sucky teams that arent even trying to win
celtics, bobcats, raptors, 76ers, magic

im assuming we fill our holes at pg and sf with 2 more solid veterans. if we dont.... and enter the season with unseasoned guys getting those minutes then were gonna fall back into the next tier.

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no universe where the Bucks are in the same tier as the Knicks, let alone a "clear playoff team". Hawks, Cavs, Wizards, and Pistons have more talent on their rosters than us. It's a toss up depending on injuries and other factors whether or not we finish ahead of any of those teams. Unless we sign a real plus player, (unlikely given the scraps left in FA), this team is not very talented and has very poor depth. People are still severely overrating this roster.

[TchenBucks]

Why would BJ be worth 5/50 when no other team has even made him an offer?

A good player doesn't need 4yrs worth of excuses. A good player is a good player no matter who his coach is or who else plays on his teams. The Bucks need a PG that makes others better and not a PG that needs others to make him better. If a player needs the right coach running the right system and surrounded by great players to be good then that is not a player you lock up long term and consider a core piece.

So we are just assuming now?

How do you know Jennings has not gotten an offer? Is there a source that states this? I would like to see it if there is because I have not seen it.

Most teams with a PG need to not have cap room to make him an offer. The only option teams have was to work a S&T.