The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[CanadaBucks]

Yes, we all know he got an offer from the bucks many months ago. We are taking about getting an offer from another team once the FA season began. No teams want to pay him because they feel he isn't worth it. If they did they would make him an offer and the Bucks would get a chance to match.

Again, you have to have cap space in order to sign someone. I am trying to find the link with which teams have the most cap space currently that I saw a few days ago, but none had a glaring need at PG.

No team with cap has a glaring need at PG, thus no real offers.

This does not mean you further short change and piss Jennings off.

You do what we have been stated as doing. Look into Sign and Trade's to pull his value from other teams, then you have a fair ball park to play in.

Saying you would just low ball him to no ends is exactly what you do not do, because it not only would piss Jennings off, but would make situations with every single player we deal with in the future a very tough situation.

Why bid against yourself though, value is set by the market, supply vs. demand.

[msiris]

If I had to, I would give him the same exact contract that they gave Ilyasova

I would love that, and I think Jennings is warming up to the fact he over valued himself.

And where did you see that? I do not know if he is smart enough to realize that.

[TchenBucks]

Yes, we all know he got an offer from the bucks many months ago. We are taking about getting an offer from another team once the FA season began. No teams want to pay him because they feel he isn't worth it. If they did they would make him an offer and the Bucks would get a chance to match.

Again, you have to have cap space in order to sign someone. I am trying to find the link with which teams have the most cap space currently that I saw a few days ago, but none had a glaring need at PG.

No team with cap has a glaring need at PG, thus no real offers.

This does not mean you further short change and piss Jennings off.

You do what we have been stated as doing. Look into Sign and Trade's to pull his value from other teams, then you have a fair ball park to play in.

Saying you would just low ball him to no ends is exactly what you do not do, because it not only would piss Jennings off, but would make situations with every single player we deal with in the future a very tough situation.

Why bid against yourself though, value is set by the market, supply vs. demand.

And the market is what teams are willing to sign him to via the Sign and Trades we are discussing.

If there is no way to show Jennings his value, he will obviously demand 12m per, but once other teams start offering him 8, 9, or 10 per, then we have our market, and means to prove his worth.

That is my point.

[TchenBucks]

If I had to, I would give him the same exact contract that they gave Ilyasova

I would love that, and I think Jennings is warming up to the fact he over valued himself.

And where did you see that? I do not know if he is smart enough to realize that.

That fact it was earlier tweeted Bucks and Jennings were making progress on a deal.

[CanadaBucks]

Again, you have to have cap space in order to sign someone. I am trying to find the link with which teams have the most cap space currently that I saw a few days ago, but none had a glaring need at PG.

No team with cap has a glaring need at PG, thus no real offers.

This does not mean you further short change and piss Jennings off.

You do what we have been stated as doing. Look into Sign and Trade's to pull his value from other teams, then you have a fair ball park to play in.

Saying you would just low ball him to no ends is exactly what you do not do, because it not only would piss Jennings off, but would make situations with every single player we deal with in the future a very tough situation.

Why bid against yourself though, value is set by the market, supply vs. demand.

And the market is what teams are willing to sign him to via the Sign and Trades we are discussing.

If there is no way to show Jennings his value, he will obviously demand 12m per, but once other teams start offering him 8, 9, or 10 per, then we have our market, and means to prove his worth.

That is my point.

If teams really wanted Jennings, wouldn't they have contacted us already?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no universe where the Bucks are in the same tier as the Knicks, let alone a "clear playoff team". Hawks, Cavs, Wizards, and Pistons have more talent on their rosters than us. .

the knicks roster has regressed and they are breaking down physically. they will go as far as carmelo can take them. they can be good, but just like some of these other teams that MAY take a jump..... the knicks could fall off a cliff at anytime. their roster is a wacky tinderbox.

the hawks i like but they are very undersized. horford and millsap will be a strength but they have zero depth behind them and their roster has had alot of turnover. we'll need to see how they do.

as far as the cavs, the wizards and the pistons. they could make a jump but i'll believe it when i see it. you are welcome to argue on their behalf all you want tho.

[msiris]

Yes, we all know he got an offer from the bucks many months ago. We are taking about getting an offer from another team once the FA season began. No teams want to pay him because they feel he isn't worth it. If they did they would make him an offer and the Bucks would get a chance to match.

Again, you have to have cap space in order to sign someone. I am trying to find the link with which teams have the most cap space currently that I saw a few days ago, but none had a glaring need at PG.

No team with cap has a glaring need at PG, thus no real offers.

This does not mean you further short change and piss Jennings off.

You do what we have been stated as doing. Look into Sign and Trade's to pull his value from other teams, then you have a fair ball park to play in.

Saying you would just low ball him to no ends is exactly what you do not do, because it not only would piss Jennings off, but would make situations with every single player we deal with in the future a very tough situation.

Why bid against yourself though, value is set by the market, supply vs. demand.

Hopefully the Bucks have learned from the contract they handed out to Gooden.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I don't know how it is unfair for Jennings to let Jennings go ahead and try to find someone to sign him or to trade for him at a certain price. Let him set his own market price. The only reason we are "low balling" him is that he thinks he is worth double than the market.

He was offered the extension before he quite on the team the second year in a row. I think it is safe to say the contract wasn't still on the table come June.

[TchenBucks]

If teams really wanted Jennings, wouldn't they have contacted us already?

How do you know they havnt? Bucks apparently talked to the Pistons, and several East coast teams according to multiple sources.

We only hear about rumors when they are no long being talked about, who is to say the Bucks are not currently talking.

Expecting what you hear from media to be truth is a complete joke. As what we hear from them almost always never happens, unless what they say happens within a short time frame.

[LUKE23]

the knicks roster has regressed and they are breaking down physically. they will go as far as carmelo can take them. they can be good, but just like some of these other teams that MAY take a jump..... the knicks could fall off a cliff at anytime. their roster is a wacky tinderbox.

the hawks i like but they are very undersized. horford and millsap will be a strength but they have zero depth behind them and their roster has had alot of turnover. we'll need to see how they do.

as far as the cavs, the wizards and the pistons. they could make a jump but i'll believe it when i see it. you are welcome to argue on their behalf all you want tho.

So are you trying to argue that this Bucks team is good? They won't be terrible, but they aren't going to be good either. Zero percent chance that this current roster can win a playoff series. I'd put it at less than 50% they get in as well. But I have no idea how someone could rationalize being excited about this current roster.

[TchenBucks]

So are you trying to argue that this Bucks team is good? They won't be terrible, but they aren't going to be good either. Zero percent chance that this current roster can win a playoff series. I'd put it at less than 50% they get in as well. But I have no idea how someone could rationalize being excited about this current roster.

With how often Jennings and Ellis have been murdered on this board, and people saying anyone would be better then them. You as well as many people make me snicker a little bit when you say we are worse even though jennings and ellis are the only players no longer on the roster.

[HELPLESS]

If teams really wanted Jennings, wouldn't they have contacted us already?

How do you know they havnt? Bucks apparently talked to the Pistons, and several East coast teams according to multiple sources.

We only hear about rumors when they are no long being talked about, who is to say the Bucks are not currently talking.

Expecting what you hear from media to be truth is a complete joke. As what we hear from them almost always never happens, unless what they say happens within a short time frame.

Do you see the irony?

You start off by using media sources to back your opinion and then you proceed to rip on the media.

[TchenBucks]

Do you see the irony?

You start off by using media sources to back your opinion and then you proceed to rip on the media.

I have only listed sources because people have demanded I do so.

[HELPLESS]

So are you trying to argue that this Bucks team is good? They won't be terrible, but they aren't going to be good either. Zero percent chance that this current roster can win a playoff series. I'd put it at less than 50% they get in as well. But I have no idea how someone could rationalize being excited about this current roster.

With how often Jennings and Ellis have been murdered on this board, and people saying anyone would be better then them. You as well as many people make me snicker a little bit when you say we are worse even though jennings and ellis are the only players no longer on the roster.

Just because BJ and Monta suck doesn't mean that other players aren't worse.

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

[InsideOut]

Yes, we all know he got an offer from the bucks many months ago. We are taking about getting an offer from another team once the FA season began. No teams want to pay him because they feel he isn't worth it. If they did they would make him an offer and the Bucks would get a chance to match.

Again, you have to have cap space in order to sign someone. I am trying to find the link with which teams have the most cap space currently that I saw a few days ago, but none had a glaring need at PG.

No team with cap has a glaring need at PG, thus no real offers.

This does not mean you further short change and piss Jennings off.

You do what we have been stated as doing. Look into Sign and Trade's to pull his value from other teams, then you have a fair ball park to play in.

Saying you would just low ball him to no ends is exactly what you do not do, because it not only would piss Jennings off, but would make situations with every single player we deal with in the future a very tough situation.

See...it's just more excuses for Jennings. Now he can't get an offer not because he's not highly sought after it's just because nobody needs him or has the cap room. I mean it's the owners fault, the coaches fault, the systems fault, his teammates faults now the new CBA is against him. The poor kid just can't catch a break.

The Bucks have decided they don't want BJ so why should they care if they piss him off? They wanted Teague instead and thought he was worth 8/32. Why should they pay more for a player they wanted less? Because they shouldn't piss him off? If the Hawks wanted BJ they would have let Teague go and made BJ an offer instead. That tells me they also feel BJ isn't worth 8/32.

You realize the Bucks told BJ to go out and get offers and he hasn't come back with one yet. Yet you feel we should just pay him more than Teague anyway? How is that being a good GM. The Bucks have been ripped for way overpaying guys in the past. The list is long and ugly. Look at how ALL those signings worked out for the Bucks. Most of us here want to see those days come to an end. You seem to want to continue down the same path of bidding against ourselves. And you want to do it for a player that can't find a team that will sign him to an offer. And you want to do it because we shouldn't tick off a player we don't want anyway?

[TchenBucks]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

[CanadaBucks]

If teams really wanted Jennings, wouldn't they have contacted us already?

How do you know they havnt? Bucks apparently talked to the Pistons, and several East coast teams according to multiple sources.

We only hear about rumors when they are no long being talked about, who is to say the Bucks are not currently talking.

Expecting what you hear from media to be truth is a complete joke. As what we hear from them almost always never happens, unless what they say happens within a short time frame.

I'd offer in the area of 2/12 right now and see if he takes it.

[HELPLESS]

TchenBucks & Nebula -

Could you breakdown why you think Jennings is deserving of $10 mil per year?

What does he do to help a team win? What are his elite strengths that make him anything but I bit piece on a good team?

Sincere questions...

[MickeyDavis]

See...it's just more excuses for Jennings. Now he can't get an offer not because he's not highly sought after it's just because nobody needs him or has the cap room. I mean it's the owners fault, the coaches fault, the systems fault, his teammates faults now the new CBA is against him. The poor kid just can't catch a break.

The Bucks have decided they don't want BJ so why should they care if they piss him off? They wanted Teague instead and thought he was worth 8/32. Why should they pay more for a player they wanted less? Because they shouldn't piss him off? If the Hawks wanted BJ they would have let Teague go and made BJ an offer instead. That tells me they also feel BJ isn't worth 8/32.

You realize the Bucks told BJ to go out and get offers and he hasn't come back with one yet. Yet you feel we should just pay him more than Teague anyway? How is that being a good GM. The Bucks have been ripped for way overpaying guys in the past. The list is long and ugly. Look at how ALL those signings worked out for the Bucks. Most of us here want to see those days come to an end. You seem to want to continue down the same path of bidding against ourselves. And you want to do it for a player that can't find a team that will sign him to an offer. And you want to do it because we shouldn't tick off a player we don't want anyway?

Exactly.

[HELPLESS]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

I wasn't making any point other than to say that Monta and BJ won't be the only two players who aren't back.

P.S. We have absolutely no clue if Wolters or Giannis will even see the floor. Wolters might not even make the team based on his terrible performances in the summer league. How much does Delfino have left?