Tyler clippard.. what do you guys really think..

TKF · Post #1 » by **TKF** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:33 am

The kid had another solid outing tonight, kept us in the game and displayed a nice out pitch wit his curve... exactly what we needed..

discuss..

Pharmcat · Post #2 » by **Pharmcat** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:35 am

i think he can be a legit #3 cat

simple as that

34Celtic · Post #3 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:36 am

solid starter....the whole falling off to different side thing scares me down the road. Hopefully.......

Clipp:Glavine::Hughes:Maddux

Jitpal · Post #4 » by **Jitpal** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:40 am

I think Clip can be a 3 or possibly a 2 when he's really on. Thought, with all the depth we have in the minors I would not be against dealing him to get help at another position like the bullpen or in the field. -Jitpal

Post #5 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 4:42 am

Clippard is 3-1 this season and that is with control issues. This kid is legit. Once he settles down in the majors and gets his command working well, you will see that WHIP fall and the strikeouts rise, that is what he is all about. And with his poise/confidence, that only helps him. I want to keep him because he is legit, our other prospects are still years away so we don't know for sure about them. Hughes and Clippard are the only good young starters we have that can pitch this/next season. Keep them.

I think his ceiling is a 3, but a good 3. A 2 is too high IMO.

cmaff051 · Post #6 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 4:48 am

I think Clippard can be a good middle of the rotation guy for us. I am not going to put a #3 or #4 number on it, but I think he can be valuable for us because he has shown throughout his minor league career that he is durable and can eat innings.

At best, I expect Clippard to give us like a 4.10-4.20 ERA... but that has a lot of value, because he can eat innings.

His command is much better than he has shown so far in the majors, he walked close to 2 batters per 9 innings in the minors and he's closer to 5 than 2 right now. His command will get better, and he'll start striking out more guys. What you like from him is that he has shown the ability to strike guys out. His fastball was sitting at 89-91 tonight, and that's a perfectly fine. He flashes a plus changeup and a very good curve, which he can get strikeouts on, he just needs to spot that pitch better.

I have high hopes for Clippard. Nobody is going to mistake him for an ace, and he'll give up more hits than innings pitched, but he is something we need, as he'll be an innings eater down the line.

ReggieFULLeffect · Post #7 » by **ReggieFULLeffect** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 12:16 pm

I love his change-up too. He already has a nasty curve and his change was on big time last night. I see big things from this guy. I wouldn't be too quick to throw a number on him yet but I can see that he will undoubtedly be solid.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #8 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 2:13 pm

I said this before Clip reminds me of young Greg Maddux, he's filthy vs LHB I mean a righty who pitches better vs lefties that's unreal , NYKGM you were right that kid excells at every challenge he faces

34Celtic · Post #9 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 2:28 pm

NYKnSTILL! wrote:I said this before Clip reminds me of young Greg Maddux, he's filthy vs LHB I mean a righty who pitches better vs lefties that's unreal , NYKGM you were right that kid excells at every challenge he faces

He lets up a lot of baserunners for the amount of batters he strikes out...When Maddux was Clipp's age he went 18-8 with a 3.18 and a 1.2 WHIP.

NYKnSTILL! · Post #10 » by **NYKnSTILL!** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 2:49 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He lets up a lot of baserunners for the amount of batters he strikes out...When Maddux was Clipp's age he went 18-8 with a 3.18 and a 1.2 WHIP.

true but stuff wise he has it.

throwbackewing33 · Post #11 » by **throwbackewing33** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 2:51 pm

yea hes no greg maddux but I will be fully confident in him be a regular 5th in the rotation for the rest of the year and all of next. Phil will take his spot in August barring any other injuries to himself and the rest of the pitching staff but next year he will be a regular. He has shown he can handle the pressure and has a true passion when he pitches. I loved his reaction after strucking out Thome last night. His only problem is when he leaves his changeup up in the zone and gets hammered. Due to his lanky frame its hard for him to repeat his mechanics. Once he feels comfortable in his body he will be far more consistent. I think next year he is really going to break out and surprise most people. Hes got the tools and the mental part, he just needs to be consistent with his mechanics and he could be a great pitcher for us in up coming years.

34Celtic · Post #12 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 2:57 pm

throwbackewing33 wrote:Due to his lanky frame its hard for him to repeat his mechanics. Once he feels comfortable in his body he will be far more consistent.

Like a poor mans Randy Johnson. The kids only 22 and I don't see why he's being project as a back end of the rotation guy...I think he will be a legit 2 guy in his prime

throwbackewing33 · Post #13 » by **throwbackewing33** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:02 pm

34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Like a poor mans Randy Johnson. The kids only 22 and I don't see why he's being project as a back end of the rotation guy...I think he will be a legit 2 guy in his prime

I just dont want to jump the gun and make a statement like that. What I do want to say is that he's a keeper and shouldnt be traded. Out of all the guys in AAA and AA he has proven he can handle big league hitters. For next year I will say he will be our 5th guy in the rotation. Once he breaks out he will of course be considered higher, Im just not jumping the gun until he proves he can repeat his mechanics, which is easier said than done because Randy Johnson took half of his career to do that.

34Celtic · Post #14 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 3:25 pm

throwbackewing33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I just dont want to jump the gun and make a statement like that. What I do want to say is that he's a keeper and shouldnt be traded. Out of all the guys in AAA and AA he has proven he can handle big league hitters. For next year I will say he will be our 5th guy in the rotation. Once he breaks out he will of course be considered higher, Im just not jumping the gun until he proves he can repeat his mechanics, which is easier said than done because Randy Johnson took half of his career to do that.

I just don't get why people are annointing Tabata a cross between Jeter and Ramirez (which is like crossing a turtle and a lion)....but Clippard is being viewed as a back of the rotation guy.

ReggieFULLeffect · Post #15 » by **ReggieFULLeffect** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 4:01 pm

You also have to love the way he challenges guys. I think in one of the first three innings last night he was 3-2 on Thome or Konerko with runners on and he challenged the batter and got the K. THat's something you love to see --- a young guy who isn't afraid of contact and trusts his pitches. I also loved how he used his change against righties last night it was really working for him.

It's too early to be talking front end of the rotation but the attitude is certainly there. I said before, wherever he is placed will be whats best for him and I believe he will be solid for the Yanks for years to come.

I just don't get why people are annointing Tabata a cross between Jeter and Ramirez (which is like crossing a turtle and a lion)....but Clippard is being viewed as a back of the rotation guy.

The comparisons of Tabata are being made based on raw talent, not his play at a higher level. It's easy to say that someone will be something but until they actually become what people predict, thats all it is -- prediction. I'd hold off on Manny/Derek comparisons until he gets here.

34Celtic · Post #16 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 4:10 pm

As will I

cmaff051 · Post #17 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 4:15 pm

The one thing that really got me excited about T-Clip is that he was sitting at 89-91 all day last night, which is more than enough. I heard some reports that he was only sitting at 88-89, but that couldn't be more true. With his fastball being in the 89-91 range, it isn't a liability anymore. He still has to spot it well, but he can also challenge hitters with that kind of fastball.

ReggieFULLeffect · Post #18 » by **ReggieFULLeffect** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 7:50 pm

The one thing that really got me excited about T-Clip is that he was sitting at 89-91 all day last night, which is more than enough. I heard some reports that he was only sitting at 88-89, but that couldn't be more true. With his fastball being in the 89-91 range, it isn't a liability anymore. He still has to spot it well, but he can also challenge hitters with that kind of fastball.

Right, if you can throw it at 90 to 91 and spot it well it's much more useful than a 93 to 94 FB that you can't really spot. Clip seemed to be able to spot his fastball last night and if he was sitting around 91 then that is a very good sign. I'd like to see him go a bit deeper in next start though.

TKF · Post #19 » by **TKF** » Wed Jun 6, 2007 11:08 pm

cmaff051 wrote:The one thing that really got me excited about T-Clip is that he was sitting at 89-91 all day last night, which is more than enough. I heard some reports that he was only sitting at 88-89, but that couldn't be more true. With his fastball being in the 89-91 range, it isn't a liability anymore. He still has to spot it well, but he can also challenge hitters with that kind of fastball.

yea, he has a curve that breaks late, so it looks like a strike all the way to the plate, that will make his 91 mph fastball look like 96, becuase no one will be able to sit on that fastball... His curve and breaking ball can be filthy at times...

Post #20 » by **moocow007** » Sat Jun 9, 2007 4:05 am

TKF wrote:The kid had another solid outing tonight, kept us in the game and displayed a nice out pitch wit his curve... exactly what we needed..

discuss..

Well despite looking a bit like Howdy Doody, he doesn't have that deer-in-the-headlights look in his eyes like most of the young Yankee pitchers brought up in recent years. That along gives him a plus.

Have to like the fact that even though he doesn't possess lights out stuff he's not afraid to challenge hitters and he seems to spot his pitches and mixes the up well to keep hitters off balance.

I think he's got a spot in the rotation in the long run...somewhere in the 3-5 range in terms of starting pitching.