The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[TchenBucks]

TchenBucks & Nebula -

Could you breakdown why you think Jennings is deserving of $10 mil per year?

What does he do to help a team win? What are his elite strengths that make him anything but I bit piece on a good team?

Sincere questions...

Elite speed is his elite strength right now. His ball handling and 1v1 on ball defense are good. But his pick and roll defense is terrible.

Has shown flashes of being a great passer, but when he got his major assist games, the team was actually making shots, which was rare last year.

Bottom line, 17.2ppg and 6.5apg is better then 14ppg and 7.2 apg (and Teague had better offensive options)

Teague got 8m on average, Jennings is worth as much or more, that is where I stand.

[MickeyDavis]

This whole argument of "we don't want to piss Jennings off" is pissing me off.

[BuckFan25226]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

[Balls2TheWalls]

This whole argument of "we don't want to piss Jennings off" is pissing me off.

This is the one thing I think the Bucks have done right. Pissing Brandon off should be the last thing on their minds when looking to make a successful roster. I don't care how Brandon felt about us signing Teague to an offer sheet. I think it should be obvious to him at this point that he priced himself out of anyone wanting him. Brandon's ignorance is no reason to continue to kiss his ass.

[engelmartin]

This whole argument of "we don't want to piss Jennings off" is pissing me off.

Yeah, it's stupid. We've pissed him off already, he's not getting the money he wants from anyone (including us), he's not a good basketball player, he sucks as a leader, no one wants to play with him, boo-hoo. Let's sign and trade him to the Knicks for Copeland and Felton, who cares? Get the guy out of town already so we can move on, he really isn't worth the amount of attention this board and the media have been giving him. He's a crappy PG who wants more money than players who are much better than him, the end.

[engelmartin]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

I would have liked to see a whole year of Redick without Jennings or Ellis. Dunleavy made a lot of timely shots. Moute sucks, so it was pretty easy to upgrade from him (any other SF would be an upgrade, even Delfino). On a side note, I think the Clippers are going to be scary good this year.

[HELPLESS]

TchenBucks & Nebula -

Could you breakdown why you think Jennings is deserving of $10 mil per year?

What does he do to help a team win? What are his elite strengths that make him anything but I bit piece on a good team?

Sincere questions...

Elite speed is his elite strength right now. His ball handling and 1v1 on ball defense are good. But his pick and roll defense is terrible.

Has shown flashes of being a great passer, but when he got his major assist games, the team was actually making shots, which was rare last year.

Bottom line, 17.2ppg and 6.5apg is better then 14ppg and 7.2 apg (and Teague had better offensive options)

Teague got 8m on average, Jennings is worth as much or more, that is where I stand.

Thanks for the breakdown.

What does elite speed get Jennings? Bad pull up jumpers! He can't ever finish with that elite speed.

His defense is horrendous. He waves and pokes. His defense has regressed every year.

He's had a few games in a row twice in his career where he's put up good assist numbers. He definitely is not a natural passer. And I was 100% positive that you would bring up others making shots. Like some other posters have mentioned, it's never Jennings fault. The ball hog Monta could get assists at will on this Bucks team. Why couldn't Jennings? You can't blame it on his teammates when Monta didn't have the same problem when he ran the point.

[MickeyDavis]

The fact is that Hammond wanted Teague as his PG and valued him at 4/32.

To argue that we should pay our second choice (or third or wherever Jennings falls on Hammonds PG list) more than that is absurd. It doesn't matter if anyone here thinks Jennings > Teague. Hammond obviously does not. And if he pays him more than 4/32 it would be the dumbest thing he's done, and that's saying a lot.

"Jeff Teague was the guy we wanted, we signed him to the offer of 4/32 and unfortunately Atlanta matched. We are now pleased to announce we have signed Brandon Jennings to a 4/40 deal. He wasn't our first choice but we offered him more than Teague because we didn't want to piss him off". Any court in the country would have him commited.

[SkilesTheLimit]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

[MickeyDavis]

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

It's a strategy of the new Stern guys in the FO. Paschke is no longer the lone wolf.

[trwi7]

Bucks apparently talked to the Pistons, and several East coast teams according to multiple sources.

[Ron Swanson]

This whole argument of "we don't want to piss Jennings off" is pissing me off.

Yeah, it's stupid. We've pissed him off already, he's not getting the money he wants from anyone (including us), he's not a good basketball player, he sucks as a leader, no one wants to play with him, boo-hoo. Let's sign and trade him to the Knicks for Copeland and Felton, who cares? Get the guy out of town already so we can move on, he really isn't worth the amount of attention this board and the media have been giving him. He's a crappy PG who wants more money than players who are much better than him, the end.

+1

I've been on the "get rid of Brandon at all costs" train since the deadline. I'm ok with the moves we've made for the most part, but if, after all this drama, Brandon is on our opening day roster come October, this entire offseason will have been a failure. Nothing else really needs to be said. We just need to move on.

[BuckFan25226]

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

This is the last place to do it, just fuels the fire.

[Larry Hensen]

Someone should make the multiple sources picture but with Gery woelfel.

[TchenBucks]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

Out of curiosity, how long have you worked for the Bucks?

What does me feeling we upgraded the team have to do with where I work?

I wish I worked for the Bucks in all honesty, been my dream job since childhood.

[CanadaBucks]

The Bucks have also lost Dunleavy, Moute and Redick.

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

I wasn't making any point other than to say that Monta and BJ won't be the only two players who aren't back.

P.S. We have absolutely no clue if Wolters or Giannis will even see the floor. Wolters might not even make the team based on his terrible performances in the summer league. How much does Delfino have left?

I really doubt Wolters is cut due to 5 SL games.

[TchenBucks]

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

[sneakerdust]

it was known we had a 4yr 40m deal on the table, and it was also known that we wanted Brandon. Was also stated we met with him several times both before FA, and after FA started.

Brandon likely said no, that he feels he is worth more, so we turned our attention to Monta.

T.C. I guess what people are saying is sometimes you only have one shot in life and that's fair. BJ had his chance to chip in for a big payday. Now the Bucks changed their mind. You can't take two swings at a ball or hit it twice. He thought he could and now he's paying a penalty for it.

[HELPLESS]

And replaced them with Ridnour, Wolters, Mayo, Delfino, Giannis, and Zaza.

That is some major upgrading with how terrible Redick and Moute played for us last season.

I wasn't making any point other than to say that Monta and BJ won't be the only two players who aren't back.

P.S. We have absolutely no clue if Wolters or Giannis will even see the floor. Wolters might not even make the team based on his terrible performances in the summer league. How much does Delfino have left?

I really doubt Wolters is cut due to 5 SL games.

I highly doubt he is as well but the point stands that Wolters will probably not be a big piece of the Bucks success, or lack thereof, this season. And if he is, it will probably be because they're terrible not because he's lighting it up. I hope I'm wrong though.

The main takeaway is that putting Wolters and Giannis in a conversation about the Bucks supposedly being vastly improved from last season is a little far fetched.

[CanadaBucks]

I wasn't making any point other than to say that Monta and BJ won't be the only two players who aren't back.

P.S. We have absolutely no clue if Wolters or Giannis will even see the floor. Wolters might not even make the team based on his terrible performances in the summer league. How much does Delfino have left?

I really doubt Wolters is cut due to 5 SL games.

I highly doubt he is as well but the point stands that Wolters will probably not be a big piece of the Bucks success, or lack thereof, this season. And if he is, it will probably be because they're terrible not because he's lighting it up. I hope I'm wrong though.

The main takeaway is that putting Wolters and Giannis in a conversation about the Bucks supposedly being vastly improved from last season is a little far fetched.

LOL ok because I agree they are not improved.