The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[Bucksfans1and2]

TchenBucks & Nebula -

Could you breakdown why you think Jennings is deserving of $10 mil per year?

What does he do to help a team win? What are his elite strengths that make him anything but I bit piece on a good team?

Sincere questions...

Elite speed is his elite strength right now. His ball handling and 1v1 on ball defense are good. But his pick and roll defense is terrible.

Has shown flashes of being a great passer, but when he got his major assist games, the team was actually making shots, which was rare last year.

Bottom line, 17.2ppg and 6.5apg is better then 14ppg and 7.2 apg (and Teague had better offensive options)

Teague got 8m on average, Jennings is worth as much or more, that is where I stand.

There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

[TchenBucks]

"Jeff Teague was the guy we wanted, we signed him to the offer of 4/32 and unfortunately Atlanta matched. We are now pleased to announce we have signed Brandon Jennings to a 4/40 deal. He wasn't our first choice but we offered him more than Teague because we didn't want to piss him off". Any court in the country would have him commited.

Jennings still had his 4/40 offer on the table afterward.

We would have preferred to pay Jennings that then sign Teague, but Jennings did not take it.

If we get Jennings for 4/40 or less, that is what we wanted. Teague was our third choice, after Jennings then Ellis.

Just follow the chain of sources from April to current date.

[BuckFan25226]

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

With all due respect, please carefully step down from your high horse. I'm a guy who grew up, and who's family has spent, now myself has spent, and still does spend a very good chunk of money on season tickets every year. I still go to games, still support the team. However I certainly don't have to agree and support every decision they make. I've grown up going to games my whole life. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they want to see the team improve and achieve greatness.

I do believe the bag nights, among other things can get a little ridiculous. But the bottom line is, I think we all have the same, or close to the same passion for this franchise. We also have differing views on how to achieve success. You can't honestly tell me signing Mayo, Zaza, Delfino etc are going to get us anywhere closer to a top 4 seed and contending for an NBA championship anytime soon. I do believe no matter what, we'll be better than last year, but that's not saying much.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the knicks roster has regressed and they are breaking down physically. they will go as far as carmelo can take them. they can be good, but just like some of these other teams that MAY take a jump..... the knicks could fall off a cliff at anytime. their roster is a wacky tinderbox.

the hawks i like but they are very undersized. horford and millsap will be a strength but they have zero depth behind them and their roster has had alot of turnover. we'll need to see how they do.

as far as the cavs, the wizards and the pistons. they could make a jump but i'll believe it when i see it. you are welcome to argue on their behalf all you want tho.

So are you trying to argue that this Bucks team is good? They won't be terrible, but they aren't going to be good either. Zero percent chance that this current roster can win a playoff series. I'd put it at less than 50% they get in as well. But I have no idea how someone could rationalize being excited about this current roster.

i didnt even mention the bucks in this post. but since you asked... i assume they will be at least as relevent as they were last year with the roster they will have. im not any more or less excited thatn every year... and usually(since i love watching the bucks).. im pretty excited. wrong way to categorize it for me i guess.

as far as how it will go? it seems pretty simple. none of the teams behind us made any roster moves that makes me think that theyre gonna be much better than they were.... and a couple teams in front of us developed some question marks.

in the EC the strong got stronger and the weak pretty much stayed the same or even regressed. i dont see how you think were gonna be in trouble unless you somehow think our roster really took a hit. personally i think its a little better.... its definitely gonna be more consistent.

[sneakerdust]

it was known we had a 4yr 40m deal on the table, and it was also known that we wanted Brandon. Was also stated we met with him several times both before FA, and after FA started.

Brandon likely said no, that he feels he is worth more, so we turned our attention to Monta.

T.C. I guess what people are saying is sometimes you only have one shot in life and that's fair. BJ had his chance to chip in for a big payday. Now the Bucks changed their mind. You can't take two swings at a ball or hit it twice. He thought he could and now he's paying a penalty for it.

Jennings still had his 4/40 offer on the table afterward.

We would have preferred to pay Jennings that then sign Teague, but Jennings did not take it.

If we get Jennings for 4/40 or less, that is what we wanted. Teague was our third choice, after Jennings then Ellis.

Just follow the chain of sources from April to current date.

T.C. BJ should have gone for the green when he had the chance.

[TchenBucks]

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

With all due respect, please carefully step down from your high horse. I'm a guy who grew up, and who's family has spent, now myself has spent, and still does spend a very good chunk of money on season tickets every year. I still go to games, still support the team. However I certainly don't have to agree and support every decision they make. I've grown up going to games my whole life. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they want to see the team improve and achieve greatness.

I do believe the bag nights, among other things can get a little ridiculous. But the bottom line is, I think we all have the same, or close to the same passion for this franchise. We also have differing views on how to achieve success. You can't honestly tell me signing Mayo, Zaza, Delfino etc are going to get us anywhere closer to a top 4 seed and contending for an NBA championship anytime soon. I do believe no matter what, we'll be better than last year, but that's not saying much.

No they are not, but having a league minimum cap now, of 53.5m means you have to spend money.

But when you have tankers that are as bad as they are, as well as top teams like Miami, Brook, Indy and Chi, what else can you really do but hit the minimum while trying to add youth to our core?

[SkilesTheLimit]

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

I have been a Bucks fan since I was very young. Rooting for a team that would routinely finish in last place and get their *** beat by MJ's Bulls every year. I enjoyed the 1998-2001 Bucks teams more than anything. But I got older and wiser. Understanding the way this organization operates infuriates me. I am sick and tired of 8th seed championships.

Keep proudly rooting for mediocrity. Herb Kohl and cronies thank you for your blind loyalty and your money.

[trwi7]

No they are not, but having a league minimum cap now, of 53.5m means you have to spend money.

No it doesn't. If there's no good value in terms of years and dollar amount just don't sign anybody and let the other players make more money until you reach the cap. Spending money just to reach the cap is stupid.

[SpursNBucks]

At one time the Bucks were willing to give BJ something in the $10M+ area, but after his body of work post All-Star break and his attitude that ship has sailed.

The problems with BJ (and why no one comes a callin/including his own team):
#1 Super inefficient scorer = a chucker (from simple stats below 40%FG, to advanced stats)
#2 Dribbles too much. The clock gets down too far too often and they are forced to take bad shots.
#3 Poor defender
#4 Doesn't seem to be a good leader, more of a I, Me, My - more about him then team.

I think there was hope that he would continue to progress, but it just didn't happen. BJ's best chance for success would be on a good team where he maybe is no better then the 3rd or 4th scoring option. You could blame some of his inefficiency on the fact he has been asked to do too much with the Bucks. I just don't think BJ and this Bucks team is a match.

Look for him to get traded (S+T) to either Detroit or Boston.

[worthlessBucks]

I wish I worked for the Bucks in all honesty, been my dream job since childhood.

They're hiring a few sales positions. Come see Zaza, Ridnour, and Delfino..Again!

[msiris]

Gotta love the new wave of "ballboys" joining the board and posting (non-surprisingly) in defense of this piss poor organization. Rationalizing questionable decisions and promoting marginal pickups and retreads.

It's like the Bucks PR dept have decided one focus this off-season is to generate more fan interest and support of the team and one mode is through social media/message boards where they hope to sell the propaganda they're all forced fed when they're hired. Get a **** clue.

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

The problem with you is that your loyalty blinds you from reality. Some people here think the Bucks are a bottom 5 team and in my opinion that's wrong as well.
The Bucks need to stop making mistakes in the way they put teams together. As a small market they cant afford to make mistakes all the time. Do you really think people are excited about the likes of Luke, Zaza, or Delfino? I do not mind Mayo. I have been a fan since 1969 and I know what good teams look like. You have seen one and that was already 12 years ago. I love the Bucks and I feel most here do as well, but the last 25 years have been really bad. Is it bad that people want a really good team?

[BuckFan25226]

I have been a fan since 1994.

I support my team to the end. The same most good fans would. It is done for the Packers and Brewers, even though the Brewers are one of the worst MLB teams in the history of the game as a franchise (not just this season). The Packers are obviously the golden team of the state, but even from the 70's and 80's when they sucked, they had much better support then what the Bucks get.

Bottom line, I cheer for my team, I love my team. And if you do not, that is your business. Just do not go thinking I have to hate the Bucks because all of you do.

With all due respect, please carefully step down from your high horse. I'm a guy who grew up, and who's family has spent, now myself has spent, and still does spend a very good chunk of money on season tickets every year. I still go to games, still support the team. However I certainly don't have to agree and support every decision they make. I've grown up going to games my whole life. It doesn't make anyone less of a fan if they want to see the team improve and achieve greatness.

I do believe the bag nights, among other things can get a little ridiculous. But the bottom line is, I think we all have the same, or close to the same passion for this franchise. We also have differing views on how to achieve success. You can't honestly tell me signing Mayo, Zaza, Delfino etc are going to get us anywhere closer to a top 4 seed and contending for an NBA championship anytime soon. I do believe no matter what, we'll be better than last year, but that's not saying much.

No they are not, but having a league minimum cap now, of 53.5m means you have to spend money.

But when you have tankers that are as bad as they are, as well as top teams like Miami, Brook, Indy and Chi, what else can you really do but hit the minimum while trying to add youth to our core?

I'm ok with adding youth and trying to win, but we are miserably failing at trying to win now. You have bloggers, writers all over giving us the big WTF are the Bucks doing??? I guess I understand what we're doing, we're building a team with high character, glue guys. But we've been trying to do that for 15 years and have failed. Myself, and most of the posters here simply disagree with attempting the same thing over and over and over that has failed this franchise 100% of the time.

The one time we tanked under Harris, we got the #1 pick, unfortunately Bogut was not the 20/10 monster we were hoping. But tanking has it's merits, and a high lottery pick puts you in a position to rebuild quicker, and more effectively. Not only that, if you have a top 3 pick and struck out on that elusive #1, that 2nd or 3rd pick can net you some very nice talent to build with, or a win now veteran, pending the situation of course.

I think I speak for most here when I say, the Bucks are already irrelevant. Why not take that last step, be bad for a couple years, collect some assets, collect some picks, get in the lottery and roll the dice for a change??

[sneakerdust]

T.C. if BJ is out of good offers over here, is the market good for a big contract in Taiwan with the J. Lin factor and all maybe some more UnderArmour work/merchandise too? Shoes, clubs etc.

[TchenBucks]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

[SkilesTheLimit]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

Absolutely it's win now. It's not just the moves they've made. It's what they've tried to do and failed on as well. The Teague acquisition was "win now" vs. bringing back Jennings. If we were tanking, we would not have signed Mayo. And finally, Ersan would not be a Buck right now if we hoped to lose games. We're rolling with the same flaming bag of poop that we have for the last 3 years when we achieved 8/9 seeds.

[msiris]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

Adding Mayo is one. Adding Luke and Zaza as back ups. This team still can 35-38 games.

[sneakerdust]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

Um, tried to get rid of BJ? Boy you really teed that one up for everybody, T.C.

[TchenBucks]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

Absolutely it's win now. It's not just the moves they've made. It's what they've tried to do and failed on as well. The Teague acquisition was "win now" vs. bringing back Jennings. If we were tanking, we would not have signed Mayo. And finally, Ersan would not be a Buck right now if we hoped to lose games. We're rolling with the same flaming bag of poop that we have for the last 3 years when we achieved 8/9 seeds.

Bringing in Teague now in my eyes does not mean win now, he is a 25 yr old who has room to grow. That seems Win Later to me.

Mayo is the same, he is a win later signing, not a win now signing.

We arnt tanking because we would have had to dump Sanders and Ersan in order to get worse then the bottom 5 teams in the league, I for one will not support dumping a guy like Sanders for a 1.6% chance at Wiggins.

I think Ersan being moved is very much still in the plans.

We are now being rumored as a prime landing spot for Gerald Henderson.

The Bucks to me seem to know that they will not be able to tank because Sanders is just to much of a difference maker, and that they cannot win this or next year because the Heat are too stacked. So adding Mayo, going after Teague or keeping Jennings, and now going after Henderson make sense in my eyes.

This is the first time I can actually understand being in the middle, because getting to the top is not possible, and getting to the bottom required to much sacrifice. Had Sanders never broken out last year, I would wager anything that we would be in full out tank mode this year.

[ampd]

But that is what I do not get.

What have we done THIS OFFSEASON, that says our goal is still to WIN NOW?

We tried to back up the dump truck of cash for JR Smith, then offered the 25 year old ~15th best PG in the league $30 million dollars.

[BuckFan25226]

We are now being rumored as a prime landing spot for Gerald Henderson.

Source?

I know it has been rumored that Charlotte is attempting to move him, but haven't seen anything regarding the Bucks.