Drew Gooden

[myrak433]

I believe that Drew Gooden and Linas Kleiza would give the Hawks a good balanced team. If we could sign both for 7 million for a year. Linas Kleiza may want a two or three year deal though. So something like
Gooden 2 year 4 Mil and Linas Kleiza 2 year 9 mil.
Line up would look something like

Teague/ Lou Wil/ Schroeder
Krover/ Jenkins
Kleiza/ Krover/
Millsap/ Brand
Horford/ Gooden
Scott
Carroll
and maybe Muscala and leave Bebe over seas for a year.

[azuresou1]

No. Both those guys quite frankly suck, especially on the defensive end. They're also old and have no place on this team.

I would much, much rather sign two D-League guys for the minimum and save my cap space for next year.

[myrak433]

No. Both those guys quite frankly suck, especially on the defensive end. They're also old and have no place on this team.

I would much, much rather sign two D-League guys for the minimum and save my cap space for next year.

Yeah they suck if you try to make them be more than what they are, role players. Just like Krover would suck if you ask him to me the best player on your team. But Gooden rebounds well and Kleiza can score anywhere on the floor. Two D-League guys couldn't do what they are good at don't fool yourself.

[azuresou1]

Drew Gooden is 31 and played 151 minutes last year. In those minutes, he averaged 12.4 points/36 MP, .382 TS%, an 11% REB rate, and a 84 ORTG. That probably doesn't mean much to you, but in comparison Ivan Johnson averaged 15.7/36, .546 TS%, a 14.7 REB rate, and a 102 ORTG, and he did it over 1035 minutes.

Translation: Ivan Johnson s***s all over Drew Gooden, while also being younger.

Kleiza is 28 and played 376 minutes, averaging 14.2/36, .460 TS%, and nonexistent other stats combined with terrible defense. He had a -7.2 on/off on the RAPTORS, and in general is horriawful.

They're not any better than D-League guys, I'd rather have my minutes elsewhere, and I'm not giving up $7M in cap space in next year's loaded FA class to take on these two scrubs.

[myrak433]

Drew Gooden is 31 and played 151 minutes last year. In those minutes, he averaged 12.4 points/36 MP, .382 TS%, an 11% REB rate, and a 84 ORTG. That probably doesn't mean much to you, but in comparison Ivan Johnson averaged 15.7/36, .546 TS%, a 14.7 REB rate, and a 102 ORTG, and he did it over 1035 minutes.

Translation: Ivan Johnson s***s all over Drew Gooden, while also being younger.

Kleiza is 28 and played 376 minutes, averaging 14.2/36, .460 TS%, and nonexistent other stats combined with terrible defense. He had a -7.2 on/off on the RAPTORS, and in general is horriawful.

They're not any better than D-League guys, I'd rather have my minutes elsewhere, and I'm not giving up $7M in cap space in next year's loaded FA class to take on these two scrubs.

You are correct Sir those True shooting percentage and all those gek advanced stats mean nothing to me. What I go by is the eye ball and simple stats. For instance, if you compare Goodens stats in a year where he actually got some playing time to Ivan's. Lets go back two years 2011-2012 season.... Gooden adv. 6.5 rebs and 13.7 pts in 26 mins ( what is the 36 min rate on that?) In Ivan's best year he did 6.4 pts and 4 rebs in 16:41 minutes. The fact is Ivan has heart and plays bigger than he is most of the time. But when he is faced with true height........ he comes up small. Gooden on the other hand can bang with the best of them. He just tries to be more than what he is capable sometimes (ala ZAZA). If Gooden was told just rebound the ball and get garbage points and put backs he would be exactly what we need.

And as far as Kleiza is concerned, He can score 30 pts in game ( not saying he can average 30. pts.) but he is capable in scoring 20 pts when we need points to come from somewhere. D-Leauge guys would not be able to do any of those two things (rebound the ball 10 plus a night and be a 20 point scorer if we need it), not against NBA talent. If they could they would not be in the D-Leauge.

[azuresou1]

There's a few reasons Drew Gooden isn't getting minutes anymore. I'm not going to be making any excuses for or taking any chances on a 31 year old who has seen his production fall off a cliff. Who cares about Kleiza being able to score 20 if he gives up 35 because he's a bottom 20 defender in the league?

You go ahead and sign Gooden and Kleiza for $7M a year, I'll use that capspace to help go after guys like Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, Larry Sanders, Pau, Kobe, etc.

[myrak433]

There's a few reasons Drew Gooden isn't getting minutes anymore. I'm not going to be making any excuses for or taking any chances on a 31 year old who has seen his production fall off a cliff. Who cares about Kleiza being able to score 20 if he gives up 35 because he's a bottom 20 defender in the league?

You go ahead and sign Gooden and Kleiza for $7M a year, I'll use that capspace to help go after guys like Paul George, DeMarcus Cousins, Larry Sanders, Pau, Kobe, etc.

Having Gooden making 2.5M a year and Kleiza making 4.5M a year will not stop you in getting Paul George,Cousins, Sanders, or Pau. Kobe is not coming to Atlanta. LOL!! Besides if that is the case get them on one year deals.

[azuresou1]

$7M a year is a lot of money. In our case, it would be the difference between about $40M salary and thus ~$18-20M space, and $47M salary and $11-13M space.

$18-20M cap space buys you just about any player in the league, assuming they're willing to come.
$11-13M cap space buys you second or third rate guys like Monta Ellis.

Even for this season, I would rather have the cap space so we can take on salary in trades.

[parson]

Waaaaay too much energy being spent on Drew Gooden and Linas Kleiza. Come on, they stink worse than average D-League players, they would be more expensive than D-Leaguers and they're old. Before we sign them, let's sign . . . almost anyone else for the vet minimum.

[myrak433]

Waaaaay too much energy being spent on Drew Gooden and Linas Kleiza. Come on, they stink worse than average D-League players, they would be more expensive than D-Leaguers and they're old. Before we sign them, let's sign . . . almost anyone else for the vet minimum.

Ok, maybe I am way off. But I would rather have a guy that can score 20 pts and a guy that can pull down 10 rebounds nightly than D-League players. And they are not that old Kleiza is what 28 or 29 and I believe Gooden is 31.

player of the week is garbage. Ok if you say so. I know they are not stars but they can play and could have a role on a playoff team. Kleiza would be our best SF.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/03/19/play ... index.html

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I just saying I know he is not a core player but he is better than Zaza, and Kleiza is better than Marvin Williams on the offensive side of the ball. That's all I am saying.

[hawksman1970]

Mullens and Defino are who we should get...



teague/schroder/mack
lou will/jenkins
korver/delfino
millsap/scott
horford/brand/muscala