The Brandon Jennings Conundrum (Day 30)

[msiris]

I would like to think that Henson and Sanders are part of the core but not the type of players a team should build around, if that makes sense. They are two guys that should be complimenting better players on a really good team.

If they were the 3rd and 4th best players on a team, I think the Bucks would win 50 plus games. Regardless of all that, you need a superstar to win a championship or a team filled with a bunch of unselfish all-stars (the recent Pistons champ team). History tells us getting a superstar is probably easier than filling your roster with multiple all-stars. There's only a couple of teams who have won it all that way.

That is why I would be fine with trading Sanders, Henson, Giannis and anyone else if it got the Bucks a superstar. That is obviously easier said than done. Get your star and then worry about building the rest of the roster like so many have mentioned.

And there is only one way for the Bucks to do that. They have been doing it backwards , since drafting Bogut. And some of it has been bad luck as well. Not getting that 3rd pick and missing out on Hortford.

Don't let Duke hear you say that

It's pretty clear to all of the sane here that drafting high is the path to the promiseland but it's unfortunately not going to happen until Kohl passes over to the promisedland. That's why injuries and stealth tank are all we can pin our hopes on.

With our luck Kohl will live to be 110 years old.

[VooDoo7]

Was at work all day...any new rumblings on the Jennings front? Any BuckPack morsels??

[Frank Nova]

Was at work all day...any new rumblings on the Jennings front? Any BuckPack morsels??

Nope and nope unfortunately.

[Andrewoc83]

I, too, lurk for hours each day (Personally, my favorite times on the message board are during free agency, pre- and post-draft and around the trade deadline). I'm so tired of the goal year in and year out being to reach the playoffs. It's excruciating as a fan. My prescription:

As for Brandon, I'm all for cutting ties. Ideally we could pull off a S&T for a young asset (no way it winds up being a 2014 lottery pick) and an expiring, or at least the expiring. At this point, BJ's proven he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee, so regardless of what we lose with him on the floor (he is the best remaining free agent PG), he'd just poison the impressionable minds of Henson, Sanders and 'Bo. I don't see him playing a minute for the Bucks if he accepts the QO.

This season is best spent simply developing our young talent, which Larry Drew demonstrates an interest in by going to Estonia to see 'Bo. Skiles was notorious for ignoring rookies, but it's nice to see this coaching staff excited about developing a young player (e.g., Teague came a long way with NVE and Drew at the helm).

But that doesn't mean we're tapping our young guys as franchise players either. None of 'em are go-to players, they're pieces to a team and the only way for the Bucks to acquire a franchise player to rely on each game is through the draft. Free agency requires us to overpay in our small market for second tier or worse players--it hasn't gotten us very far.

Let's cash it in this year, show off our young guys and put ourselves in a position to sell high on our young talent to acquire pieces at the deadline (Sanders), or, if it makes sense, to stick with 'em, tank like no other, and see what a top five pick and two years down the road brings.

[VooDoo7]

Was at work all day...any new rumblings on the Jennings front? Any BuckPack morsels??

Nope and nope unfortunately.

Dang. Thanks.

[theFireBlanket]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg3aZLw6Thg[/youtube]

[MrPerfect1]

Someone should tell Jennings, instead of workout vids, how about vids of him learning how to make layups and not take fadeaway 22 foot jump shots

[blazza18]

I can't believe Hammonds only made two bad moves. TWO.

[VooDoo7]

^That video is hilarious.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

That's the least inspiring workout video I have ever seen. Why not just show him shooting a 1000 jumpers with real quick shots. Hell, use 10 cameras and replay each twice so he really only has to shoot a 100 if that is too much.

[Asher]

I wish this didn't exist. Unfortunately it is part of any tight knit message board. I joined these things in spring of 2002 when a few guys were posting about how great Glenn Robinson was. Talked about how he needed his number retired, best Bucks SF ever, etc. I came in to mention that we had guys including Marques, Dandridge, Cummings and even Pressey who I though were better than Glenn. (That's how/why I took the screen name I did). Basically my comments started off a riot among the regulars who started hammering me.

So for new guys out there, you have to ease your way into the board. Don't start tons of new threads, don't pick fights with guys with high post counts. Just work your name into the conversation over a period of months, not days. And interestingly enough, suddenly you become a regular with "cred"

I've been lurking since around the time you joined and one of the reasons I never felt like posting was exactly because of what you've described. The regulars just hammer the newbies if they don't agree with them.

However, starting a bunch of new threads and posting absolutes before they really ever get their feet wet on this board will definitely not help the situation.

i tend to stay quiet about personal opinions on personnel and such since anyone who doesn't agree with you immediately attacks like a nurse in silent hill. the board is full of alot of information, and alot of times new people aren't aware of alot of it, and are instantly labeled as stupid. it's the personal nature of it that sucks though---there's no need to say 'you're a ******** moron' or 'that trade idea is a steaming pile of horse ****'---whether the poster has ten posts or ten thousand. it's so completely unnecessary, and it really drags down what, at its core, is the most informed and funny basketball forum on the entire site. mods, i wish you'd police the profane personal attacks a little more.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Man, I almost don't even care if we resign Jennings at this point, I just want to know what's happening.

[UWM_Brew_Buck]

Was at work all day...any new rumblings on the Jennings front? Any BuckPack morsels??

Nope and nope unfortunately.

Dang. Thanks.

Hearing news from BP is great but I'd love to see us go into this season with the current roster and a lot of cap room. The stealth tank would be nice but not making a terrible win now move would be the best part.

[mcfromage]

I, too, lurk for hours each day (Personally, my favorite times on the message board are during free agency, pre- and post-draft and around the trade deadline). I'm so tired of the goal year in and year out being to reach the playoffs. It's excruciating as a fan. My prescription:

As for Brandon, I'm all for cutting ties. Ideally we could pull off a S&T for a young asset (no way it winds up being a 2014 lottery pick) and an expiring, or at least the expiring. At this point, BJ's proven he doesn't want to be in Milwaukee, so regardless of what we lose with him on the floor (he is the best remaining free agent PG), he'd just poison the impressionable minds of Henson, Sanders and 'Bo. I don't see him playing a minute for the Bucks if he accepts the QO.

This season is best spent simply developing our young talent, which Larry Drew demonstrates an interest in by going to Estonia to see 'Bo. Skiles was notorious for ignoring rookies, but it's nice to see this coaching staff excited about developing a young player (e.g., Teague came a long way with NVE and Drew at the helm).

But that doesn't mean we're tapping our young guys as franchise players either. None of 'em are go-to players, they're pieces to a team and the only way for the Bucks to acquire a franchise player to rely on each game is through the draft. Free agency requires us to overpay in our small market for second tier or worse players--it hasn't gotten us very far.

Let's cash it in this year, show off our young guys and put ourselves in a position to sell high on our young talent to acquire pieces at the deadline (Sanders), or, if it makes sense, to stick with 'em, tank like no other, and see what a top five pick and two years down the road brings.

Any inside info Andrew?

[Andrewoc83]

Any inside info Andrew?

Negatory. All eyes on BuckPack.

[paulpressey25]

Any inside info Andrew?

Negatory. All eyes on BuckPack.

This week is the ten year anniversary of you telling us George Karl was going to be fired. Man does time fly doesn't it?

[Andrewoc83]

Any inside info Andrew?

Negatory. All eyes on BuckPack.

This week is the ten year anniversary of you telling us George Karl was going to be fired. Man does time fly doesn't it?

Wow! Didn't realize it's been that long.

[raferfenix]

So we get into arguments over whether or not Giannis is a future superstar. That's way too much weight to put on the 15th overall pick, and we all intellectually know that, but we also know that hitting that scratch-off is the only way out of this hole.

Again this expectations thing I put back on the Bucks. If you have a poor roster and poor results, but keep touting your mid-first round picks as future core building blocks, it isn't fair to those players. And it isn't fair to the casual fans who initially buy into the crap that guys picked in the 10-20 range are going to be core top three type players on a 50-win team.

And doesn't this explain this disaster of the Brandon Jennings era here completely?

Skiles loved him. So we gave the 10th pick -- who you can even argue was a reach that high -- a starting position and even face of the franchise status almost from the outset.

We played into the absolute worst elements of his irrational confidence.

Derek Fisher is the best comparison I have heard for Jennings. The best thing that could ever happen for Brandon would be if he took less money to play for a contender, but regrettably, he doesn't seem to have Fisher's character.

Jennings is going for where he thinks he will make the most money and have the best shot at making the All Star team. There was a time when it seemed like he cared about winning more than everything, but with how he quit on the team two years in a row after missing the All Star game due to his poor play...well...any self-respecting franchise would have long since cut ties.

If Drew is getting disproportionate love for being the new guy and that is the only reason for the 180 degree turn on keeping Brandon Jennings, at the least it means that we will move on from this profoundly depressing period of Bucks history.

[buckboy]

That was a terrible move, along with the signing of Gooden, I feel hammond has made two terrible moves.

-Maggette
-Gooden
-RJ
-Potsie
-The Ultimate Teammate
-Redick
-Gooden
-Dalembert
-Primoz Brezec + Royal Ivey
-Monta over Curry
-Keeping Redd

Two? Seriously?

How can you say any of those are terrible, none have a long term effect other then the Tobes and Gooden moves.

Please stop thinking we had our choice between Curry and Monta. They had their choice of who they wanted to give us, almost gave us Curry because of his ankles, but decided to keep him.

We know Duke is Jim, who is this guy?

[SkilesTheLimit]

-Maggette
-Gooden
-RJ
-Potsie
-The Ultimate Teammate
-Redick
-Gooden
-Dalembert
-Primoz Brezec + Royal Ivey
-Monta over Curry
-Keeping Redd

Two? Seriously?

How can you say any of those are terrible, none have a long term effect other then the Tobes and Gooden moves.

Please stop thinking we had our choice between Curry and Monta. They had their choice of who they wanted to give us, almost gave us Curry because of his ankles, but decided to keep him.

We know Duke is Jim, who is this guy?

Nick Monroe? I'm sure he lurks here and/or posts, knowing he's always on social media. Nobody else can be this delusional. He's a ticket sales/retention guy who's trying to sell a product that is hot garbage.