Rapper Nelly goes in on Kobe & defends Dwight

[Jetset]

Like, I just can't believe there's a 4 page thread on something Nelly said. This thread itself is longer than his career.

[leeprettyp]

Damn they really dogged DH12 at the Espy's

[leeprettyp]

LMAOOOO THEY CLOWNED DWIGHT AT THE ESPY'S


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gsiz-FDgJ3M

[Jeffster81]

The Justin Bieber of rap is defending the NBA's biggest wussy. Sounds about right.

[Kilroy]

Hell Biebs has had more than one hit... And is an actual fan of Basketball...

[leeprettyp]

Don’t think D’Antoni hasn’t noticed. From the Los Angeles Daily News:
In fact, D'Antoni noticed a bit of irony in Howard choosing Houston, considering the Rockets run an offense every bit as wide open as the one D'Antoni prefers and the one Howard resisted conforming to last year.
"The thing that cracks me up is Houston, they do the exact same thing," D'Antoni said, laughing. "And so (Howard) is gonna go to Houston? OK, so did they talk about change there? Don't tell me that it's that different."
D'Antoni wishes Howard well, but does think he needs to accept what makes him a special player rather than envision himself as something he isn't yet and may never be.
"He's a force and he can be really, really good and dominate the league," D'Antoni said. "But it's in an area that he's not loving right now. He wants to dominate a different way, in the low post and all that. But he needs to get better there, and he will. But his greatness is in defense and being a physical force. I think he'd be better served if he embraces that.
"But he's good."

[Jetset]

Lee, you may be the only person left on this board that still cares about Dwight.

[leeprettyp]

Lee, you may be the only person left on this board that still cares about Dwight.

My bad thought it was interesting to finally read Mike Dantoni quoted about the situation

[Asianiac_24]

Kobe will definitely not get paid next season what he's getting paid this season... But people won't be happy unless he takes the Vet Min...

Kobe should shoot first until someone else on the team can consistently score more effectively than him...
(That definitely wasn't Howard.)

No offense, but this is the sort of comment that makes me scratch my head at some of the Laker fans.

Did you just type those words? Really?

Kobe more effective scorer? than Dwight? than anyone else on the Lakers?

I won't even touch Pau Gasol or anyone else. Just know that Dwight is a 57% career FG shooter. That is more effective scorer than Kobe. Kobe is a volume shooter. Go take a look at Kobe's career FG%. Or even the 2012-2013 season for Dwight and Kobe.

Did you really just type those words? Again, I won't even touch Pau Gasol's efficiency.

I mean, really. You sit there and crap on Dwight's offensive game, when he makes more shots than he misses. Meanwhile, Kobe misses more shots than he makes.

Yet Kobe is the more effective scorer?

Except Kobe and Dwight are both at 57 TS%, which accounts for 3-point shooting, free throws, and such. Only an idiot would only use FG% as a measure of efficiency. Kobe does it on much higher volume with heavier minutes too.

[dAdo dA dEvil]

Kobe will definitely not get paid next season what he's getting paid this season... But people won't be happy unless he takes the Vet Min...

Kobe should shoot first until someone else on the team can consistently score more effectively than him...
(That definitely wasn't Howard.)

No offense, but this is the sort of comment that makes me scratch my head at some of the Laker fans.

Did you just type those words? Really?

Kobe more effective scorer? than Dwight? than anyone else on the Lakers?

I won't even touch Pau Gasol or anyone else. Just know that Dwight is a 57% career FG shooter. That is more effective scorer than Kobe. Kobe is a volume shooter. Go take a look at Kobe's career FG%. Or even the 2012-2013 season for Dwight and Kobe.

Did you really just type those words? Again, I won't even touch Pau Gasol's efficiency.

I mean, really. You sit there and crap on Dwight's offensive game, when he makes more shots than he misses. Meanwhile, Kobe misses more shots than he makes.

Yet Kobe is the more effective scorer?

Except Kobe and Dwight are both at 57 TS%, which accounts for 3-point shooting, free throws, and such. Only an idiot would only use FG% as a measure of efficiency. Kobe does it on much higher volume with heavier minutes too.

Only would only use FG% as a measure of efficiency.
StrengthNHonor used FG% as a measure of efficiency.
Therefore StrengthNHonor ..

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

TS percentage is a flawed stat.

It gives more importance to 3pt shots because they are worth 3pts instead of 2, but the problem is, it ignores that you missed more shots.

So someone that goes 2/6 from 3pt, and someone who goes 3/6 from 2pt, are the same according to TS%, which is completely wrong.

Why?

Because the guy who went 2/6 missed an extra shot. That means it's an extra failed possession on offense. And a longer rebound, and long rebounds have a higher chance of turning into fast break points for the opponent. A made shot (the guy who went 3/6) allows 1 extra possession of your team being able to go back and set the defense as the opponent has to inbound the ball.

It gets even worse when you make the sample size bigger. A guy who goes 12/24 from 2pt, and a guy who goes 8/24 from 3pt.........that's 4 extra failed possessions.

And I didn't even mention the team morale and psychological advantage you get when a guy is shooting well vs a guy who is not shooting well but drained some 3pters. The points might be the same, but the more successful player is making his team feel good and that their buckets are going in more than the 3pt guy, and it frustrates opposing defenses as they watch a guy shoot well, vs a guy go 8/24 from 3pt.

It also improves team defense to be able to have 4 extra instances where your defense is set and ready.

3/6 has more successful offense.

[leeprettyp]

The 3pt shot is a further out on the court making it a lower percentage shot. I just dont agree with your logic at all right now. Me personally would give more credience to the TS% sytem

[ak7]

TS percentage is a flawed stat.

It gives more importance to 3pt shots because they are worth 3pts instead of 2, but the problem is, it ignores that you missed more shots.

So someone that goes 2/6 from 3pt, and someone who goes 3/6 from 2pt, are the same according to TS%, which is completely wrong.

Why?

Because the guy who went 2/6 missed an extra shot. That means it's an extra failed possession on offense. And a longer rebound, and long rebounds have a higher chance of turning into fast break points for the opponent. A made shot (the guy who went 3/6) allows 1 extra possession of your team being able to go back and set the defense as the opponent has to inbound the ball.

It gets even worse when you make the sample size bigger. A guy who goes 12/24 from 2pt, and a guy who goes 8/24 from 3pt.........that's 4 extra failed possessions.

And I didn't even mention the team morale and psychological advantage you get when a guy is shooting well vs a guy who is not shooting well but drained some 3pters. The points might be the same, but the more successful player is making his team feel good and that their buckets are going in more than the 3pt guy, and it frustrates opposing defenses as they watch a guy shoot well, vs a guy go 8/24 from 3pt.

It also improves team defense to be able to have 4 extra instances where your defense is set and ready.

3/6 has more successful offense.

Kobe OWS(Offensive Win Share): 8.4
Dwight OWS: 2.8

Kobe ORTG(Offense Rating): 112
Dwight ORTG: 105

Kobe TOV%(TO's per 100 plays): 13.3
Dwight: 16.6

I find it completely laughable that you are saying Dwight is more "effective" because he has a higher FG%. You are essentially saying DeAndre Jordan (63%) is a more effective player than LeBron James (56%). To further hammer home my point, you are saying JaVale McGee (57%) is a more effective player than LeBron James (56%).

If you need anymore proof as to why your argument is actually flawed, go look at the FG% leaders of last season. There is one SG in the top 50 and that's Dwyane Wade. DeAndre Jordan has a higher FG% (63%) than Tim Duncan (50%), so you're telling me DeAndre Jordan is a more effective scorer than Tim Duncan?

[KB24TBOTB]

TS percentage is a flawed stat.

It gives more importance to 3pt shots because they are worth 3pts instead of 2, but the problem is, it ignores that you missed more shots.

So someone that goes 2/6 from 3pt, and someone who goes 3/6 from 2pt, are the same according to TS%, which is completely wrong.

Why?

Because the guy who went 2/6 missed an extra shot. That means it's an extra failed possession on offense. And a longer rebound, and long rebounds have a higher chance of turning into fast break points for the opponent. A made shot (the guy who went 3/6) allows 1 extra possession of your team being able to go back and set the defense as the opponent has to inbound the ball.

It gets even worse when you make the sample size bigger. A guy who goes 12/24 from 2pt, and a guy who goes 8/24 from 3pt.........that's 4 extra failed possessions.

And I didn't even mention the team morale and psychological advantage you get when a guy is shooting well vs a guy who is not shooting well but drained some 3pters. The points might be the same, but the more successful player is making his team feel good and that their buckets are going in more than the 3pt guy, and it frustrates opposing defenses as they watch a guy shoot well, vs a guy go 8/24 from 3pt.

It also improves team defense to be able to have 4 extra instances where your defense is set and ready.

3/6 has more successful offense.

Kobe OWS(Offensive Win Share): 8.4
Dwight OWS: 2.8

Kobe ORTG(Offense Rating): 112
Dwight ORTG: 105

Kobe TOV%(TO's per 100 plays): 13.3
Dwight: 16.6

I find it completely laughable that you are saying Dwight is more "effective" because he has a higher FG%. You are essentially saying DeAndre Jordan (63%) is a more effective player than LeBron James (56%). To further hammer home my point, you are saying JaVale McGee (57%) is a more effective player than LeBron James (56%).

If you need anymore proof as to why your argument is actually flawed, go look at the FG% leaders of last season. There is one SG in the top 50 and that's Dwyane Wade. DeAndre Jordan has a higher FG% (63%) than Tim Duncan (50%), so you're telling me DeAndre Jordan is a more effective scorer than Tim Duncan?

Dude ignore StrengthNHonor, have the time the dude doesn't know what he's talking about. He rides Lebron hard and hates Kobe, there is nothing more to the dude.

[Kilroy]

I think we've gone as far with this thread as necessary... It should have been a goof...