Contest: Trade Stuckey & Jerebko for a SG

[jaredtyshaf]

JJ makes 21 mil next year, 23 - 2014/15 and almost 25 mil 2015/16 it would cripple any finanical flexibility the Pistons have. Its in fact one of the worst contracts in the league and JJ got a lot worse the last couple of seasons, no try again.

Reggie Jackson is on a very cheap rookie contract for the next two seasons on a championchip team. There is a reason why they moved Harden, because they coudnt afford to pay him without going into luxtax. He is the no.1 replacement for Harden i doubt he is available, maybe if we take on Perkins. only possibility.

Eric Gordon Games played:
08/09: 78
09/10: 62
10/11: 56
11/12: 9
12/13: 42

14-15 mil for the next 3 years is too much for this injury prone player

We have a very good track record with revitalizing injury prone players. And players have had bad luck with injuries after leaving us.

Don't underestimate our training staff!

A healthy Eric Gordon is exactly the type of player we need to round out this roster.

PG: Billups/Knight
SG: Gordon/Knight/KCP
SF: J. Smith/Singler/KCP
PF: Monroe/Smith/Mitchell
C: Dre/Monroe

Thats a great team when healthy.

[MrBigShot]

Stuckey for Dragic straight up. Phoenix has a bunch of PGs all of the sudden (Bledsoe, Dragic and Marshall) and needs a 2 guard. BK moves back to the 2 and we get a PG who can run a team and shoot. Salaries match.

Knight can't play the 2 though. He's not a great scorer, and he gives up a size/strength advantage too often at the 2 guard position. We should stick to trying to let him be a scoring PG, with Mo Cheeks/Chauncey mentoring him. If that doesn't work out, he should be traded or made a sixth man, but he will not succeed as a starting 2 guard in this league.

[Pharaoh]

I seriously can't see Chauncey playing more than 20 minutes... and IMO we'll try to play him reduced minutes in order to keep him fresher for longer... his value increases significantly in the playoffs (assuming we get there)

Knight and Billups splitting all minutes at PG is the ideal way to go. Anytime Knight botches a play (or 10) you can sub him out and then have Billups run the same plays... giving a live demonstration so Knight can see where he went wrong right then and there.

Any clown can watch game tape. Any idiot can make plays in practice (cue Iverson rant)... but in-game situations can't be simulated... Billups can show and prove on a nightly basis and that can only help Knight

[HotelVitale]

The only way we have slightly above MLE money to spend in 2014 is if we don't max out Greg Monroe. If not, then Monroe will be making $14 million + next year and we won't have capspace unless its just slightly above MLE in the $6-$7 million range.

BL if we give Monroe a max contract offer than there will be no big name FA's coming next year... Best case we have $6-8 million in capspace after Monroe gets paid.

I'm not following these numbers. Seems to me that, picking up all options on rookie deals, starting Monroe at $12-3m, and assuming no trades of jj, Kyle, etc, we'd be at around $45-6m next year. Cap is around $58m, so we'd have a big chunk.

Am I missing something?

[DetroitPistons]

JJ makes 21 mil next year, 23 - 2014/15 and almost 25 mil 2015/16 it would cripple any finanical flexibility the Pistons have. Its in fact one of the worst contracts in the league and JJ got a lot worse the last couple of seasons, no try again.

Reggie Jackson is on a very cheap rookie contract for the next two seasons on a championchip team. There is a reason why they moved Harden, because they coudnt afford to pay him without going into luxtax. He is the no.1 replacement for Harden i doubt he is available, maybe if we take on Perkins. only possibility.

Eric Gordon Games played:
08/09: 78
09/10: 62
10/11: 56
11/12: 9
12/13: 42

14-15 mil for the next 3 years is too much for this injury prone player

We have a very good track record with revitalizing injury prone players. And players have had bad luck with injuries after leaving us.

Don't underestimate our training staff!

A healthy Eric Gordon is exactly the type of player we need to round out this roster.

PG: Billups/Knight
SG: Gordon/Knight/KCP
SF: J. Smith/Singler/KCP
PF: Monroe/Smith/Mitchell
C: Dre/Monroe

Thats a great team when healthy.

Gordon for expirings/picks/non-core players would be a dream come true. I wish NOP would be willing to salary dump him. That team would be top 4 in the east easily imo.

[No-Man]

Stuckey & Jerebko for Afflalo (3 years - 7,75 mil each year, last year player option) & Al Harrington (2 years -7.1 & 7.6 mil)

love this trade.. if Joe can make this happen that'd be awesome... I'd even throw in a future 2nd just to get Afflalo.. this could help the Magic go in full tank mode

Henningham got Tobias Harris and Lamb for a FA in Redick, who's worse than Afflalo... try again.

If Afflalo leaves, they'll get something good, at least a 1st.

[Dre Drummond]

The only way we have slightly above MLE money to spend in 2014 is if we don't max out Greg Monroe. If not, then Monroe will be making $14 million + next year and we won't have capspace unless its just slightly above MLE in the $6-$7 million range.

BL if we give Monroe a max contract offer than there will be no big name FA's coming next year... Best case we have $6-8 million in capspace after Monroe gets paid.

I'm not following these numbers. Seems to me that, picking up all options on rookie deals, starting Monroe at $12-3m, and assuming no trades of jj, Kyle, etc, we'd be at around $45-6m next year. Cap is around $58m, so we'd have a big chunk.

Am I missing something?

Someone will offer Greg the Max at 4 years if Detroit doesn't... unless he takes a step back this year. That puts Monroe starting at $14+ Million next year.

$14.5 Greg Monroe
$13.5 Josh Smith
Jonas Jerebko $4.5
Brandon Knight $3.5
Will Bynum $2.9
Andre Drummond $2.6
KCP $2.5
Billups $2.6
Luigi $1.75
Singler $1.1
Mitchell $1.0 (he hasn't signed yet so not sure if his salary will be guaranteed or not)
Middleteon $1.0 million (Not guaranteed so we have the option to waive him)

TOTAL 12 players $48 million so it actually does put us at $10 million or so in capspace.

That's assuming we swing no trades, and don't have a first round pick next year.... And that we renounce our rights to Stuckey, CV, and Krastov.


Looking at next years FA class hard to see who we would target with that money thought... Wall, Cousins, and George will surely be matched.... Guys like Kobe, Dirk, Duncan, Pierce, Pau Gasol will surely stay put or go to the top contending teams... Guys like Bosh, Wade, Melo, Lebron, aren't realistic. We'd pretty much be looking for SG or PG to add and I don't think 2014 Free Agency is the answer there. If Rudy Gay were to opt out wanting a long term deal or perhaps if you thought Danny Granger recovered nicely and can play SG.... Maybe someone like an Evan Turner or Isiah Thomas but I just don't see anyone on the list of 2014 Free Agents that seems realistic at PG or SG that we can bring in and use that $10 million on.

[HotelVitale]

Someone will offer Greg the Max at 4 years if Detroit doesn't...

Okay, with those estimates we'd have $10-11m. Cap is around $58.7m. I'm not sure Monroe gets the max-- plenty of guys at his level have taken a bit below-- but it's a reasonable assumption that he gets his $14m.

I wasn't trying to argue that someone or other should be our target, just didn't see how we shape up to only had MLE money next year.

[kurtis48239]

Gordon is 6"3 and 215lbs
knight is 6"3 and 189lbs
If knight can add 20lbs why couldnt knight play at sg.I just find it funny when people say he is to small or not strong enough (yes I know hes 25lbs lighter than gordon) but act like gordon is 6"6 230lbs,when in reality knight isnt to far off of gordons measurements.

[kurtis48239]

I would much rather take arron who is only 2 yrs older than gordon,isnt injury prone and their 12-13 stats are pretty much a wash.

[Warspite]

Monroes cap hold is higher than 14mil. So we would only have MLE type money to spend untill Monroe is signed. If you match Monroes contract the cap space wont free up untill after he is signed and that could be several days into FA. Not forgeting that most likely any team that goes after Monroe will poison pill the contract and front load it.

Yes the 10 mil is correct but it wont be 10 mil untill after FA is pretty much over. If Gores waits 10 days to match then there wont be much in FA left when the cap space is freed up anyway. Its a matter of timing.

[Pharaoh]

Monroes cap hold is higher than 14mil. So we would only have MLE type money to spend untill Monroe is signed. If you match Monroes contract the cap space wont free up untill after he is signed and that could be several days into FA. Not forgeting that most likely any team that goes after Monroe will poison pill the contract and front load it.

Yes the 10 mil is correct but it wont be 10 mil untill after FA is pretty much over. If Gores waits 10 days to match then there wont be much in FA left when the cap space is freed up anyway. Its a matter of timing.

Gores doesn't have 10 days to match it though... found this in an article about the differences between the old CBA and the new one:

Free agents and restricted free agency

• 2005 CBA: A cap hold of 150 percent to 300 percent continues to count against the team's cap for its free agents who have Bird rights or were first-round picks. A team has seven days to match an offer sheet to its restricted free agent. Qualifying offers to restricted free agents are based on the player's draft position.

• 2011 CBA: Cap holds are reduced for most players who have Bird rights or were first-round picks, and now range from 150 percent to 250 percent. Teams have three days to match an offer sheet to its restricted free agent. Players can qualify for a better qualifying offer by meeting certain criteria. High-drafted players might receive a lower qualifying offer by failing to meet the same criteria.

• Who benefits? The reduction in cap holds provides teams with additional cap room to spend on other team's free agents -- giving players slightly higher salaries and promoting player movement.

The reduction in the waiting period from seven days to three days is a big win for restricted free agents -- teams are often very hesitant to make offers to restricted free agents because they don't want to tie up the salary amount on their cap for an entire week while the other team makes up its mind whether to match.

The higher qualifying offers help ensure that lower-drafted players who become starters or regular rotation players receive a salary that is in line with their performance. Conversely, the lower qualifying offer for underperforming high draft picks helps protect teams. For instance, rather than submitting an $8.8 million offer to retain the rights to Greg Oden, Portland would be able to offer much less. In fact, I fully expect this to be nicknamed the "Greg Oden Rule."