Wizards Summer League 2013 - Mini Camp 8th Games July 13

[jivelikenice]

Little booker plays well...il keep an eye on him...

Vesley is looking like a different player...not jus summer league competition, but hid game jus looks different

Singleton is very capable of being a sefolosha...he has a high ceiling, he need to not limit his self... and work on tht 3pt

Singleton needs to go. If he were to play a stretch 4, theoretically he should be able to blow by defenders with his athleticism but his lack of handles and inconsistent J kill him. And the jumpshot will never be consistent because there's no arc. Its a line drive that hits front rim repeatedly.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The difference in playing time is fairly significant. Here are his numbers per 40 minutes:

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PER 40  2012    2013
GMS     5       4
MPG     23.5    27.1
REB     8.9     10.7
AST     2.4     2.6
STL     2.0     3.0
BLK     1.0     2.6
TOV     3.1     5.9
PTS     12.6    18.1


I'll see if I can take a bigger look at the team's summer league stats next week. Sample sizes are a major issue -- we're talking less than 150 minutes per summer league. A little better rebounding. Block and steal numbers are up -- maybe indicating more activity. Turnovers are WAY up, which means his overall efficiency is probably not much better even though he's shooting better from the floor and the FT line.

I'll take twice the turnovers because he's also got virtually the same ratio of blocks+steals to turnovers as before. He's increased his steals by 50% and his blocks by 160%. They mitigate his increased turnovers.

Vesely is playing all out. Turnovers are higher but I think his play is solidly better, because of his improved shooting. When factoring in blocks and steals with turnovers, I think he is being more efficient. He's also doing a fine job on the boards.

[LyricalRico]

Could some of the TO increase be related to the horrendous PG play so far?

[pancakes3]

I'm 99% sure it's just because of increased touches. However, at the same time it is a good sign that he's more aggressive.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Little booker plays well...il keep an eye on him...

Vesley is looking like a different player...not jus summer league competition, but hid game jus looks different

Singleton is very capable of being a sefolosha...he has a high ceiling, he need to not limit his self... and work on tht 3pt

I was thinking the same thing, Vesley looks like a different player. His game is way improved and he's playing with a chip on his shoulder. He knows this is a make or break season for him. If he doesn't play good then his time in the NBA might be over.

[jivelikenice]

Could some of the TO increase be related to the horrendous PG play so far?

PG play has been painful. Doesn't Ernie realize he never gets a good eval of his rooks because of their horrendous pg play year in and year out in Vegas?

[Dat2U]

The difference in playing time is fairly significant. Here are his numbers per 40 minutes:

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PER 40  2012    2013
GMS     5       4
MPG     23.5    27.1
REB     8.9     10.7
AST     2.4     2.6
STL     2.0     3.0
BLK     1.0     2.6
TOV     3.1     5.9
PTS     12.6    18.1


I'll see if I can take a bigger look at the team's summer league stats next week. Sample sizes are a major issue -- we're talking less than 150 minutes per summer league. A little better rebounding. Block and steal numbers are up -- maybe indicating more activity. Turnovers are WAY up, which means his overall efficiency is probably not much better even though he's shooting better from the floor and the FT line.

I'll take twice the turnovers because he's also got virtually the same ratio of blocks+steals to turnovers as before. He's increased his steals by 50% and his blocks by 160%. They mitigate his increased turnovers.

Vesely is playing all out. Turnovers are higher but I think his play is solidly better, because of his improved shooting. When factoring in blocks and steals with turnovers, I think he is being more efficient. He's also doing a fine job on the boards.

No he isn't. We've got destroyed on the boards and he's been a huge reason why. The New York game was a prime example. I've seen the same inconsistent effort I've always seen from Vesely.

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

[nate33]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

[jivelikenice]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

If a guy is afraid to go to the FT line and is shooting 30% when his form would indicate there's no good reason for him to shoot that poorly, I think its confidence - so I agree on him being mentally weak but I won't say its laziness. Do you see Singleton as being lazy? I don't....I just think he's too indecisive on the court and can't take the adjustments he's made to his shooting and use them in game action. I don't think its cause of a lack of work; just confusion over his role and lack of confidence on his part as well.

[Kanyewest]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

I actually think no offense but ok to solid defenders don't usually get a reputation for being lazy. I don't remember guys like Booker, Dominic McGuire or Jared Jeffries being called lazy. Guys who are below average defensively like Nick Young and Kwame Brown (was a good low post defender but his positioning as a team defender was sub par) get that label, rightly or wrongly.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

If a guy is afraid to go to the FT line and is shooting 30% when his form would indicate there's no good reason for him to shoot that poorly, I think its confidence - so I agree on him being mentally weak but I won't say its laziness. Do you see Singleton as being lazy? I don't....I just think he's too indecisive on the court and can't take the adjustments he's made to his shooting and use them in game action. I don't think its cause of a lack of work; just confusion over his role and lack of confidence on his part as well.

I think this, too. I think he's got guilt and feels unworthy of where he was selected. I think he's pressing and mentally very, very afraid. I think he probably has some other stuff going on unrelated to basketball that has affected his confidence. Dude is more scared than bum.

I also think he's going to prove you wrong, Dat. You were right and I was wrong about Pecherov. He ended up back in Europe. Vesely seems to want to do something now. I think he's spoken up, spoken against the coaching, and to me that's better than simply cowering in fear. He admitted to being afraid, which is a huge step up.

In this case, and it's about the only time, I don't have Wittman's back. I think this coaching staff is an abomination when it comes to having their young players' backs. Their jobs are on the line and all they care about is remaining in coaching. Vesely didn't ask for the trade that took place after his rookie season. The one that caused his role to shift. He wasn't the GM who very unwisely selected him sixth. I think the guy is called a bum because a bum of a GM (for the most part) picked him sixth.

I hope Vesely has a great season and proves people wrong because I don't see where he's a bad guy, a lazy bum, or anything but a scared player who lacks ability and more than that, who lacks confidence.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

I actually think no offense but ok to solid defenders don't usually get a reputation for being lazy. I don't remember guys like Booker, Dominic McGuire or Jared Jeffries being called lazy. Guys who are below average defensively like Nick Young and Kwame Brown (was a good low post defender but his positioning as a team defender was sub par) get that label, rightly or wrongly.

Vesely was a hustle player and a high IQ player his rookie season. He's not lazy IMO.

If he hasn't worked hard enough on his game in the past, I will say it took Wall years to figure out how to shoot a three. Was Wall lazy, too? I doubt it. Young player without confidence, that's what I think Vesely has been.

[nate33]

It may sound like an oxymoron, but I think Vesely is lazy, but with a high motor. He definitely plays hard when he is on the court, which gives the perception that he is a hard worker. But I think he's not working sufficiently hard in the offseason to improve on his game. I think he is coasting. It's the only explanation for his utter lack of improvement in every aspect of the game.

[Nivek]

There's a distinction to be made between "hustle" and the kind of laziness I think dat is talking about. What I think dat's referring to is the out-of-game work needed to build strength, improve conditioning and develop skills. During games (at least in his rookie year), Vesely was in decent shape, played hard, but lacked skill. In his 2nd season, his conditioning was worse, his skills were no better and he became timid and frightened of stuff like going to the FT line. But that fear was a result of not putting in the off-season work on his body and his game.

The real work for a player trying to improve happens in the off-season and in personal practice sessions. In-season team practices are generally game planning activities -- especially later in the season when guys start wearing down from the schedule.

[verbal8]

It may sound like an oxymoron, but I think Vesely is lazy, but with a high motor. He definitely plays hard when he is on the court, which gives the perception that he is a hard worker. But I think he's not working sufficiently hard in the offseason to improve on his game. I think he is coasting. It's the only explanation for his utter lack of improvement in every aspect of the game.

I think Allen Iverson may be your poster child for playing hard, but not preparing. Although his conditioning was good, his skills(3 point shooting is the most obvious) could probably have developed more over his career.

[dckingsfan]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

[Nivek]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

[nuposse04]

Kenny Kadji is on the cavs SL roster...unless they plan to have 3 stretch 4s on their roster I'd consider taking a look at him for our coveted stretch 4. He's got good size and vertical athleticism...just no upside. Dude is old as ****, as far as rookies go.

[80sballboy]

Personally, I think Vesely is a complete dog. I think he's lazy and mentally weak. IMO the only reason why no one is in a rush to challenge his work ethic or character is because he's a European player so instead he's classified as lacking confidence, playing scared or still struggling to adjust to the NBA. If Ves was African-American, rest assured he would have been classified as a lazy bum who's simply collecting a check, which I think he is.

I think there is a lot of truth to this.

I wouldn't say complete dog. Funny thing was we weren't complaining about the effort in his first season when he was diving on the floor, tipping the ball back off misses and taking charges. Then you heard a few (albeit ridiculous) Tom Chambers comparisons because of his size and jumping ability.

I think he's confused about what player he's supposed to be (a 3, 4 or 5) and yes he's incredibly mentally weak and soft as hell. He was definitely playing lazy on Wednesday and got his a-s-s benched. If that's true that he's listening to the Czech coaching staff, I wonder if he wouldn't become a better player with a different organization. Not sure about the skin color tag, but you might be right. I didn't see that laziness in the first year, but yes, it's crept in now but dog or no dog, considering we have zero height in the frontcourt after Nene and if he really is 7-1 or even 7 feet now and trying to play the post, I wouldn't give up on him yet.

[80sballboy]

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... e-patience

Just another opinion on SL.