Wizards Summer League 2013 - Mini Camp 8th Games July 13

[popper]

Kenny Kadji is on the cavs SL roster...unless they plan to have 3 stretch 4s on their roster I'd consider taking a look at him for our coveted stretch 4. He's got good size and vertical athleticism...just no upside. Dude is old as ****, as far as rookies go.

Good point. We should pick up the best big/stretch four after SL or after camp players are cut - assuming we don't make a trade beforehand. If we sign them for the minimum I don't think there's any cap ramifications and we have a slot open. If, later on in the year, we need a roster spot, we simply cut him.

[stevemcqueen1]

There's a distinction to be made between "hustle" and the kind of laziness I think dat is talking about. What I think dat's referring to is the out-of-game work needed to build strength, improve conditioning and develop skills. During games (at least in his rookie year), Vesely was in decent shape, played hard, but lacked skill. In his 2nd season, his conditioning was worse, his skills were no better and he became timid and frightened of stuff like going to the FT line. But that fear was a result of not putting in the off-season work on his body and his game.

The real work for a player trying to improve happens in the off-season and in personal practice sessions. In-season team practices are generally game planning activities -- especially later in the season when guys start wearing down from the schedule.

I disagree. I think Ves works on his game and his skills did improve. Remember last summer when he came in having rebuilt his shot and was draining jumpers? And he's clearly shown off some new offensive wrinkles in SL this year.

Ves's problems boil down to him never playing. He gets almost no PT and young players simply do not develop without it. He's being Darko'ed. Maybe that's unsatisfying and people want to look for deeper reasons to put the failure entirely on the player and not on our coach and team. Sometimes no one really fails, the player just didn't fit, the timing wasn't right, the team quickly stumbled into a much better option that they weren't counting on when they made the acquisition, etc.

Last year Ves reached a point where he might play one meaningful minute every four or five games, if that. If he gets in and makes a mistake, he might go weeks before he sees the floor again. No player, no matter who he is, can develop and build confidence in that situation. You have to understand your role and know what you can expect. You need to have the rope to mess up from time to time and not get buried on the bench or else you're going to be deathly afraid of missing shots and **** up every time you set foot on the floor. That's a poisonous situation.

Pulling players for missing shots is probably the single most counterproductive coaching decision you can make and Wittman does it.

And that situation was not unique to Vesely either. Same story with all of the young bigs. They rotated with each other in Wittman's doghouse, only getting out when someone else screwed up.

If you want an explanation for why our young bigs aren't developing and all of them have actually regressed, it's Wittman. It's his asinine rotations and lineup management. It was him hooking the bigs at the first bad play while letting the guards chuck away in 2011-2012, then putting them in the doghouse for months in 2012-2013 for god knows what reason as soon as he got Okafor and Nene.

He simply does not know how to develop them. They're not his guys and he's really not even trying to make it work with them. This is the same coach who stopped letting Kevin Love shoot threes remember. He just doesn't know what he's doing with young big men. He can only work with vets and can't miss young guys like Beal and Wall. Basically the guys that every coach can work with.

I think the only thing that's shielded Wittman from getting killed for the way he handles our struggling players is the fact that they're young and unproven and thus have few fans. We don't really know what they can do or what we've got with them. That and we haven't needed them to work out to make immediate progress because of the presence of Nene and Okafor, so people don't really care that they're failing.

But of course we're going to have to develop our own young big men eventually when Beal, Wall, and Porter are all on second contracts because we're not going to have the money to fix our mistakes with solid vet bigs any more. I expect Wittman to be long gone by then though.

[jivelikenice]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

Didnt Jan get hurt in the last game of SL last year? I thought i read where that imacted his workouts pre TC. And I do think its a confidence thing because he was making a few Js last year in SL too. He loses that confidence when he plays with the vets.

[Liverbird]

Agree with CCJ. I believe Vesely definitely has game but lacks the confidence and playing time to show it. He would be my first big off the bench this year. Play him with Wall and Nene or Maynor and Porter. He'll come good IMO if not with the Wizards.

[payitforward]

In honesty, from what we've seen in SL, I don't get how we can draw any conclusions about Vesely; I don't even see how we can get a hint of what he'll be like this year.

Probably the biggest thing that bothers me about him is that he hasn't worked on his English. He doesn't speak much more fluently than he did when he came into the league. I can't help thinking that maybe he just isn't really committed -- that he isn't really able to commit himself.

I remember David Blatt saying that Jan had no NBA game. He didn't have much hope for him. And Blatt liked Valenciunas a lot and Motiejunas as well. Nothing Jan has done in SL makes me think he's developed an NBA game -- and he himself says that's his problem. He's had two years to work on it; why is he still on page 1?

So, like the rest of you, I'm trying to psychoanalyze the guy -- despite having started this post saying there was no way to know anything.

Who needs a guy like that? I mean how's he going to improve enough that we'll want to work out something w/ him going forward.

[nate33]

Pulling players for missing shots is probably the single most counterproductive coaching decision you can make and Wittman does it.

Vesely wasn't pulled for missing shots. He shot 50% from the floor.

He was pulled because he was a crappy defender and rebounder who got tossed around like a rag doll and had to foul people to stop them. He was pulled because he averaged more fouls than points, rebounds or assists.

[Kanyewest]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

Didnt Jan get hurt in the last game of SL last year? I thought i read where that imacted his workouts pre TC. And I do think its a confidence thing because he was making a few Js last year in SL too. He loses that confidence when he plays with the vets.

Yup, Vesley hurt his achilles. He said in an interview that it hindered him from training as much in the offseason.

[jivelikenice]

Pulling players for missing shots is probably the single most counterproductive coaching decision you can make and Wittman does it.

Vesely wasn't pulled for missing shots. He shot 50% from the floor.

He was pulled because he was a crappy defender and rebounder who got tossed around like a rag doll and had to foul people to stop them. He was pulled because he averaged more fouls than points, rebounds or assists.

I think he was pulled equally for not looking to shoot and basically hiding on offense. I think everyone acknowledges he was awful last year but I'm not sure why ppl are in a rush to dismiss it being on confidence when the coaches and Jan himself have said as much.

[Knighthonor]

Jan vs Zeller?

Who is your pick based on SL alone?

[hands11]

Jan's "Dirk shot" looks good. Judging by the new form on his jump shot, I believe Vesely is capable of being a fundamentally-sound, good, free throw shooter.

Vesely just needs a little self-confidence. I think the beard works for him. (Funny, we suggested as much a while back.) Jan with confidence is a contributor. I would say the guy just needs faith that he belongs in the NBA, that he has worked extremely hard, and that his shot drops now.

I bet he's taken a ton of free throws to get that jumper right. That's really all one needs to do to get his shooting form down pat IMO. Jan has definitely put work on that shot. There's no reason why he can't at least be a 75% FT shooter.

He threw up an airball during the game today that was about 3 feet short of the basket. I seriously doubt he'll get to 75% from the line. Frankly, I'd be really surprised if he breaks 60%. But at least that's better than the 31% he shot last year.

His GF is a baller. She needs to slap him in the face and tell him he isn't getting any until he plays like a man. Maybe that will wake him up.

[hands11]

Jan's a worse shooter from the line than he would be taking a shot from the exact same spot in the flow of the game. He's not thinking when he's on the floor. Thinks too much when he gets to the line.

He's not in a great situation for him here. You build your confidence from seeing success. But to see success you have to get in games and play real minutes. You have to know you can get X number of minutes the next game even if you make mistakes.

Unfortunately for him, the coaches aren't going to give him that kind of rope here. We don't need him to play right now. And the coach is trying to get his next contract. Winning comes first, developing the marginal young players comes second. It sucks, but I don't see a solution. He's probably going to have to find a better situation somewhere else to develop.

Thats what I say. Just bad timing for him here. It would be ok if he was earning 2M on a 2-3 contract. Then he would have time.

Ves is a 2 to 3 year project from today. By then, he might be a player.

The match of Ves with where this team was wasn't good at all.

2nd. This is why I don't like project players. Key is, if you do go for one, they have to have a strong work ethic and a warrior mentality. I would rather have Crawford as a project. At least he believed in himself.

[dckingsfan]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

Yup - that would definitely be the counter-argument. But... cognitive dissonance has a way of "freezing" the individual into no action. It can create otherwise puzzling, irrational, and even destructive behavior. OK, I am going overboard because you would need to actually interview Jan to see if that is the case - but from the outside...

[sfam]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

I agree that Ves did not work on his game last year, and that this affected his confidence. The question now is if Ves worked on his game and body in this offseason (it looks like he has), is it too late for him to still make it in the NBA? We should get an answer to that fairly soon into the season. If he has the making of a jumper, raises his FT back over 60% and really hustles with confidence, he may be able to get regular minutes.

[Nivek]

I disagree. I think Ves works on his game and his skills did improve. Remember last summer when he came in having rebuilt his shot and was draining jumpers? And he's clearly shown off some new offensive wrinkles in SL this year.

I don't remember him draining jumpers with any regularity.

I'll take with a grain of salt new offensive wrinkles in summer league. It's nice and everything, but summer league means next to nothing. We need to see him do it against actual NBA competition.

Plus, IF he has put in work on his game THIS summer, that doesn't mean that he put in work on his game LAST summer. Which, of course, was the offseason I was talking about. I haven't seen him play a single NBA-level game since April to make a judgement whether he has put in the work to improve his body and his skills.

Ves's problems boil down to him never playing. He gets almost no PT and young players simply do not develop without it. He's being Darko'ed. Maybe that's unsatisfying and people want to look for deeper reasons to put the failure entirely on the player and not on our coach and team. Sometimes no one really fails, the player just didn't fit, the timing wasn't right, the team quickly stumbled into a much better option that they weren't counting on when they made the acquisition, etc.

This is simply wrong. Vesely played plenty of minutes when he was a rookie. Going by your Playing Time = Development theory, he should have been better in his second season. But, he came to training camp out of shape, played terrible and demonstrated that he was ready for a seat on the bench, not a spot in the lineup.

Last year Ves reached a point where he might play one meaningful minute every four or five games, if that. If he gets in and makes a mistake, he might go weeks before he sees the floor again. No player, no matter who he is, can develop and build confidence in that situation. You have to understand your role and know what you can expect. You need to have the rope to mess up from time to time and not get buried on the bench or else you're going to be deathly afraid of missing shots and **** up every time you set foot on the floor. That's a poisonous situation.

If you were a coach would you have trusted him in a meaningful situation? I wouldn't have. In the few minutes he got, he was awful. Despite your assertion to the contrary, Playing Time (or Playing Time + Knowing Your Role + Confidence) does not equal "development." If you have a player who's weak, out of shape and unskilled, it's really difficult to create a role for him. The first step in developing a player like that is for him to get stronger, get in shape and develop skills. That doesn't happen by some magical process merely from getting playing time.

Pulling players for missing shots is probably the single most counterproductive coaching decision you can make and Wittman does it.

It's not good to do. I don't remember Wittman doing it often. I do recall Wittman pulling players for TAKING bad shots, which is a smart thing for a coach to do.

And that situation was not unique to Vesely either. Same story with all of the young bigs. They rotated with each other in Wittman's doghouse, only getting out when someone else screwed up.

All of them played terrible basketball last year whenever they were in the game. Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton were three of the least productive players in the league last season. Wittman still found more than 3200 minutes for the trio -- more than 1700 minutes for Seraphin.

If you want an explanation for why our young bigs aren't developing and all of them have actually regressed, it's Wittman. It's his asinine rotations and lineup management. It was him hooking the bigs at the first bad play while letting the guards chuck away in 2011-2012, then putting them in the doghouse for months in 2012-2013 for god knows what reason as soon as he got Okafor and Nene.

He simply does not know how to develop them. They're not his guys and he's really not even trying to make it work with them. This is the same coach who stopped letting Kevin Love shoot threes remember. He just doesn't know what he's doing with young big men. He can only work with vets and can't miss young guys like Beal and Wall. Basically the guys that every coach can work with.

I think the only thing that's shielded Wittman from getting killed for the way he handles our struggling players is the fact that they're young and unproven and thus have few fans. We don't really know what they can do or what we've got with them. That and we haven't needed them to work out to make immediate progress because of the presence of Nene and Okafor, so people don't really care that they're failing.

But of course we're going to have to develop our own young big men eventually when Beal, Wall, and Porter are all on second contracts because we're not going to have the money to fix our mistakes with solid vet bigs any more. I expect Wittman to be long gone by then though.

This last part -- blame it on Wittman -- is kinda amusing. Last year, when Seraphin played a good stretch of basketball, Wittman was a GENIUS who had gotten through to Seraphin where Flip Saunders could not. When Vesely had his good run as a rookie, Wittman was a wonderful developmental coach. The players regress and suddenly Wittman is an incompetent fool.

And he REALLY had it in for Seraphin -- who was ONLY 4th on the team in total minutes. (By the way, Seraphin is an example of how playing time does not cause development. He got lots of minutes and was bad all year long.)

The team was desperate last season for competent play from any big man not named Okafor or Nene. The Wizards tried Seraphin all season -- he was the worst center in the league. At various times they tried Singleton and Vesely -- and they were among the league's least productive players. You can blame that on the coach not giving them "enough" playing time, but...well...people hold lots of erroneous beliefs.

If Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin want to be good NBA players, they need to put in the offseason work on their bodies, games and minds. If they do, they'll come to camp this year better prepared for the season and they'll earn additional playing time. At that point, playing time will aid their development because they'll get to use their newly developed skills in game situations. They'll start gaining real NBA experience.

[Nivek]

I think it is more about not having a plan and working to the plan. I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance where Jan thinks of himself as a wing and the Wiz think of him as a PF/C. The Comment where he bristles at bulking up is a tell-tale sign IMO.

That doesn't take into account shooting free throws. But it would take into account not working on post moves, not hitting the weights hard enough, etc.

If Vesely was a hard worker in the offseason who viewed himself as a wing, he'd have come back with improved ball handling and better shooting. Instead, he came back out of shape and without improvement in his skills.

I agree that Ves did not work on his game last year, and that this affected his confidence. The question now is if Ves worked on his game and body in this offseason (it looks like he has), is it too late for him to still make it in the NBA? We should get an answer to that fairly soon into the season. If he has the making of a jumper, raises his FT back over 60% and really hustles with confidence, he may be able to get regular minutes.

Definitely not too late. If last year (and last offseason) was really just a case of him being hurt, then an offseason of hard work can get him back on track. He's still young, and people are able to develop new skills at any age. It just takes longer as we get older. But, he's still just 23 years old. If he puts in the work, he could still make himself into at least a contributor in the NBA.

[Dat2U]

I'll be satisfied the day I see Seraphin, Vesely & Singleton off the roster. That means there's a chance that one or more of those roster spots might be filled by an actual NBA player who could contribute something positive to the team.

Vesely simply lacks the skill & work ethic to improve his skill level. There's no excuse him being out of shape with no sign of improvement whatsoever. I suspect unless Ernie pulls a shocker and extends him, next year will be his last season in the NBA. I suspect Vesely can't wait to get back overseas as well.

Seraphin lacks the IQ/awareness to be a consistent contributor. He also lacks the ideal length and doesn't have the motor to compensate for it which makes him a very poor rebounder. Some team will take a flier on him, but when your 287 lb center, and for your career you've rebounded like a 200 lb small forward, it probably doesn't bode well for your long term outlook.

Singleton is the guy I have the most sympathy for. Mainly because I feel he's just completely over-matched. He doesn't even have a chance out there most nights. He really lacks the length or strength to hold up at PF and he's only playing there because he doesn't have a chance at SF where his skill simply doesn't measure up. He's someone who would probably get more out his basketball career if he played overseas a la James Gist.

[DANNYLANDOVER]

I disagree. I think Ves works on his game and his skills did improve. Remember last summer when he came in having rebuilt his shot and was draining jumpers? And he's clearly shown off some new offensive wrinkles in SL this year.

I don't remember him draining jumpers with any regularity.

I'll take with a grain of salt new offensive wrinkles in summer league. It's nice and everything, but summer league means next to nothing. We need to see him do it against actual NBA competition.

Plus, IF he has put in work on his game THIS summer, that doesn't mean that he put in work on his game LAST summer. Which, of course, was the offseason I was talking about. I haven't seen him play a single NBA-level game to make a judgement whether he has put in the work to improve his body and his skills.

Ves's problems boil down to him never playing. He gets almost no PT and young players simply do not develop without it. He's being Darko'ed. Maybe that's unsatisfying and people want to look for deeper reasons to put the failure entirely on the player and not on our coach and team. Sometimes no one really fails, the player just didn't fit, the timing wasn't right, the team quickly stumbled into a much better option that they weren't counting on when they made the acquisition, etc.

This is simply wrong. Vesely played plenty of minutes when he was a rookie. Going by your Playing Time = Development theory, he should have been better in his second season. But, he came to training camp out of shape, played terrible and demonstrated that he was ready for a seat on the bench, not a spot in the lineup.

Last year Ves reached a point where he might play one meaningful minute every four or five games, if that. If he gets in and makes a mistake, he might go weeks before he sees the floor again. No player, no matter who he is, can develop and build confidence in that situation. You have to understand your role and know what you can expect. You need to have the rope to mess up from time to time and not get buried on the bench or else you're going to be deathly afraid of missing shots and **** up every time you set foot on the floor. That's a poisonous situation.

If you were a coach would you have trusted him in a meaningful situation? I wouldn't have. In the few minutes he got, he was awful. Despite your assertion to the contrary, Playing Time (or Playing Time + Knowing Your Role + Confidence) does not equal "development." If you have a player who's weak, out of shape and unskilled, it's really difficult to create a role for him. The first step in developing a player like that is for him to get stronger, get in shape and develop skills. That doesn't happen by some magical process merely from getting playing time.

Pulling players for missing shots is probably the single most counterproductive coaching decision you can make and Wittman does it.

It's not good to do. I don't remember Wittman doing it often. I do recall Wittman pulling players for TAKING bad shots, which is a smart thing for a coach to do.

And that situation was not unique to Vesely either. Same story with all of the young bigs. They rotated with each other in Wittman's doghouse, only getting out when someone else screwed up.

All of them played terrible basketball last year whenever they were in the game. Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton were three of the least productive players in the league last season. Wittman still found more than 3200 minutes for the trio -- more than 1700 minutes for Seraphin.

If you want an explanation for why our young bigs aren't developing and all of them have actually regressed, it's Wittman. It's his asinine rotations and lineup management. It was him hooking the bigs at the first bad play while letting the guards chuck away in 2011-2012, then putting them in the doghouse for months in 2012-2013 for god knows what reason as soon as he got Okafor and Nene.

He simply does not know how to develop them. They're not his guys and he's really not even trying to make it work with them. This is the same coach who stopped letting Kevin Love shoot threes remember. He just doesn't know what he's doing with young big men. He can only work with vets and can't miss young guys like Beal and Wall. Basically the guys that every coach can work with.

I think the only thing that's shielded Wittman from getting killed for the way he handles our struggling players is the fact that they're young and unproven and thus have few fans. We don't really know what they can do or what we've got with them. That and we haven't needed them to work out to make immediate progress because of the presence of Nene and Okafor, so people don't really care that they're failing.

But of course we're going to have to develop our own young big men eventually when Beal, Wall, and Porter are all on second contracts because we're not going to have the money to fix our mistakes with solid vet bigs any more. I expect Wittman to be long gone by then though.

This last part -- blame it on Wittman -- is kinda amusing. Last year, when Seraphin played a good stretch of basketball, Wittman was a GENIUS who had gotten through to Seraphin where Flip Saunders could not. When Vesely had his good run as a rookie, Wittman was a wonderful developmental coach. The players regress and suddenly Wittman is an incompetent fool.

And he REALLY had it in for Seraphin -- who was ONLY 4th on the team in total minutes. (By the way, Seraphin is an example of how playing time does not cause development. He got lots of minutes and was bad all year long.)

The team was desperate last season for competent play from any big man not named Okafor or Nene. The Wizards tried Seraphin all season -- he was the worst center in the league. At various times they tried Singleton and Vesely -- and they were among the league's least productive players. You can blame that on the coach not giving them "enough" playing time, but...well...people hold lots of erroneous beliefs.

If Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin want to be good NBA players, they need to put in the offseason work on their bodies, games and minds. If they do, they'll come to camp this year better prepared for the season and they'll earn additional playing time. At that point, playing time will aid their development because they'll get to use their newly developed skills in game situations. They'll start gaining real NBA experience.

Thank you Kev! I keep seeing posts on here rehashing this. However, most seem to forget that the Wizards are an NBA team, not a D-league team. Getting better happens in practices and in the off-season. If Seraphin, Vesely, and Singleton want to get more minutes, then they should be effective when given minutes. As for those who keep saying the Wizards were a bad situation for them to be drafted into, you realize Singleton and Vesely were starters in their rookie seasons? I can't name more than 2 teams in the entire league where they could have gotten more playing time. I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of watching tanking seasons, and that's exactly what will happen, if they get major playing time...assuming they play like they did last season.

[hands11]

Yeah, that train has left the station.

Again, Wall and Beal were the priority. Almost anyone could have gotten minutes on this team two years ago.

Last year, they committed to making things more stable for their picks, Beal, and their #1 pick Wall. That was the right commitment. Those were to the two top assets.

If that means they wasted a #6 on Ves, then so be it. Wall and Beal are more important. And as a result of that commitment to them, Otto will have to much better team to settle in with right from the start.

Ves, Singleton, Kevin and Booker..... They need to sink or swim by their own work and commitment. They all get paid lots of money. This is their job. That's all they need to focus on in their lives right now. Get it done and you can make millions more.

So hire a nutritionist, a sports physiologist, kick boxing, a shooting coach, a life coach... Do whatever you need to do. Get help. Then put in the effort.

Right now all of them should be putting in at a min 8 hr days doing multiple things on that list above.

Things is, I'm sure they are telling Ves what to do. Wit is no dummy. And they have other good coaches. This isn't rocket science. Ves needs to learn to use his hips, butt, arms, etc to establish position and rebound. That's job one. Every rebound is my rebound.

Second, he needs to start learning some post moves. Its not that complicated.

But if he is a mental wus, not sure what they can do to change that. Put some pads on and make him do Bull in the Ring. At some point you need to get him to take the challenge and fight back. Have him train with a Navy Seal or something.

[jivelikenice]

Is tonights game on tv?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Here's a link to the Wizard team stats and box scores of each Vegas SL game.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague/2013/teams/wizards/

Andrew Laurence out shot, out rebounded, and led Otto Porter in virtually every category in the same amount of minutes thru the first 4 games.
Glen Rice, Jr. shot 5-20 from 3PT.
Otto Porter shot just 9-30 (.300 FG).
Porter averages 6.3 points in 21 minutes, but Devin Booker averaged 8.0 points in 13 minutes.