Rank our starters by position

PetroNet · Post #1 » by **PetroNet** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:43 pm

Williams (4th): I have williams behind only Parker, Paul, and Rose(assuming only a minimal drop off). I fully expect williams to play like he did the second half of last season

Johnson(8th): I'd put him behind Kobe, Harden, Wade, Iggy, monte, ginobili. I also think he will be alot better with a new offense that focuses less on his iso's.

Pierce(11th): behind Lebron, Durant, Carmello, etc....

KG (6th): behind only the elite PF's Blake, Dirk, Duncan, etc...

Lopez(5th): Behind D12, Noah, Gasol, Cousins

BK nets BK · Post #2 » by **BK nets BK** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:40 pm

Lopez is better than cousins

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PetroNet · Post #3 » by **PetroNet** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:58 pm

BK nets BK wrote:Lopez is better than cousins

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i disagree but you could certainly make a case.

therealbig3 · Post #4 » by **therealbig3** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:59 pm

Deron Williams - 4th: I'd take Paul, Curry, and Westbrook over him. If he plays the full year like he did in the 2nd half of last year though, him and Curry are extremely debatable, and he's better than Westbrook.

Joe Johnson - 8th: I'd take Wade, Harden, Kobe, Klay, Iggy, Butler, and Manu over him. In terms of fit, tbh, there are a lot of players I'd actually take over him, but based on ability, he's easily top 10.

Paul Pierce - 5th: I'd take LeBron, Durant, Melo, and George over him. He's still better than guys like Deng and Kawhi.

Kevin Garnett - 5th: I'd take Griffin, LMA, Bosh, and Dirk over him. But that's only based on minutes...per minute, I'd still take KG #1 (note: I consider Duncan a C).

Brook Lopez - 4th: I'd take Howard, Gasol, and Duncan over him. Hibbert is arguable, but I'll go with Lopez with the homer pick. I'd take Noah over Brook if he could stay healthy, but he never is.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #5 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:48 pm

Paul, rose, Parker, Westbrook > deron.

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xMADEinDADEx · Post #6 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:53 pm

Actually.. Paul, Parker, rose, westy, and curry are better than dwill.
We will see this season if he will sustain his 2nd half performance from last year for the full season or not.

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vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:53 pm

PetroNet wrote:
BK nets BK wrote:Lopez is better than cousins

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i disagree but you could certainly make a case.

The burden of proof is on you, there isn't a stat or eye test anecdote out there that presents Cousins as better then Lopez.

vincecarter4pres · Post #8 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:55 pm

Noah SMMFH, this board disgusts me right now.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #9 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:59 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:Deron Williams - 4th: I'd take Paul, Curry, and Westbrook over him. If he plays the full year like he did in the 2nd half of last year though, him and Curry are extremely debatable, and he's better than Westbrook.

Joe Johnson - 8th: I'd take Wade, Harden, Kobe, Klay, Iggy, Butler, and Manu over him. In terms of fit, tbh, there are a lot of players I'd actually take over him, but based on ability, he's easily top 10.

Paul Pierce - 5th: I'd take LeBron, Durant, Melo, and George over him. He's still better than guys like Deng and Kawhi.

Kevin Garnett - 5th: I'd take Griffin, LMA, Bosh, and Dirk over him. But that's only based on minutes...per minute, I'd still take KG #1 (note: I consider Duncan a C).

Brook Lopez - 4th: I'd take Howard, Gasol, and Duncan over him. Hibbert is arguable, but I'll go with Lopez with the homer pick. I'd take Noah over Brook if he could stay healthy, but he never is.

Besides dwill, all other rankings are fine

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therealbig3 · Post #10 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:04 am

Rose is in no way better than D-Will until he proves otherwise. Parker, I get, but I don't agree...he's in a fantastic system with a fantastic coach and fantastic players. Put any other elite PG in there, and they'd look great too, better than Parker probably.

But back to Rose...the dude didn't even play last year. D-Will at his absolute worst last year was much better than Rose, simply because he could actually play. If D-Will still has to prove that he can sustain his top level of play...what the hell does that say about Rose, who has to come back from an ACL injury?

therealbig3 · Post #11 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:08 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:Noah SMMFH, this board disgusts me right now.

Stop acting like it's such a ridiculous opinion...a ton of people think Noah is better. Whether you want to admit it or not, he's one of the best defensive big men in the league. Offensively, no, he's not close to Lopez, but he kind of blows him out of the water as a defensive player, and he matches his impact off pure hustle and energy and heart, which Lopez doesn't match.

That's usually how big men impact a game...through defense. Lopez is a bit above average defensively, pretty inconsistent in general though, still has some bad and lazy habits, and he's still **** on the boards. Not really a stretch to say Noah is better when healthy.

vincecarter4pres · Post #12 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:14 am

Deron - 3rd - Only Chris Paul and Parker over him at the moment. Can understand the argument for Curry or a healthy Rose though, but I still take 2nd half Deron over them both.

JJ - 9th - I'd take Harden, Wade, Kobe, Manu, Wes Matthews, JJ Redick, Klay Thompson and Afflalolol over him and my money's on Beal overtaking him this year as well.

Pierce - 6xth - Lebron, Durant, Melo and Paul George all ahead of him. There's an argument for Iggy, Batum and healthy Granger are ahead of him. I'll take one random of those three.

Garnett - 6xth - LMA, Love, Dirk and Bosh ahead of him. I can dig the argument for Griffin and simply because they're close and KG cannot play a ton of minutes I'm leaning towards putting him over Garnett, same with Horford so I'll split the difference.

Lopez - 3rd(T) - Howard and Duncan over him. Have him tied for 3rd with Marc Gasol.

vincecarter4pres · Post #13 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:16 am

therealbig3 wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Noah SMMFH, this board disgusts me right now.

Stop acting like it's such a ridiculous opinion...a ton of people think Noah is better. Whether you want to admit it or not, he's one of the best defensive big men in the league. Offensively, no, he's not close to Lopez, but he kind of blows him out of the water as a defensive player, and he matches his impact off pure hustle and energy and heart, which Lopez doesn't match.

That's usually how big men impact a game...through defense. Lopez is a bit above average defensively, pretty inconsistent in general though, still has some bad and lazy habits, and he's still **** on the boards. Not really a stretch to say Noah is better when healthy.

It isn't an act, it's a dumb opinion, I'm disappointed you share it.

Pretty much ridiculous to put Noah ahead of Lopez.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #14 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:25 am

Wow..

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vincecarter4pres · Post #15 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:25 am

G-Menn wrote:Wow..

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Go away.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #16 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:27 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
G-Menn wrote:Wow..

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Go away.

No.

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vincecarter4pres · Post #17 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:30 am

G-Menn wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
G-Menn wrote:Wow..

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Go away.

No.

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This isn't the General Board, you're adding nothing to the discussion. You've quoted 3 different posts in a 12 post thread to reiterate the same thing and then post baiting one liners. You're clearly here to troll.

therealbig3 · Post #18 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:32 am

I'm disappointed you're being so close-minded right now, seriously. You can't even begin to imagine that someone whose game is pure hustle can actually have more impact than someone who has a lot of skill but doesn't have nearly the same motor or mobility on defense?

Yeah, the eye test is subjective as hell, but looking past the stats, I thought Noah was a monster in the 2nd half of the series against us, once he started feeling better with his foot. Thoroughly outplayed Lopez once he felt healthier.

And I'm not even saying Lopez won't potentially blow him out of the water this year because he'll finally be playing with a legit leader and elite talent at every position...but based on what we've seen so far, a healthy Noah definitely has an argument against Lopez.

xMADEinDADEx · Post #19 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:33 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
G-Menn wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Go away.

No.

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This isn't the General Board, you're adding nothing to the discussion. You've quoted 3 different posts in a 12 post thread to reiterate the same thing and then post baiting one liners. You're clearly here to troll.

No.

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xMADEinDADEx · Post #20 » by **xMADEinDADEx** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:34 am

therealbig3 wrote:I'm disappointed you're being so close-minded right now, seriously. You can't even begin to imagine that someone whose game is pure hustle can actually have more impact than someone who has a lot of skill but doesn't have nearly the same motor or mobility on defense?

Yeah, the eye test is subjective as hell, but looking past the stats, I thought Noah was a monster in the 2nd half of the series against us, once he started feeling better with his foot. Thoroughly outplayed Lopez once he felt healthier.

And I'm not even saying Lopez won't potentially blow him out of the water this year because he'll finally be playing with a legit leader and elite talent at every position...but based on what we've seen so far, a healthy Noah definitely has an argument against Lopez.

You're absolutely correct. Ignore him, his opinion about this issue is as silly as his assumption that I'm on here trolling.

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